Suns fans suffering!

[FromWayDowntown]

Would you like SUNS fans off this site? Would most rather not even converse with SUNS fans. If so I can understand that. There is nothing that can be done about the past. So lets just enjoy NBA basketball. the SUNS will get theirs. I dont know when but it will come.

I don't really care whether you or any other Suns fans stay or go. I've stated earlier in this thread that I think diversity of viewpoints makes for good discussion. But I also think that opinions offered without any real reasoning behind them -- particularly those complaining about the fate of one team or another -- are little more than whining. I'm not a big fan of whining, whether it comes from Spurs fans, Suns fans, Mavs fans, or Globetrotters fans.

I appreciate good discussions. This, however, is not a good discussion.

[FromWayDowntown]

It's not you. You're just a constant reminder of the cloud that will forever hang above this years finals. Everybody understands the rules, but it will never deminish the fact that the suns got screwed.

I'm still at a loss to understand that last statement. Are you saying that the Suns screwed themselves? Or are you contending that the league screwed the Suns by sticking to its guns and enforcing a rule in a manner consistent with every other instance in which it has been violated? If your argument is the latter, I'm sure you're about to cite me to either: (1) an instance in which the rule wasn't applied as it was in this case; or (2) a clear reason for why the Suns should have been treated differently than every other team in league history that has had a player violate the rule. Otherwise, I have no idea how you can logically make that argument.

[FromWayDowntown]

This is for all the Spurs fans out there. I HATE your coach!!! He knows mor than any other how to control the SUNS. So for that I say Damn him!!!

Now see, that's at least putting blame for the Suns' loss in the right place.

[Sec24Row7]

I don't really care whether you or any other Suns fans stay or go. I've stated earlier in this thread that I think diversity of viewpoints makes for good discussion. But I also think that opinions offered without any real reasoning behind them -- particularly those complaining about the fate of one team or another -- are little more than whining. I'm not a big fan of whining, whether it comes from Spurs fans, Suns fans, Mavs fans, or Globetrotters fans.

I appreciate good discussions. This, however, is not a good discussion.

Now I'm not a big fan of whining dude... but I've been a Washington Generals fan for years...

Those ing Globetrotters get away with EVERYTHING... Call a TRAVEL!

Call a Double Dribble!

HES DRIBBLING WITH HIS FEET YOU ASSHOLE!!!

That league is so fixed...

[td4mvp21]

I don't care what anyone other than the Spurs/anyone related to them says. We haven't even made it to the Finals and are not guaranteed a championship. I love it how people are so quick to already put an asterisk by it. It's funny how in this generation of basketball, teams with dumbass superstars and no defense blame everyone but themselves for losing a series. "It's the refs!" "No, it's all Stern's fault!" "The _______ got screwed!!!". If the team (oh say, like the SUNS?) were so good, they would have won no matter what. Looks like they didn't.

[Sec24Row7]

I only think we have a 50/50 chance of winning the le...

[timvp]

One thing that Suns fans need to realize is that if something similar happened to the Spurs and Duncan and Manu got suspended for a playoff game, that wouldn't even register on the top five list of how the Spurs were "robbed".

This is a fan base who lost a chance at a repeat last year because Dirk stepped on Duncan's foot to foul Duncan out of a game. This is a fan base that watched Derek Fisher hit a shot in .4 (which is literally impossible and breaks more rules than mere NBA rules) that ended another shot at a repeat. After that game, yeah there were some Spurs fans whining, but a good number just said F it lets try to get the next game.

If a couple Spurs were dumb enough to walk off the bench and break one of the few black and white rules in the NBA, I wouldn't feel sorry for them or the Spurs. Then again, as a Spurs fan, we've had pretty good practice at taking punches and just moving on to the next game or the next season.

[ambchang]

I find this thread absolutely facinating. 7 pages, and it seems to go around in circles. I still do not see one good explanation as to why the Suns should be given preferential treatment, or even better, why Suns not getting preferential treatment = Suns getting robbed.
I don't see one instance where a Suns fan would admit that Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw is wholly responsible for their actions.
I don't see any explanations as to why out of the 12 flagrant fouls in the playoffs this year, only one resulted in a suspension from players leaving the bench.
I don't see any credit given to the Spurs for winning 3 out of the 5 games when the Suns had the full team, and the Game 5 victory was the closest game in the series.
I don't understand how fans fail to see that Amare Stoudemire in the series actually hurts the Suns defensively, and benefits them offensively.
I don't understand how a professed fan of basketball cannot see the knee in the groin to Nash was inadvertent, that Nash jumped into Bowen's space, or that that "kick" never even registered.
Neither could I understand how the Suns believe that a a perimeter player cannot be touched when EVERY team does it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oGfw...elated&search=
See at the 3 second mark, Marion touched Parker, but was he called for a foul? of course not, because that is not a foul. See how Parker was pushed a good 5 feet out on his shot? That's not a foul, he didn't get fouled until he took the shot.

[Purple & Gold]

At how the Suns are cursed.


That's what they get for their fans, players, coaching staff and owner all being a bunch of whining es.

[LavaLamp]

I wish I could say the same about your coach .

I dont really know D'Antoni but maybe that's just how it is on the Italian leagues where he played... express emotion, get all-red faced, exagerate gestures, throw down the clipboard and talk with your hands???

[ATRAIN]

I dont really know D'Antoni but maybe that's just how it is on the Italian leagues where he played... express emotion, get all-red faced, exagerate gestures, throw down the clipboard and talk with your hands???

hahahha maybe but that can be interpreted as being a and whining all the time.

[ATRAIN]

Since there a lot of "what ifs" being thrown around, I got one. What if Amare wouldn't have been suspended. Would he have been a factor. You never know because the MORON was always in foul trouble throughout the series. I do wish things would have been different and we would have beaten you guys without this. Also would Marion have had such a great game if Diaw and Amare weren't suspended. You guys SHOULD have wont that game. You were dominating us and lost it at the end. Same thing can be said with the game that NASH got the "POUUUUUNCE". We had that game and messed up. We can what if all day all night all till next season, the fact is we won the series, we beat you guys full force 3 out of those 4 games we needed to advance. As far as Bowen "kicking" Amare and making Nash sterile. That can be viewed many ways as well. I have seen the videos over and over. Why would anyone KICK someone while in the air on his way up anyways. How can anyone LOOK UP and still know where to kick. TO me(and this is my opinion) Bowen looks like hi kicked his leg up yes, but it looks like he is trying to stop his momentum and trying not to foul. When nash got racked I would have to say that was HIS fault.......he was trying to defend like Bruce and got all up on him. Bowen isnt a guard and doesnt handle the ball much, so when you have a little rugged canadian running at you, you would panic and try to get the ball somewhere else and his maneuvers arent very good and he kneed nash on accident. Again though the only person that REALLY knows is Bowen and if he did it intentional, then he has to live with it.

[clambake]

Still trying to work this out in your mind?

[ATRAIN]

Still trying to work this out in your mind?

yeah my brain hurts

[fyatuk]

The SUNS were wrong the rule was upheld and I am Happy about it. Is that what Spurs fans want? Although the two of you are speaking I dont believe even most Spurs fans agree that the SUNS should have been suspended. I know others are reading these posts what are some other Spurs takes on this.

Amare should have been suspended, no doubt. He seemed to be heading towards the altercation in a very bad mood.

Diaw broke the rule too, so he should have been suspended, but to me it seems like he was really interested in checking on Nash and I thought he caught himself (unlike Amare who had to be physically pushed back).

I think they should have been suspended because the rule is in place, has been since they were kids (aka they grew up with this rule in place in the NBA), they were reminded of it more than once this season, the it's been consistently and harshly enforced since its inception.

I agree the rule is a bit unfair and needs to have a little wiggle room, as well as a more properly defined "immediate vicinity of the bench." However, the NBA did the right thing is suspending them. You have to enforce the rules you have, period.

No doubt it sucks. I'd be pissed off about it if the roles were reversed, but I'd be pissed at the players who broke the rule.

[wsupkid]

Amare should have been suspended, no doubt. He seemed to be heading towards the altercation in a very bad mood.

Diaw broke the rule too, so he should have been suspended, but to me it seems like he was really interested in checking on Nash and I thought he caught himself (unlike Amare who had to be physically pushed back).

I think they should have been suspended because the rule is in place, has been since they were kids (aka they grew up with this rule in place in the NBA), they were reminded of it more than once this season, the it's been consistently and harshly enforced since its inception.

I agree the rule is a bit unfair and needs to have a little wiggle room, as well as a more properly defined "immediate vicinity of the bench." However, the NBA did the right thing is suspending them. You have to enforce the rules you have, period.

No doubt it sucks. I'd be pissed off about it if the roles were reversed, but I'd be pissed at the players who broke the rule.

Now, some voice of reason. I am pissed all the way around. I hope not to be a FAN who refuses to look at a situation as fair as a fan can. I am not a yankee fan. I F*^% hate them.

[FromWayDowntown]

Now, some voice of reason. I am pissed all the way around. I hope not to be a FAN who refuses to look at a situation as fair as a fan can. I am not a yankee fan. I F*^% hate them.

Are you saying that a fan who believes that special exceptions shouldn't be made for one particular team or its players isn't looking at the situation fairly?

I still haven't seen an argument for why the Suns deserved special treatment. Maybe if there was a reasonable argument to that effect, I could be convinced that I'm not viewing this fairly. But to this point, all I'm hearing is a bunch of whining about a rule that has always been enforced this way -- and whining that continues more than a week after Game 5!!

[btimsah]

Duncan walked onto the court from the Bench in the 2nd quarter in an effort to stop an altercation from occurring. Bruce Bowen is seen pushing him back to the bench. This was DURING THE GAME mind you. His tall ass just gets up and walks out onto the court during a potential altercation. No penalty. No suspension. Why? Because no altercation had yet occurred.

So, James Jones should have started an altercation and then Duncan would have been suspended. Regardless of weather Duncan really does anything*

That's one stupid rule. The rule I have a problem with, more than anything else. As for the actual basketball on the court?

2 games the Suns won.
2 games the Spurs won.

Then the suspensions decided it for the Spurs. Next year maybe we'll have seat belts installed and we can finish the series in game 7 at home like we should have? Go suns!

[samikeyp]

Why? Because no altercation had yet occurred.

which is why no rule was broken. a potential altercation is different than an actual one.

Then the suspensions decided it for the Spurs

So the Spurs had absolutely, positively nothing to do with the win. You are saying that if both teams were at full strength that there would be absolutely no way possible that the Spurs could have won game 5.

I do agree though...the rule is stupid and needs to be changed.

[747]

This is a fan base who lost a chance at a repeat last year because Dirk stepped on Duncan's foot to foul Duncan out of a game. This is a fan base that watched Derek Fisher hit a shot in .4 (which is literally impossible and breaks more rules than mere NBA rules) that ended another shot at a repeat. After that game, yeah there were some Spurs fans whining, but a good number just said F it lets try to get the next game.

Solid Spurs fan post.

That is one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is...

Dirk stepped on Duncan's foot to foul Duncan out of a game

Or? Gino had a total mental lapse and fouled Dirk to send the new MVP to the line.

Derek Fisher hit a shot in .4 (which is literally impossible and breaks more rules than mere NBA rules) that ended another shot at a repeat.

Or? The fact that again,Gino was not able to make the play and stop a shooter with less than a breath to shoot.

You are better off arguing that Timmy got fouled by "the Big Push Off" on the play before...because he did.

I can only speak for myself, but with all due respect to the Spurs, I think that Suns fans are upset because the series was take out of the players hands. The series was decided courtside with an inept training staff and in the league offices with a lawyer-robot comish.

The Spurs are a great team, and to beat you guys, we needed to stop the bleeding and get a call. It didn’t happen in 07.

To be honest, I will live. The Spurs are great. Tim F'ing Duncan? He is the best I have ever seen. Bruce Bowen? As much as I hate him, I would love him on the Suns.

There is no shame in losing to you. That said, we will get you next year. And like you experienced in years past, you guys will probably take it in stride and win again in 2010.