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    You guys question Nash's after game 1?
    Not me, I love the guy. Had Dallas traded him to SA instead of Phoenix, SA would have 5-6 rings by now.

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    Chuck's gonna call out Phoenix for letting San Antonio get in their heads, something along those lines. But he won't say Phoenix is dead yet. Nash will get mad props for being the consummate professional he is through this controversial series.

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    Barkley will be on Rome in the next hour. I am sure this subject will arise.

    It will be interesting to hear Chuck's take.

    I bet he has Bowen in his Fav 5.

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    Seriously......
    Golden State has been much dirtier in their series, but Utah doesn't . They play basketball and that's why they are up 3-1.

    Phoenix cries like a little , instead of rolling up their sleeves and playing ball. And that's why they'll be down 3-1 after tonight.

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    I bet he has Bowen in his Fav 5.
    At least you know that he has Ginobili.

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    You guys question Nash's after game 1?
    I'm not questioning his toughness. If you get kicked in the junk perfectly, it pretty much changes a good day into a bad one immediately...

    There is the possibility though that Nash sold it a little bit... Every guy here has sold a shot to the nuts a little more than it needed to be sold just to give themselves time to catch their breath and make sure they are ok...


    That's a natural reaction...

    There is no QUESTIONING that Manu was injured by Marion... there is a chance Nash was faking it...

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    I am sure most of you play basketball in your spare time, as do I. And I can honestly tell you, its happened before, that if a guy knee's me in the nuts like Bowen did Nash, "playing basketball" is out the window and its time to throw down.
    Well if Nash insists on all but humping Bowen's leg then he is leaving himself open to something like that happening. Suspending Bowen would be a joke you have to do something that is so obvious as to your intent. This is not such a case, Bell clothes lining Kobe last year that was suspension worthy but not this.

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    What injury as a man would you say causes more pain? Be honest...

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    What injury as a man would you say causes more pain? Be honest...
    Why does that matter, we are talking about intent here.

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    Well if Nash insists on all but humping Bowen's leg then he is leaving himself open to something like that happening.

    You say people think Bowen is dirty because he plays so close in in the "shooters space". Does this mean he is open for a shot in the nuts or an elbow every play? Comon man, its a double edged sword and makes for a ty arguement.

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    Update on Stein's article (but unfortunately no decision yet).

    League looking into Bowen's actions in Game 3
    By Marc Stein
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    Updated: May 14, 2007, 11:51 AM ET

    SAN ANTONIO -- For the first time in an increasingly contentious Spurs-Suns series, San Antonio forward Bruce Bowen is officially under the league's microscope.

    An NBA spokesman confirmed Sunday night that Bowen's third-quarter knee to the groin of Suns guard Steve Nash in Saturday's Game 3 is under review for possible punishment.

    If the decision is made to fine or suspend Bowen, or simply upgrade the foul called on the play to a flagrant foul, that announcement would come before Monday night's Game 4.

    The league decided to conduct a full investigation into Saturday's incident after declining to do so when Bowen was accused of intentionally kicking Amare Stoudemire in Game 2.

    Stoudemire called Bowen and Manu Ginobili "dirty" players after the Game 2 tangle, in which Bowen admitted he "did clip" Stoudemire from behind on a dunk, but Nash has consistently refused to voice any public displeasure with Bowen's physical play, which the Suns believe was a factor in Nash's 0-for-9 shooting in the first half in Game 3.

    On the play in question, Bowen pivoted in an attempt to clear space in the first minute of the second half and landed his knee between Nash's legs. Bowen insisted later that he apologized to Nash immediately.

    Bowen told the San Antonio Express-News: "I said to him, 'Now, Steve, you know I didn't try to knee you there,' and he said, 'Yeah, absolutely, Bruce,' and we gave each other five."

    In explaining what happened, Bowen said: "He was crowding me, and in this game you're taught to get people off of you. If someone is taking up your space, you have nothing to do. But with all the stuff that is going on with [me], I'm sure that will end up on YouTube."

    How the Suns respond from a physicality standpoint to their 108-101 defeat in Game 3 has become the major story line of the series for the two active playoff teams with the best regular-season records.

    Suns coach Mike D'Antoni crumpled a box score and stormed off the interview podium on Saturday night when asked about the Spurs' hands-on approach to guarding Nash, saying: "If that's the way everyone wants it, we'll play that way, too."

    Yet D'Antoni had cooled off by Sunday, urging his team to fight through the increased contact historically allowed in the playoffs and poking fun at himself.

    "Don't quote me from [the podium]," he said. "I was out of my mind. I don't even know what I meant.

    "I'm not going to get into [Bowen's knee] just because it doesn't change anything, and we know how they want to play us. It's going to be up to us to draw a line in the sand, and hey, let's play.

    "We're going to have to take it to them. We're going to have to be aggressive. We're going to have to be smart with it. We're going to have to be mentally tough, and that's why they put champion beside your name if you can do that.

    "To be a champion, you have to acquire this, either by getting it in your gut or by failing. You have to be there, and then you have to get over the hump. And we're not over the hump."

    Stoudemire implored league officials to "clean the game up a little bit" as part of a string of complaints against the Spurs following his Game 2 tangle with Bowen.

    After the initial suggestion from D'Antoni that the Suns would respond to the latest incident by pushing back, D'Antoni and Suns guard Raja Bell made it clear that responding with more physicality is not their best hope of evening the series 2-2 and regaining home-court advatange.

    "I don't think it's matching elbow for elbow," Bell said Sunday. "Look, you get caught up in that with the Spurs and you will lose. They're good at it. As much as everyone would like to spin it and have us out there fighting [in Game 4], you can't do that. I hope guys understand that's not the answer.

    "We've been in the newspapers and people have been making a big deal about that. I'm sure [the Spurs] are having a real good time with it, so it's time to stop talking and say, 'Hey, let's go play.' "

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    "Don't quote me from [the podium]," he said. "I was out of my mind. I don't even know what I meant.

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    You say people think Bowen is dirty because he plays so close in in the "shooters space". Does this mean he is open for a shot in the nuts or an elbow every play? Comon man, its a double edged sword and makes for a ty arguement.
    I am saying when you are that close to someone a players natural intent is always going to be to clear you out of their space that is the way it works in the NBA. That is what Bowen did and he caught nash with the knee but even Nash asmitted to Bruce that it was not intentional.

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    Why does that matter, we are talking about intent here.

    As we decided last questionable call. Intent is impossible to find out because only one guy knows the truth.

    All I can go by is what I have had experience with. I have, while playing, poked someone in the eye. I have never kneed a defender in the nuts standing still.

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    I am saying when you are that close to someone a players natural intent is always going to be to clear you out of their space that is the way it works in the NBA. That is what Bowen did and he caught nash with the knee but even Nash asmitted to Bruce that it was not intentional.

    He is Canadian AND a Liberal. Of course he is going to take the high road. I hate him for that. When have you ever heard him say anything bad about another team?

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    He is Canadian AND a Liberal. Of course he is going to take the high road. I hate him for that. When have you ever heard him say anything bad about another team?
    Oh so we are suppossed to assume he is lying and he really thinks Bruce did it on purpose, your kidding right.

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    As we decided last questionable call. Intent is impossible to find out because only one guy knows the truth.

    All I can go by is what I have had experience with. I have, while playing, poked someone in the eye. I have never kneed a defender in the nuts standing still.

    Neither Nash nor Bowen were standing still, so....

    Bruce says he did not do it intentionally, and even goes further to say that Nash agrees with him. I commend Nash for staying quiet, but in this case, if he felt it was intentional, he should say, "With all due respect to Bruce, who is a great defender, I do not accept his version of events."

    And leave it like that. No need to go Amare and call the whole Spurs team "dirty," just be diplomatic but disagree. The fact he hasn't made such a statement, to me, means Bowen's version is correct.

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    He is Canadian AND a Liberal. Of course he is going to take the high road. I hate him for that. When have you ever heard him say anything bad about another team?
    I have to admit, Nash is classy as . He always mans up and he never whines or es, unlike other Suns.

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    Neither Nash nor Bowen were standing still, so....

    Bowen had lost his dribble. That is what I meant by standing still.

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    Bowen had lost his dribble. That is what I meant by standing still.
    All he did was step forward towards the d to get some room, nothing wrong with that

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    Oh so we are suppossed to assume he is lying and he really thinks Bruce did it on purpose, your kidding right.

    No he is too classy to actually call someone out.

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    "Don't quote me from [the podium]," he said. "I was out of my mind. I don't even know what I meant.

    I can relate to this statement.


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    I edited my above post. You can still be classy and disagree with a player's version of events.

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    Bowen has more body control than this. For a guy to be that good of defender he HAS TO. I just don't know why he chooses to do any of this crap. How much of it can be an "accident". Even Geico would have dropped his ass by now.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=UynFKOdfxXc

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    Bowen has more body control than this. For a guy to be that good of defender he HAS TO. I just don't know why he chooses to do any of this crap. How much of it can be an "accident". Even Geico would have dropped his ass by now.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=UynFKOdfxXc
    at that stupid ass youtube vid

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