LMAO Raja Bell plays dirtier than 2 Bowens. just ask kobe.
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The reason Manu was on the ground in Amare's way was because Amare knocked him down with a moving screen. The ref didn't call that, so he wasn't going to call Manu impeding Amare either. That's why the ref threw his arms up in the air. Amare can't have it both ways.
Bowen and Bell are in the same territory but I think Bowen has pulled back from some of his stuff in the past. Bell seems to be warming up. Whereas Bowen gets in hidden little jabs, Bell is more likely to throw elbows at the end of a play, or foul someone excessively hard (or clothesline them).
I think the Suns are crying because they still don't have the confidence to beat the Spurs. Nash does but the rest of the team doesn't.
LMAO Raja Bell plays dirtier than 2 Bowens. just ask kobe.
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After a 20 point blowout they don't have confidence? You have some serious delusions of grandeur.
I don't think too many teams that are in line to win a championship lose a game in that fashion and not have their confidence blown just a bit. I don't know the stats on it but I would venture to say that there aren't too many teams that have won a champoinship as of late that get blown out by 20 pts in a game either.
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It did look like Bowen was trying to accomplish something by sticking his leg out like that, but I don't think it's worthy of any sort of suspension or fine. The ref probably should have caught it when it happened, but there's not much you can do about it now.
Unless I see the play from a better angle showing Bowen with the intent of harming Amare, I don't think this is worth talking about.
Re: Raja Bell. The guy ain't dirty, he just hated Kobe Bryant.
they are cry babies and Charles Barkley is right -it's a cult out there. You cannot put down the Suns only the external factors just as you cannot put down their weather. Every time it's 120 degrees, the cult repeats the mantra "yeah, but it's a dry heat". so is my oven.
Spurs got blown out by 17 and 31 pts. in games 3 & 4 of the '05 finals. How did that turn out?I don't know the stats on it but I would venture to say that there aren't too many teams that have won a champoinship as of late that get blown out by 20 pts in a game either.
not all of us are created equal.
Yeah you don't know much when did you start watching the NBA three weeks ago. Spurs got blown out several times in 05 and 03 both years they won championships. This is not uncommon to the Spurs or any team for that matter in the playoffs.
lol...you bring up the weather. that is funny. believe me when I say it isn't the Phoenix people that use the dry heat term but the hundreds of thousands of tourists that come here each year. If a Phoenician uses that term it is in jest. But go ahead and diss us on our weather.
I have short term memory problems. combined with the fact that I am not a spurs fan. So I am wrong. I said I wasn't sure and was pure speculation. my bad.
Another topic devolving into a fanbase vs. fanbase war.
Another topic devolving into a fanbase vs. fanbase war.
well thanks for your participation and contribution in helping evolve this from a fanbase war with your insight.
I already added my two cents on this topic about 10 posts ago.well thanks for your participation and contribution in helping evolve this from a fanbase war with your insight.
What was the score in Game2 at the moment Popovich decided to pull his starters (or primary bench players) from the floor?
The Suns were up about 14 with 4 and a half to go.
Give me a break! Your thug Barbosa and Marion undercut Parker and no flagrant! If anything that thug should be suspended! What about the forearm to Manu's head that the thug Bell landed on Manu in Game 1! Those two should be suspended!
This would be the next one
Add Raja Bell!
Not fair, Kobe had twice intentionally elbowed Raja in the face which led to the clothesline...and about 90% of this board was happy it happened.Bruce was intentionally trying to hurt Amare. Here's conclusive evidence.
Oops. Wrong picture. My bad.
lol...you bring up the weather. that is funny. believe me when I say it isn't the Phoenix people that use the dry heat term but the hundreds of thousands of tourists that come here each year. If a Phoenician uses that term it is in jest. But go ahead and diss us on our weather.
San Antonio has no place to talk about weather.... Hot and sticky. Cold and damp. Or, just flooding. Take your pick.
Yes, and Parker helped by fading away over Barbosa's back. Give me a break!Give me a break! Your thug Barbosa and Marion undercut Parker and no flagrant! If anything that thug should be suspended! What about the forearm to Manu's head that the thug Bell landed on Manu in Game 1! Those two should be suspended!
And regarding Bell's foul on Manu, that's called a hard foul. You don't foul a player and give him a chance to get the shot off. Bell knew better and made sure the foul was hard. Why is it okay for a Spur to do that, but not any other team?
OMG. I rarely disagree and feel the need to speak out negatively around here but your post is just ridiculous. It's just pure and simple, blind homerism. I think the reason the Spurs get a bad rap is that they know how to play GOOD (and by Good I do not necessarily mean defined by the laws of YOUR morality) but are a team that hustles, kicks, grabs, and scrapes their way to frustrating a team's offensive flow.
The Manu hold was blatant but he had just been pushed down on a questionable screen (that came late and from the back) by Stoudemire. A no call is there to benefit both players - could have been an easy foul on Stoudemire and was a no-call on Ginobili to offset.
I will admit that Bowen sometimes let's his compe ive spirit get the best of him but I do not think he's willing trying to injure Amare. I just don't buy it. I do believe that Bruce would claw, bite, or scratch anyone to earn his paycheck and help his team. Nothing wrong with that, imho. Actually, I respect it and when I watch the Suns it makes me realize what a bunch of assholes they are who choose to show up when they feel like it - let's just see if they can play 2 games of solid efense in a row. Phoenix only know what it means to scrap like they did last night when their backs are against the wall because their style is fed with finesse, high fives, and fancy passes not blue-collar, in-the-ditches findamental understanding of what it means to be a champion.
Sorry, but basketball is so much more than what the highlights on ESPN. Trophy case, check.
Thx dreramcastrocks
Why is it that every Spurs opponenet complains about the refs or lack of calls or no-calls. I mean it's not like the same is not being done to the Spurs. It's not like the Suns hold Duncan from cutting to the basket, or undercut Tony Parker, or cheap shot anyone. No not the Suns only the Spurs.
Here is a memo to Suns fans....ITS THE FREAKING NBA PLAYOFFS..Not the D-League or The And 1 Tournament...ITS THE FREAKING NBA PLAYOFFS...No BABIES ALLOWED. Go complain to your mama...If the Spurs lose we don't post that "Aww did you see the foul on Parker! or Duncan! I have it on Tivo I want to show it to David Stern" You know if the Suns are going to cry win or lose then I hope the Spurs win it in Phoenix so I can see the Phoenix fans cry like little babies how they should have won and the game was stolen from them.
Man thank goodness this Sun's team wasn't playing in the 80's they would have called for the Lakers or Portland teams to be arrested with the physical play back then. So what if Bowen "intentionally or unintentionally" kicked Amare you won and Amare is fine. Have a little class and wait for game 3 because it ain't over!!!
He fouled Manu, but that didn't give him a right to throw an elbow to the head after the whistle was blown! That was a cheap shot even that was mentioned by play by play guys! If you guys are going to attack Bruce Bowen being dirty and after watching the video where there was nothing then I'm going to bring up Bell! He is a punk and is dirty!
Since when did you become the guy that gets to officially label players. You know the only label that matter when it comes to the team and the powers that be is 7 years straight ALL-NBA D Team.Being a dirty player doesn't imply toughness, actually it implies the opposite. Sneakiness, poor sportsmanship and immorality is not "tough", it's merely a sign of low character.
NAME 1 TIME! If you are talking Vince Carter or Steve Francis or even Kobe Bryant, it's not an undercut. Undercutting is what happened to Marion when he got knocked out in 2000 or what happened to Parker last night. What Bowen does is set a legal backscreen. Does he cut it close? EVERYTIME. Why does he do it? Because he needs that psychological advantage against the premier scorers in the L, who elbow, who bump, who shoulder strike, who push, who use moving screens to get past Bruce on the way to the hoop.Marion has been undercut so many times, its scary. Bowen has done it a few times from memory.
Again...what is it about 7 time ALL-NBA D Team do you not get? Should I add the last 4 seasons he has been the runner-up to the DPOY. Let's call him what he is...THE BEST DAMN PERIMETER DEFENDER IN THE L. Don't believe me? Look at the players he guards averages when they play against them. The bulk of them...1 point per shot. 25 points sounds good. 25 points on 25 shots...wholly ineffective. AKA A Black Hole.The reason I'm making a big deal of it is because I do not want to "play the odds" and hope Bowen's disgraceful behavior does not wind up ending the Suns season. He should be called on it and punished before he does some real damage.
He has done nothing to warrant the kind of negativity your trying to sway us with.And honestly, I think Spurs fans should be saying the same thing. You may have a dirty team but you have the classiest fan base in the league. You should be calling out Bowen as well
We're calling him the best damn perimeter defender in the L, the league has been sent tapes and complaints about this perceived thuggery and how many times have you seen him get suspended? NOT ONE DAMN TIME!!!! They see the effort, they see how much he cares about his defense. Not once did you see him pull down the shorts of an opposing player ala Artest. Not once did you see him get tossed from a game for fighting. Not once did you see him jump into the stands ala SJax, and finally, not once did you see his name in the police blotter for rape, strip club attacks, or gun brandishing. This thing that you say should be called out, has been called out. He has been called the BEST PERIMETER DEFENDER IN THE LEAGUE.
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