Our big 3 vs Mavs big 3

[mavsfan1000]

This from someone who proclaimed Dirk>>>>>>>Kobe.

And if we are talking about who's had the better year than I'm right. Having a dominating big man is more important than a scoring guard.

[FromWayDowntown]

And if we are talking about who's had the better year than I'm right. Having a dominating big man is more important than a scoring guard.

Dirk doesn't always play the game like a big man, and rarely plays like a dominating big man (like Shaq or Duncan); he tends to play much more like a scoring guard, really. I'll give him that he's become a much better rebounder of late, and he is willing to go down on the block and try to defend bigs, but he's still not a defensive stopper of any sort and I don't think he'll ever be the sort of player who disrupts defenses by commanding double teams on the block.

Dirk is tall, but he's far from the sort of dominating big man who is prototypically the cornerstone of a contending franchise. That's not saying he isn't good, by the way. I still think that Dirk's greatness comes from the fact that he's unique, which makes him hideously difficult to defend and allows him plenty of opportunities to excel.

[mabber]

Dirk doesn't always play the game like a big man, and rarely plays like a dominating big man (like Shaq or Duncan); he tends to play much more like a scoring guard, really. I'll give him that he's become a much better rebounder of late, and he is willing to go down on the block and try to defend bigs, but he's still not a defensive stopper of any sort and I don't think he'll ever be the sort of player who disrupts defenses by commanding double teams on the block.

Dirk is tall, but he's far from the sort of dominating big man who is prototypically the cornerstone of a contending franchise. That's not saying he isn't good, by the way. I still think that Dirk's greatness comes from the fact that he's unique, which makes him hideously difficult to defend and allows him plenty of opportunities to excel.

But he's got the step aside and slap the ball out of your hands move down pat Karl Malone taught him well.

[Man of Steel]

The guys are chokers (cough Dirk).

Most famous trait: Getting all tense during clutch time.

Other similar traits: Kicking basketballs and helpless bikes in the way of their pathetic players guilty of the most massive meltdown in the history of sports.

The closest the Mavs will get to a ring: When they watch Tim, Tony Parker, Manu and MICHAEL FINLEY all holding up the trophy.

Oh--by the way--

Funniest thing Mark Cuban owns: A trophy case

[wildbill2u]

When the NBA championship is won by playing three on three, this thread will make some sense. Otherwise this is bull !

[Clutch20]

I believed defense wins championship... actually it is boringness
I learned one thing today

It's a sound-bite world we live in now. Reality dictates that the game be fast and furious because attention spans are getting really short.

Know anyone who's been to a museum lately? Paintings take a long time to make, stroke by stroke and look at the end result; masterpieces. They take quite a while to be created. Sound defensive strategies take a long time to be created also; they can help you win not only your battles, but the big wars also.

Your average fan will not want to sit through a game to take pride in noticing all the little things their team does to make points because that's potentially boring. The average fan wants a good solid lead as fast as possible and then an all out attempt by their team to keep that lead, as well as increase it.

But that's the state of the game today and those that do appreciate the nuances affectioning outcomes of games, like you and me, can take solace in the fact that, deep down, announcers and their ilk that are influential in the sports media really do not always agree with what comes out of their mouths as gospel, and off the record they do admit to feeling otherwise.

[itzsoweezee]

Talking terms of who has been the best player this decade, it is:

Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan.

nope, that list is only down to duncan and shaq. until kobe get's a finals mvp, he's not in the picture.

[mardigan]

nope, that list is only down to duncan and shaq. until kobe get's a finals mvp, he's not in the picture.

Thats re ed, just because Kobe played with Shaq who averaged at least 33 points in all 3 finals means that Kobe cant be in the discussion? Give me a break

[itzsoweezee]

Thats re ed, just because Kobe played with Shaq who averaged at least 33 points in all 3 finals means that Kobe cant be in the discussion? Give me a break

he can't be in the discussion b/c he's never led a team anywhere. stats are great, but he'd have nothing to show for them if he hadn't been shaq's sidekick.

[LEONARD]

I mean I know Dirk makes his jump shots, but please. Matt Bonner has more basketball moves than Dirk.

*adds to list of SpursDynasty / JeffDrums22 gems*

That's even if Dallas has enough left after Golden State in the first round and Utah in the second round. Dallas is 1-3 vs those teams this year.

Is GS still "officially" the 8th seed??

[spursreport]

too bad he dissapears when it matters most. thats the 1 reason why I will take Terry over Parker. Parker is as good or better than Terry in every area except shooting, and clutchness.

[TheTruth]

Yea, when you take the next 3, (Barry, Finley, Elson), vs there next 3 (Harris, Stack, Damp) there is no contest

damn, if only we lived with hindsight.

[The Go For 4]

Ok. Still, my question was, who made the big plays when they mattered most? Parker? Or Terry?

Who has rings? Parker or Carlton?

[Cry Havoc]

Spurs players do two things that are never remembered.

They play defense, and they PASS the ball insanely well.

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Manu
4. Finley
5. Horry
6. Oberto
----

Every single one of those players had a great playoff run this year. Even if they didn't score consistently (which is the only stat that people remember), they played hard defense and passed the ball insanely well. That's exactly how we beat Utah, who matched up on paper with us pretty well, but they just didn't have the teamwork.

1 through six, the Spurs play better defense and pass the ball as well as or better than the Mavs. It's that simple.

[michaelwcho]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but here is a statistical debunking of the belief that Stackhouse is a good player:

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2006/06/...he-nba-finals/


Basically, sure he has his moments, but taken as a whole, he is a black hole and does not help the team. Flashes of brilliance surrounded by workmanlike suckitude.

[Cry Havoc]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but here is a statistical debunking of the belief that Stackhouse is a good player:

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2006/06/...he-nba-finals/


Basically, sure he has his moments, but taken as a whole, he is a black hole and does not help the team. Flashes of brilliance surrounded by workmanlike suckitude.

And he plays HORRIBLE defense for a guy his size, with his wingspan.

[Leetonidas]

Lay off Stackhouse guys. Of course he's been under a lot of pressure lately. I mean playing basketball and staring in Cavemen on ABC? Talk about a load of work.

[41times]

Unfortunately you need more than 3 players to win a championship. In fact you need more than 6 players contributing to win a championship. Just Ask Phoenix, who's brilliant coach chooses not to give much playing time beyond 6 players.

And yes before you say the Mavs lost too, i realize that. But i am talking about teams that you guys played.

As far as the Spurs top 3 vs. the Mavs top 3.......that for me is a push.

Dirk vs. Duncan.....push
Jho vs. Ginobli.....edge JHo
Harris vs. Parker....edge Parker

The Next 3

Finley vs. Jett.....edge Jett
Horry vs Stack........edge Stack
Oberto vs. Damp.......push

The Spurs vs. the Mavs are just about dead even and it depends upon who plays above their normal game on any given day, that's who wins. That is why it is Always a great game when the 2 meet.

[thousandth]

Unfortunately you need more than 3 players to win a championship. In fact you need more than 6 players contributing to win a championship. Just Ask Phoenix, who's brilliant coach chooses not to give much playing time beyond 6 players.

And yes before you say the Mavs lost too, i realize that. But i am talking about teams that you guys played.

As far as the Spurs top 3 vs. the Mavs top 3.......that for me is a push.

Dirk vs. Duncan.....push
Jho vs. Ginobli.....edge JHo
Harris vs. Parker....edge Parker

The Next 3

Finley vs. Jett.....edge Jett
Horry vs Stack........edge Stack
Oberto vs. Damp.......push

The Spurs vs. the Mavs are just about dead even and it depends upon who plays above their normal game on any given day, that's who wins. That is why it is Always a great game when the 2 meet.

push?? Duncan?? Oberto?? C'mon, bro.
Fabrizzio played very well against Mavs in the games 2-3 and 4 in this regular season. 14-14-6 points 6-10-6 rebounds.
What's Damp's stuff? Ugly.
Duncan is Duncan, don't say a word!!!!!

[Sec24Row7]

Howard vs Ginobili edge Howard?

[smeagol]

Howard vs Ginobili edge Howard?

Man, every time I read Sec24Row7, my mind says "Scarecrow"

[Texas_Ranger]

Duncan > Dirk
Manu = Howard
Parker > Harris

Spurs 3 > Mavs 3

[thousandth]

Howard vs Ginobili edge Howard?

too.

Manu is GREAT.

[twilo73]

Yea, when you take the next 3, (Barry, Finley, Elson), vs there next 3 (Harris, Stack, Damp) there is no contest

That is why the Spurs should concentrate in bringing in Scola and Nocioni... are next three would be these two plus Finley... with Oberto rounding up the top 7 add a quality PG sub, and we have a strong team to three peat next year.

[ArgSpursFan]

may be there is a small edge for the Mavs big 3.I´m saying may be,but The spurs are a better all around and deeper team with a better and more experienced coach.