Ludden: Pop asks Parker to shoot less

[gilmor]

hmm...are you really sure about that? Perhaps Spurs wouldn't play the way do today if Nash was running the offence. Also it is possible that if Parker lays out beautiful passes on a regular basis to an open player for layups or uncontested jumpers, are you saying the Spur player would either miss the layup or pass it again to a covered man?

basketball is baskeball. I do not think Pop ever told Parker to not find an open man for uncontested layups or wide-open jumpers. And it's not the Spurs system that is preventing Parker from doing his PG job. The fact is TP is just not very good at finding open man or freezing out defense to create shots for his teammates.

I like Tony..i think he works extremely hard and has a good at ude. But you would be a fool to completly ignore or be blinded by his obvious shortcomings even as he has shown so much potential and atheleticism in the past few years. His next level up is to get the jumper working and to CREATE and FIND open man so that he makes EVERYONE more effective, including himself. Numbers do not tell everything. Numbers on parker looks very good....unfortunately in my opinion, Parker does not play as effectively as his numbers tend to show.

I think you do not watch Spurs playing for the last 3-4 years. Spurs offense always begin with Tim. So even if Tony passes the ball to Tim and Tim got the points, Tony never gets the assist. Why? Tim normally will take a dribble or two at the post and then post up some defender before making his move, either to pass it to another open player or go to the hoops. That's the core of how Spurs play. So even if Nash were to come here, he will be instructed to do the same, and that's the reason why Nash is not playing for this team. The offenses in these 2 teams are totally different..

[ArgSpursFan]

I hope you're being sarcastic. The solution is not for Tony to shoot less, but to get SOMEONE, ANYONE more involved.

Again, for the fools that still don't get it, Pop didn't do this because Tony is a ballhog, but because we need to jumstart our team offense somehow.

It is basically equivalent to telling Manu to start on thebench, it's not because he sucks, but because our bench players are ing .

and Pop better be telling Barry if he passes on another open jumper he will put him in the inactive list.

Well,them tell me how ´d you get more people involved if there´s no ball movement and sharing?by getting offensive rebounds when tony misses a shot??

[cheguevara]

Parker doesn't pass to Beno Udrih...

damn ballhog

[SequSpur]

I think you do not watch Spurs playing for the last 3-4 years. Spurs offense always begin with Tim. So even if Tony passes the ball to Tim and Tim got the points, Tony never gets the assist. Why? Tim normally will take a dribble or two at the post and then post up some defender before making his move, either to pass it to another open player or go to the hoops. That's the core of how Spurs play. So even if Nash were to come here, he will be instructed to do the same, and that's the reason why Nash is not playing for this team. The offenses in these 2 teams are totally different..

Good point... The Spurs don't set screens, they run high low the whole game. Bowen is the new penetrator for the Spurs.. OMFG. Parker comes down the court, passes to bowen, back up to a big man up top for the entry pass... if nothing there... back to parker with a few seconds left to make something happen.... NICE! Pop is great.

[cheguevara]

Well,them tell me how ´d you get more people involved if there´s no ball movement and sharing?by getting offensive rebounds when tony misses a shot??

what part of 53% shooting don't u understand?

Yes it is a good idea to get ppl involved. but you are exagerating, you are making it seem like Finley, Barry, Horry have not had their opportunities. They were getting their shots, they were just not making them.

Now they will get even MORE opportunities. Let's see...

[ArgSpursFan]

Isn't this the NBA? The top of the mountain. The big chulo.

This team has the tools to compete for a championship and now they are worried about massaging confidence and productivity?

How many more times are they going to go to Bonner and Bowen for a game winner?

You win when you put the ball in the hands of your best player and right now that is Tony Parker. Let him in play and dictate the game now. Duncan has become a role player. Manu is usually out of control or watching from the sideline... The rest of these guys are unpredictable... the only allstar left and Pop is muzzling him. WTF? Can I be a writer? This is bull . Parker is the only reason I keep watching this puss team and now I have to watch him pass it for a clanker?

It's getting worse by the minute.

well,them hopefully when he gets traded we´ll stop reading your BS threads.

[ArgSpursFan]

what part of 53% shooting don't u understand?

Yes it is a good idea to get ppl involved. but you are exagerating, you are making it seem like Finley, Barry, Horry have not had their opportunities. They were getting their shots, they were just not making them.

Now they will get even MORE opportunities. Let's see...

What i´m trying to tell you is that,if he can get more people involved the team´s offense will become more unpredictible,like it used to,right now,they all know he is gonna try to panetrate all the ing time,so what they do is:they wait for him to make his move and them the collapse on him,that´s a no brainer even for the worse defensive team in this league to defende.

[1Parker1]

The issue is Tony "setting guys up" to get easier shots. The way he plays, guys don't get open looks a la Nash. Guys still have to creat there own shots.

Guys almost never have to create their own shots due to the Spurs offense. Double team Duncan, he passes out to the open guy, he shoots. Parker/Ginobili drives to the hole, draws defense in, they pass it out to the wide open perimeter shooter.

Because of the way Parker plays, guys DO get open looks. Difference is, Parker's passes aren't as nifty and numerous as Nash's so you don't see it as obviously. If you look at the game plan of ANY team we have played this season, guarantee the opposing coach will say that their main defensive goal is to stop the penetration of Tony Parker. He's one of the best (due to his quickness) of driving to the lane and getting in a tough layup or passing to the open man. Pop is simply telling him to pass it to the open man now instead of taking the layup.

It's not that often that guys like Finley, Barry, etc. have to create their own shots from the perimeter.

[itzsoweezee]

Guys almost never have to create their own shots due to the Spurs offense. Double team Duncan, he passes out to the open guy, he shoots. Parker/Ginobili drives to the hole, draws defense in, they pass it out to the wide open perimeter shooter.

Because of the way Parker plays, guys DO get open looks. Difference is, Parker's passes aren't as nifty and numerous as Nash's so you don't see it as obviously. If you look at the game plan of ANY team we have played this season, guarantee the opposing coach will say that their main defensive goal is to stop the penetration of Tony Parker. He's one of the best (due to his quickness) of driving to the lane and getting in a tough layup or passing to the open man. Pop is simply telling him to pass it to the open man now instead of taking the layup.

It's not that often that guys like Finley, Barry, etc. have to create their own shots from the perimeter.

you summed up the situation exactly.

[ChumpDumper]

Finley has been driving me crazy this season but if we arent getting a replacement we need to try and get something out of him, same goes for barry, udrih, etc.

If we aren't getting replacements for these guys, we're out in the first round no matter how man shots Tony takes.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

23 minutes off - not bad.

[ducks]

Perhaps Spurs wouldn't play the way do today if Nash was running the offence.


so you ae sayign the spurs would change the o with nash?
they would have to if nash would average 9 assist a game

[Cry Havoc]

Duncan has become a role player.

[1Parker1]

It's actually kind of true. In the Spurs losses, Duncan has more often than not played unaggresively, sloppy with TO's, and/or distracted by the refs. Role player can get away with that when the team is losing. I expect more from Duncan in those types of situations. Yesterday's game was a nice step towards the right direction for him though. Hitting his FT's getting that dunk and 1, etc.

[Cry Havoc]

It's actually kind of true. In the Spurs losses, Duncan has more often than not played unaggresively, sloppy with TO's, and/or distracted by the refs. Role player can get away with that when the team is losing. I expect more from Duncan in those types of situations. Yesterday's game was a nice step towards the right direction for him though. Hitting his FT's getting that dunk and 1, etc.

What you said means that Duncan is NOT a role player. If we lose because he's playing poorly, that means he's the one we go to. I've seen games where Parker or Ginobili have been ineffective throughout, and we still win. If Duncan has a bad game, we almost never win. Note the difference.

LOL @ 20-10 3.5 and 2 being a "role player". There are so many deluded, unappreciative Spurs fans out there. The media has even got YOU buying into the fact that if he doesn't make a lot of noise or have thunderous dunks (note your statement above), he's somehow less effective.

Unbelievable.

[exstatic]

Looks like Pop is trying to give Finley/Barry some more attempts to see which one he's going to go with when he shortens the rotation.

If Pop hasn't figured that one out, he never will. Mike Finley should never get shots at the expense of Tony. The shot chart should be, in order:

Tim
Tony
Manu - he plays fewer minutes
Barry - ditto
anyone else
ballboy
trainer
Finley

[Cry Havoc]

If Pop hasn't figured that one out, he never will. Mike Finley should never get shots at the expense of Tony. The shot chart should be, in order:

Tim
Tony
Manu - he plays fewer minutes
Barry - ditto
anyone else
ballboy
trainer
Finley

But Duncan is a ROLE player!!!! Don't you know that!?

[MannyIsGod]

I notice a lot of (stupid) people posting with green names in this thread.

Interesting.

There should be a test before you're allowed to register for the board.

[johnpaulwall21]

Duncan = GOAT he aint no role player

Why is everyone all over Finley and Parker? and of course no one even challenges or argues anything Ginobili does.... Bowen is the worst out there,everytime he goes in for a finger roll or a sky hook, im always saying to myself sh*t!!! He needs to just stay in the corners.

[johnpaulwall21]

i never noticed oh well

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

damn, last time I checked this thread was at page 2!

[exstatic]

Duncan = GOAT he aint no role player

Why is everyone all over Finley and Parker? and of course no one even challenges or argues anything Ginobili does.... Bowen is the worst out there,everytime he goes in for a finger roll or a sky hook, im always saying to myself sh*t!!! He needs to just stay in the corners.

player FG 3G
Manu .456 .414
Bowen .432 .444
Fin .370 .300

[johnpaulwall21]

why r u comparing manu to finley i never said finley was better than manu, and Im talking about when bowen drives it in,not his corner 3s. He either gets a turnover or hes highly contested.

[T Park]

Finley nailed some big shots, and key free throws yesterday.

Yet...

Whatever.

[SouthCompLikeWAH]

parker is a balla. we need to get some more raw ass players look in my new thread n see wat im talkin bout