Scola shines on Tau´s win vs. Pau Orthez

[AFBlue]

That brings me back to my point about Scola vs. Ely -- if Ely goes for about $3.5 million or less, the Spurs won't need to use exception money on him. Nor would they with Bonner. Nor would Ian. That frees them up to use that money on other positions.

Gotta admit Chump, this point did not get wasted on me. Provided the Spurs think Ely can give the production that Scola likely would, it does help that he's currently under contract and his future salary (if given another contract) would not count against the MLE.

Now you're speaking my language....opportunity cost. The cost would be giving up a better player IMO (Scola), but the benefit would be retaining the $3M the Spurs would've spent on Scola, therefore whatever player could be had with that money.

See, admitting that other posters have some merit in their points does not diminish the credibility of your own points. Unless you now think that I am somehow more stupid than I was when I first submitted my posts...

[ChumpDumper]

I knew that year was the rule for second round picks- but I though first round picks were guaranteed their contracts. Why did people make such a big deal then about the Spurs drafting Ian with a first round pick because they never have to bring him in either??

I don't know if they made that big of a deal out of it, but the difference is there is much less la ude for negotiation on both sides (within a few % of the scale amount) and it's much easier to retain a first rounder after the scale contract (at least it was at the time of that draft).

[ducks]

I knew that year was the rule for second round picks- but I though first round picks were guaranteed their contracts. Why did people make such a big deal then about the Spurs drafting Ian with a first round pick because they never have to bring him in either??

people expect first round draft picks to be studs like manu or parker

players in the first round draft pick are suppose to be better then later ones
people here want rings and nothing less

[AFBlue]

will scola be happy with 3?

spurs will see what they do in the playoffs and then see what the biggest needs are then
if it is rebounding
scola does not solve that problem
a trade for evans solves it better

There's nothing to suggest that Scola wants anymore than $3M per year in any article I've read. If you have more info, please enlighten me.

The Spurs do need rebounding. They also need a credible scorer with low-post skills to replace Duncan when he comes out...Scola fills that one.

A trade for Evans huh? And who do the Nuggets want in return? Also, did you happen to see how ineffective and God-awful Evans was on the offensive end the other night? Yikes...

[ducks]

the advantage of a first round draft pick is the player knows what he is going to make and even if spurs make him play overseason and blows up and becomes better he can only make what the rules say..................

[ChumpDumper]

Now you're speaking my language....opportunity cost. The cost would be giving up a better player IMO (Scola), but the benefit would be retaining the $3M the Spurs would've spent on Scola, therefore whatever player could be had with that money.

That's the sticking point. I don't know if Scola is any better than Ely in the NBA.

See, admitting that other posters have some merit in their points does not diminish the credibility of your own points. Unless you now think that I am somehow more stupid than I was when I first submitted my posts...

Never said you were stupid. You've brought up many good points -- I'm just not convinced Scola is going to be all that great.

[ducks]

There's nothing to suggest that Scola wants anymore than $3M per year in any article I've read. If you have more info, please enlighten me.

The Spurs do need rebounding. They also need a credible scorer with low-post skills to replace Duncan when he comes out...Scola fills that one.

A trade for Evans huh? And who do the Nuggets want in return? Also, did you happen to see how ineffective and God-awful Evans was on the offensive end the other night? Yikes...

I agree with that
I am for bringing him over at a decent cost
manu and scola OFF THE BENCH would be great

[ploto]

Oh, I know a reason to use a first round pick is that Ian's salary would be set-and really cheap. I just thought it meant that eventually they had to pay it. But I will trust that you are right and they never have to pay it. He is in no better position then than Scola with regards to having any say so about coming.

[AFBlue]

I know it's the case, but I'm still not sure I understand why...

Even though Scola is a draft pick of the Spurs, the salary he would receive would go against the MLE? I understand second rounders aren't given guaranteed contracts, but as the team has exclusivity to the player's rights, should that player in-effect be counted as already "on the team" therefore not count against the MLE?

I guess this goes back to all second rounders (to this point) only asking for min salary...which you can sign as many players as you want to without limit. Scola being the difference.

[ploto]

the advantage of a first round draft pick is the player knows what he is going to make

But apparently, he never may make it.

[ducks]

teams that pick players in the first round and not play them or sign them to contract will get have their scouts fired

[ChumpDumper]

I know it's the case, but I'm still not sure I understand why...

Even though Scola is a draft pick of the Spurs, the salary he would receive would go against the MLE? I understand second rounders aren't given guaranteed contracts, but as the team has exclusivity to the player's rights, should that player in-effect be counted as already "on the team" therefore not count against the MLE?

I guess this goes back to all second rounders (to this point) only asking for min salary...which you can sign as many players as you want to without limit. Scola being the difference.

Second rounders can be given any contract according to the cap space or exceptions a team has available to them. I only know of two second rounders who made the minimum: Manu (lower lever exception) and Lampe (part of the MLE).

[AFBlue]

That's the sticking point. I don't know if Scola is any better than Ely in the NBA.

Never said you were stupid. You've brought up many good points -- I'm just not convinced Scola is going to be all that great.

I'm not sure if he's going to be all that great either, but I cringe at the thought that a guy so dominant in the Euroleague is being compared to Melvin Ely, a 12th man type, in the NBA. Is the athleticism and talent gap between NBA frontline players and Euroleague frontline players really THAT huge?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not sure if he's going to be all that great either, but I cringe at the thought that a guy so dominant in the Euroleague is being compared to Melvin Ely, a 12th man type, in the NBA.

I compared him to Marcus Fizer since they play in the same league in Spain, and Scola was not substantially better.

Is the athleticism and talent gap between NBA frontline players and Euroleague frontline players really THAT huge?

Well, it's still pretty big.

[AFBlue]

I compared him to Marcus Fizer since they play in the same league in Spain, and Scola was not substantially better.Well, it's still pretty big.

Alright man, well I'm winding down (it's approaching midnight on the east coast), but I enjoyed the spirited debate. Even if we don't see eye-to-eye, I appreciate your input.

Bottom Line: I will revisit the Spurs off-season this fall and if Scola isn't on the team I won't be crushed (unlike Args), but I will be pissed if the Spurs do something of little value (like sign oldie Grant Hill for $3M) with the money that could've been used for Scola. If no Scola, then I want to see a decent backup PG (Knight?) and a young, athletic, long 3 that can rebound and play D (Travis Outlaw is the reasonable dream).

Goodnight bro...

[ChumpDumper]

Right now, it looks like the draft is light on point guard talent, so I'd look to draft PF and SF types while looking for a PG in free agency or through trades. Scola's rights might come in handy there.

[Mr. Body]

If I were Scola and the Spurs don't do anything with his rights this summer, I'd consider sitting out a year in order to jar away his rights to do anything he wants. He stands to probably make more money in the long term that way.

[ChumpDumper]

If I were Scola and the Spurs don't do anything with his rights this summer, I'd consider sitting out a year in order to jar away his rights to do anything he wants. He stands to probably make more money in the long term that way.

I think if his Euro contract ends soon, he'll probably make as much or a little more than he wants in the US anyway, and he can probably get a longer deal.

[ArgSpursFan]

Why should Scola deserve more than Manu when he entered the league? He was much more proven with far fewer questions about his adaptability to the game.

This is the only way he can get into the NBA. If he wants to blame it all on his buyout, why the did he sign such a horrible contract in the first place?

BTW, does anyone actually know what he's being paid in Spain? Everyone talks about all the money he'd be passing up, but the difference between what Euro stars make and what board posters think they make has been historically huge.

wrong
Scola is much more proven now with a gold medal and 2nd.place in Indianapolis and 4 rd place in Japan tham Manu was at the begining of 2002.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry dude, you overrate FIBA almost as much as you do Pau.

[ArgSpursFan]

Sorry dude, you overrate FIBA almost as much as you do Pau.

well,in Indi 2002 , Athens and Japan the US played with NBA talent.
Lebron,Carmelo,Jarmine,TD,Arenas,etc,etc,etc,
and they got busted.
yeap,you are right FIBA is ¨too overrated¨

[WalterBenitez]

FIBA > NBA under FIBA's rules

[ArgSpursFan]

FIBA > NBA under FIBA's rules

That´s what I´ve been trying to explain for over 8 pages in this thread.FIBA rules are complicated and keep players scoring and rebounding lower tham NBA rules.
The reason why is that NBA,was created as a show,and in order to be a show,it has to have big scoring games and has to be spectacular.
FIBA rules are more like the NCAA rules,they´re not the same but they look alike alot.
That´s why Scola and many other great FIBA players average less points and rebounds in Europe.

[ChumpDumper]

That´s why Scola and many other great FIBA players average less points and rebounds in Europe.

That's why Scola will be the #1 most productive rebounder in the NBA if he plays next season, right?

[ChumpDumper]

well,in Indi 2002 , Athens and Japan the US played with NBA talent.
Lebron,Carmelo,Jarmine,TD,Arenas,etc,etc,etc,
and they got busted.
yeap,you are right FIBA is ¨too overrated¨

Exactly, equating FIBA with the NBA is very overrated. It's a different game just as you said, and doing well in one doesn't mean you'll do well in the other.