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I´m sorry, i´m not into the Manu vs Tony thing, i was thinking more about last game in the 4 qtr.
Yeah that's already been proven with actual stats of shots hit in closing minutes of games that Tony hits a good share of clutch shots. But people don't want to believe it.
Either way, I really wish you all would get the off the Manu vs Tony thing.
I´m sorry, i´m not into the Manu vs Tony thing, i was thinking more about last game in the 4 qtr.
They should trade tony for a good solid point guard and an athletic 3..........
For Gasol? YES
Half the roster will be gone next year.... no need to trade any of the big 3 to improve the roster. The cap room will be there to sign them outright... should they want to be here of course.
D. Howard a Spur in '08????? The possibility is growing.
While I would agree that Ginobili's intangibles and court vision rate higher than Parker's... there's no way you can claim that Tony is a 1-dimensional player and that his BB-IQ is that distant from Ginobili's. His shot is much improved this year. Opposing coaches develop their game plan around limiting Parker's penetrations.
Our problem this year has not been Tony.... this is evidenced by the slump our team usually falls in when he is subbed out. Tony has been the most consistent Spur this year with the exception of maybe 3 or 4 games. I know Ginobili will bring it during the playoffs but the Spurs will no doubt require Tony's production.
The anti-Parker contingent in here (more like down in Argentina) is blinded by their fanaticism for Manu. It downright disgusts me.
The Spurs need both Manu and Parker to be successful. Can't you guys (and gals) simply lose the hate and appreciate the magnificent backcourt the Spurs are blessed to have?
There is no way Tony should be traded. I think Manu should be traded before Tony but neither one are going anywhere so this thread is stupid. Stupid!
I never denied Tony's importance during regular season or his contribution....I was pointing analysisis and numbers that debunked the Mav's fan statements.
First, not argentinian at all, I know Euroleague closely, that's why I know about former and current euroleague stars, like Ginobili or Scola.The anti-Parker contingent in here (more like down in Argentina) is blinded by their fanaticism for Manu. It downright disgusts me.
The Spurs need both Manu and Parker to be successful. Can't you guys (and gals) simply lose the hate and appreciate the magnificent backcourt the Spurs are blessed to have?
Second, If you've read former pages, I DIDN'T START the discussion, I ANSWERED to the Mavs fan stating that Tony was clearly the second best Spurs player and Manu was distant 3rd. I showed ARGUMENTS AND FACTS showing that Manu is far more important WHEN THE D IS HARDER, like in final quarters, important games or playoffs.
As a Spurs Fan, I have too much invested in Tony Parker, emotionally, to see him traded. Part of being a fan is watching your players develop. He has improved every season since 2002 and his shooting improvement this year has me very excited for the future.
The guy is tough, durable, and fearless. I think he's very close to being number one. On many nights, he is the best point guard in the game.
on many nights, steve nash is the best pg in the league.
More than half of the roster will be gone in '08, but as for next year....
Horry & Bonner contracts expire, and Oberto & Finley have player options to opt out of their contracts. At most that's 4 roster spots, though I doubt Oberto or Finley could garner more than the $2M or so they earn right now in the open market.
Blah blah blah. Go read the thread over and then tell me if you can pin this one on the Argentine contingent, as you call it. Fact is blaming us is the standard way of deflecting any argument that doesn't portray Tony on a good light, a catch-all for those uncomfortable situations your own countrymen are putting you in. Now, there may have been cases in the past where such excuse were pertinent, but this is not it: the most vocal participants in this discussion are not our own. So stop shrugging off any view that makes you uncomfortable by deflecting responsibility to your convenience on mere bystanders in the crash.
Trade tony for kirk hinrich and thabo sefolosha. That would be great!! tony is a great scorer, but he's never been a good decision maker.
no we need tony
but if we got nash
good news -)
Ok then,trade Tony.
But why do you think the other teams want him if he is a like the every here who are stating it?
Its nonesense.
And for the first who started this thread,you're saying yourself that parker has a name.
Why do you think he has a name then?
Why do you think he has been choosed all-star by all the respectable coaches who are not es for sure?
Then you're admitting yourself that tony is one of the best so it isn't a basketball question for sure.You're just a HATER(= )
Go masturbate my on eva longora
Young All Star PG's That have been to the finals twice and past the 1st round each year he's played don't get traded. Whether you want it to happen or not, IT AIN"T. SG come a dime a dozen and can be replaced a lot easier.
exactly what I'm saying,what you're saying,what all the REAL spursfans are saying.
Except the... es,the REAL es haters
Sorry, in my eyes, PGs are judged by their ability to get their teammates involved. TP doesnt do that. He drives, he finishes, hes awesome in that regard.
But hes not a consumate PG by any stretch. Hes a hybrid more suited to a SG than PG in my opinion.
I dont know why he doesnt drive and kick more, Im not Pop. But its all well and good that he can get to the rim at will, but that is not a catalyst for your teammates. Nor is all that good of a jump shooter. Or a 3pt shooter for that matter. So that makes him one-dimensional. Speed. Drive. Score. Thats it.
Maybe I put too much priority on such things. But to me, TP is one uva tradeable asset and should be treated as such. Hes still young, and I may just be wrong, but I would want and will always want a pass-first PG. Always. TP is 19th in the league in ASP, thats not good enough IMO.
Whatever. Your team. Your problems. The untouchables are only what you make them.
Read my username.....
I'm as big a Manu fan as any out there... that is no reason to bash Tony's game.
As for your assumption that my claim was based solely on the thread you are mistaken. The anti-Parker contingent is well known in the forum... I don't need to pick 'em out.
Agreed. And true. I just don't understand what some folks think he should be doing that he is NOT doing. The only thing I can fault Tony for, realistically, is that he gets into a -for-tat with other point guards when they score. he wants to get backand score himself evrytime another star point guard scores and he takes the sput=rs out of their offense soe=metimes when he does that. Other than that...the guys is second only to Steve Nash in his offensive stats this year, and plays defense WAY better than Nash evder thought of it. Tony is never going to have the sort of assist stats that some guards have because the Spurs are poor shooters, and because the Spurs' game is through Tim as much as Tony, and Tim REALLY slows down the offense when it goes through him.
I don't mind people expressing a negative opinion about Tony, but I do wish that they would give credit where credit is due...and he has a lot of credit due him.
I'm not assuming your views are derived from this thread, otherwise I'd have to deem your post delusional and not misplaced. But the point is, you dismissed this thread as blind Manu fanaticism by the anti-Parker contingent from Argentina, when there is hardly any Argentine participation at all in this particular thread. And since I as an Argentine don't appreciate the recurrent simplistic characterization, I ask of you, for future references, to wait until your claims are actually relevant to the topic at hand before pointing fingers. Thanks.
Fair enough... but if you look closely enough some Argentine posters are the only ones that seem to think Manu makes no mistakes whatsover and that Parker is the only one constantly making them. They can't see past Parker's mistakes and seem to hold a hypocritical stance when it comes to Manu's.
Does this apply to all Argentinians on the board? NO. And for future reference... that was never implied, nor did I state it as such...
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