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    Hmmmmmm.

    I wonder why when Buenos Hairys appeared on this thread, MB disappeared.
    No es MB.

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    And that separates him from 90% of the rest of the forum, how?






    #1. I didn't attack Argies...I attacked newbie Argies.

    I see 20 of them per year...they always react the exact same way, it's the same argument I've heard 1000 times, and it's a bad argument that shows a huge lack of insight to the game.


    #2. There is a difference between the leagues.


    #3. There is a difference between an single elimination contest(as the medal rounds are) and the NBA marathon.


    I am insulted every time someone tries to cite the ing Olympics as proof of something having to do with the NBA...

    Did you see how bad Duncan sucked in the Olympics?

    I don't just mean against Argentina...I mean, the whole ing tournament.

    He sucked...if you go by that tournament, Tim Duncan is the biggest choker, clueless and foul prone player to ever represent team USA...

    So pointing out the Olympics to me...as proof of anthing having to do with the NBA, automatically brands someone to me, as a newbie fan.

    It's a different game, with different rules, and different styles of play.


    I don't care how many awards Scola has in Europe...he doesn't have the athleticism to transfer to the NBA without losing a substantial amount of his game.

    Manu has tremendous athelticism...it was no brainer he was going to be an NBA success...

    Oberto, has none...but he does what he does very well, and it was easy to see he is going ot transfer to the NBA.








    I don't...just depends on who I am arguing with.

    And it's not that I feel the need to do so...it just feels better.




    Link to where I said you did? Link to where I have insulted Argentines ad hoc anywhere in this thread?

    I used the qualifier "newbie" and iI used it for a reason.

    And as long as you have been here on this board...you should know exactly what I am talking about.






    And I don't recall ever saying that...some of my favorite basketball players are Argentine...

    [quite]
    Ariel here is one of the most knowledgeable Argie posters here, by a mile, and judging by the amount of filth you've spewed at him in the past few posts, I'd be inclined to think he's probably more knowledgeable than you.

    It's SpursTalk....[/QUOTE]

    I think calling Argentinians "Argies" is not a good thing. Like us being called "Ammies" or some ridiculous crap like that in another country. Pretty uncool.

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    my bad then, you didn't get offended. I sure as did. Go ahead and find in Ariels posts anything that would warrant that barrage of garbage Whottt just spewed?
    I've insulted whottt plenty and he has insulted plenty back at me. No harm done. Life goes on. I still like the guy. I guess we have one thing in common: we both think Manu is the . Come to think about it, you do too.

    As for Ariel I like him and hope he posts more often. We need more Argies posters. We need to show this damn gringos what we are really made of!

    MartinR should post more often too.

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    chinga damn gringos!!!

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    I've insulted whottt plenty and he has insulted plenty back at me. No harm done. Life goes on. I still like the guy. I guess we have one thing in common: we both think Manu is the . Come to think about it, you do too.

    As for Ariel I like him and hope he posts more often. We need more Argies posters. We need to show this damn gringos what we are really made of!

    MartinR should post more often too.
    Smeagol, you're the man! That's the right at ude, bro. But you guys better not crack on Brazilians.

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    Manumaniac...

    Here is why I got offended since you must know...and frankly...I am little offended that you don't see why...

    Keep in mind, I have never seen Ariel post before today...I haven't got a ing clue who he is, what his opinions or anything...

    He responded to my post...and here is what I found offensive...

    Who is people, exactly? I have heard people say Delfino was a better defender than Manu... but all around? Of course, give me any bold statement and it is bound to have been made by someone... but you make it seem like there was a consensus, which is far from the truth.
    This is an enormously stupid ing comment to make on a message board...especially SpursTalk...

    Since a staple of SpursTalk is saying I told you so...

    You've been here for years...it's the national sport of this board...

    This bag branded himself a clueless newbie by asking a stupid ing question...stupid, about this board.

    Additionally...




    Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto, ...

    Here... bag seems offended that I am not familiar with his in stance on this issue and I am somehow stupid for not having seen it...

    I found that offensive, pompous, and arrogant...from a newbie, who's biggest problems with me are the result of him being new to the board.

    His basketball arguments did not impress me...they never do when someone overemphasises the Olympics.

    Winning the Olympics means you have the best National Team in the World...and nothing else.

    Happy now?

    And he called my arguments stupid too...if you weren't such a blind homer you'd have seen that.

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    I'm surprised at what Walter did at the end of the season. And I agree that Delfino would probaly do better in a team which was not as stacked as DET is with talented players.

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    I'm surprised at what Walter did at the end of the season. And I agree that Delfino would probaly do better in a team which was not as stacked as DET is with talented players.
    Well two young players, Okur and Darko, have turned out to be pretty damn good on other teams with more playing time. I think Delfino has a ton of talent, and would be very curious to see what he could do with some minutes.

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    Well two young players, Okur and Darko, have turned out to be pretty damn good on other teams with more playing time. I think Delfino has a ton of talent, and would be very curious to see what he could do with some minutes.
    Good point. Especially Okur. That guy was totally shadowed by the Pistons' stars. Now that he plays for another team, he's having an AS year (except against the Spurs, where he is sucking wind )

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    It's SpursTalk....
    ... I'll grant you that. I really should be more aware of this, long as I've been here... shame on me

    You're friend got the response he did from me because he proved himself a dumbass by being offended because he wasn't here 4 years ago when people were saying that...

    It's not my fault he wasn't here...
    Not exactly Whottt, you told him "I doubt you were even watching basketball back then"

    Come on man, that's not a slight on how long he's been posting here. Dude got offended, and rightly so I think.

    I agree in part, that the Olympics is not an appropiate means of comparison between FIBA style of play and NBA's, due primarily because its played under FIBA rules no less. However, Ariel was commenting on ducks post about Oberto coming up big in games, as opposed to Scola. His point was that no matter how bad you think the US was playing, it was still probably one of the biggest games of his life for him. What's in question here is the mental toughness of the man, and for him that game was probably a pressure cooker. So it should tell you something that he didn't get rattled in that situation and had a particularly good game.

    Still, in the end its all about what happens not what would happen. IMO Scola would fit very well in the NBA. I realize he'll go through the transition period every Euro goes through when coming over here, and perhaps thats the biggest issue here, age, and how long it will take for him to get adjusted. On top of that learning the Spurs defensive rotation is always a . I say trade the man's rights for something we can use right now, and that fulfills more pressing needs, not because the man can't cut it, but because the Spurs could probably get more bang-for-their-buck elsewhere right now.

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    ... I'll grant you that. I really should be more aware of this, long as I've been here... shame on me

    Not exactly Whottt, you told him "I doubt you were even watching basketball back then"

    Come on man, that's not a slight on how long he's been posting here. Dude got offended, and rightly so I think.

    I agree in part, that the Olympics is not an appropiate means of comparison between FIBA style of play and NBA's, due primarily because its played under FIBA rules no less. However, Ariel was commenting on ducks post about Oberto coming up big in games, as opposed to Scola. His point was that no matter how bad you think the US was playing, it was still probably one of the biggest games of his life for him. What's in question here is the mental toughness of the man, and for him that game was probably a pressure cooker. So it should tell you something that he didn't get rattled in that situation and had a particularly good game.

    Still, in the end its all about what happens not what would happen. IMO Scola would fit very well in the NBA. I realize he'll go through the transition period every Euro goes through when coming over here, and perhaps thats the biggest issue here, age, and how long it will take for him to get adjusted. On top of that learning the Spurs defensive rotation is always a . I say trade the man's rights for something we can use right now, and that fulfills more pressing needs, not because the man can't cut it, but because the Spurs could probably get more bang-for-their-buck elsewhere right now.

    I just don't see it...

    First time I saw Manu and Oberto play was in 02 and I instandly liked both of them...Scola had a good performance in that WC too...but his game is one I just don't see transferring to the NBA.


    As for the Olympics...that was a team win, Argetina won because they had the Superior Team, they had a Team that was much more experienced, both in international play and playing together...

    Argentina was such a superior TEAM to Team USA, in terms of TEAM play... that using that as an example of clutchness or pressure play, is like saying the Spurs are clutch for beating the Nuggets...

    Team Argentina won...they were the favorite to win, they should have won.

    I looked at Scola's performances in Europe as a truer indication of how he handles pressure...since, he's not going to be playing for national pride in the NBA, either.

    It's a different mindset, a different game and it in no way translates to NBA success IMO...just ask Tim Duncan, and Allen Iverson, and Amare Stoudamire etc...

    And besides if you are going to give it to one player..that was Manu's show...Scola just got caught up in the wake.

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    Scola is NBA-bound. He sees the success Oberto is having. IMO, he will do anything to play in the NBA next year. He wants his shot at success.

    And the mystery will be revealed.

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    Scola is NBA-bound. He sees the success Oberto is having. IMO, he will do anything to play in the NBA next year. He wants his shot at success.

    And the mystery will be revealed.
    I hope so. I don't think I can take another year of Scola's great, Scola sucks threads.

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    Manumaniac...

    Here is why I got offended since you must know...and frankly...I am little offended that you don't see why...

    Keep in mind, I have never seen Ariel post before today...I haven't got a ing clue who he is, what his opinions or anything...

    He responded to my post...and here is what I found offensive...



    This is an enormously stupid ing comment to make on a message board...especially SpursTalk...

    Since a staple of SpursTalk is saying I told you so...

    You've been here for years...it's the national sport of this board...

    This bag branded himself a clueless newbie by asking a stupid ing question...stupid, about this board.
    Fine, we'll chalk the whole thing down as a missunderstanding. Dude didn't know you were talking about Argies, on this board, four years ago... Still seems quite the overreaction doesn't it? Still, I'm not excempt from going off on people by mistake, it happens, I can give you at least that much.

    Here... bag seems offended that I am not familiar with his in stance on this issue and I am somehow stupid for not having seen it...

    I found that offensive, pompous, and arrogant...from a newbie, who's biggest problems with me are the result of him being new to the board.
    You got all that from "Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto..."

    Yeah, I think you're reading too much into the mans comments Whottt. Still, I could be wrong about this.


    His basketball arguments did not impress me...they never do when someone overemphasises the Olympics.

    Winning the Olympics means you have the best National Team in the World...and nothing else.
    Ugh... I've already addressed the Olympics issue a few posts back...

    Just messing with ya Whottt.

    Happy now?

    And he called my arguments stupid too...if you weren't such a blind homer you'd have seen that.
    blind homer huh? man what is it? you think us Argies are just one big brotherhood, everyone rooting for their fellow countrymen in every aspect of daily life, including basketball forums? Seriously, if it was that way, we would probably be Sweden

    I may have missed him calling your comments stupid, but thats just probably because I was blindsighted by the barrage of insults coming from your posts Whottt. I apologize, I'll try to be more thorough in the future.

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    I just remember being laughed at when I said Oberto would be starting by the end of the year after we signed him...I ed he did not get more PT against the Mavs last year...he played well againsg them in the 2 minutes of PT he got...

    It took a year(and Pop admitting he made a mistake by not realizing what Oberto could bring to a team) but here he is...starting. Scoreboard...

    And I know for a fact that there were Argies that doubted he could do it...

    I don't think Scola would be starting for this team if he were here right now...I think he'd be playing behind Oberto, I think if they came over at the same time he'd still be playing behind Oberto...he might come over and might eventually start, but IMO, it will because Oberto isn't getting any younger...

    As for Elson...I like him too...he's a freak athlete...if he learns the Spurs sytem he's the best C on the team. I am not ready to give up on him yet...you get a 7 foot guy that can do all the things he can do and that is as fast as he is...he's a huge weapon, and he's still a time bomb waiting to go off for this team in a game.

    I am very happy with the Spurs C rotation in Elson and Oberto...I just don't see Scola fitting in on this team, a lot of that is due to comments he has made that I know won't go over well with the Spurs if he makes similar comments while playing for this team. As I said originally...I like the idea of Scola more now because of Oberto...and Team Argentina coming off the bench would be a devastating weapon for the Spurs....a le winning weapon potentially...but the 3 Argies I want are Noccioni, Manu and Oberto...I am not sold on Scola(his at ude or his NBA game) and Delfino doesn't seem worth the trouble.

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    Wait, wait, wait.

    Does Manu actually hate Tony?


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    I think calling Argentinians "Argies" is not a good thing. Like us being called "Ammies" or some ridiculous crap like that in another country. Pretty uncool.
    Actually David, I think the term "Argies" originated from Argentinians. I mean lets face it, its a long ing name

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    blind homer huh? man what is it? you think us Argies are just one big brotherhood, everyone rooting for their fellow countrymen in every aspect of daily life, including basketball forums? Seriously, if it was that way, we would probably be Sweden

    I may have missed him calling your comments stupid, but thats just probably because I was blindsighted by the barrage of insults coming from your posts Whottt. I apologize, I'll try to be more thorough in the future.
    No apology needed....it's SpursTalk....where verbal abuse, self aggrandizing and refusal to admit error(without a major attempt at ass covering) go hand in hand with basketball discussion.

    Home sweet home.


    And I don't think all Argies like that...as I said...some Argies didn't think Oberto was going to be worth a flip in the NBA...some thought Delfino was going to be better than Manu.

    But there's a definite trend with new ones that come to the board, then after a few years of verbal abuse their game is much improved...same as with the American fans...

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    Wait, wait, wait.

    Does Manu actually hate Tony?

    yes, we'll be invading France in the very near future to drive that point home. Ofcourse it will probably take the French about a week to kick our asses out of there, but we're preety confident thats enough time to prove our point...

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    But there's a definite trend with new ones that come to the board, then after a few years of verbal abuse their game is much improved...same as with the American fans...

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    I just remember being laughed at when I said Oberto would be starting
    Join the club

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23014

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    timvp should change his le to "WhotttDumper"


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    timvp got owned so badly in yesterdays game his only alternative is to launch an offensive and turn off search...

    Jacque Vaugn owned him...Steve Javie owned him.
    Elson is going to own him...and Finley is going to get him owned.



    Man I was so far ahead of the curve...

    On the first draft night chat in SpursTalk history I called stuff that is still being proven true.

    Kidd wouldn't come.
    Attempting to sign him is going to piss Parker off.
    We'll regret trading that pick to Phoenix.
    Greek Baby Shaq is going to make his mark in the NBA(this begins next year), besides, if you can draft a player named Greek Baby Shaq, you do it, no questions asked.
    And finally, Oberto would be a better and cheaper C than Rasho...possibly allowing us to keep Jack.

    The only problem with being so far ahead of everyone else is...it's like being the first guy to know the world is round...you have to put up with a lot of lesser intellects calling you stupid.


    Sigh...but nobody ever said being a genius was easy. There is a price to be paid.

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    And that is a pretty impressive post by MB calling the trade of Rasho and Nazr.

    It's almost scary how deadly accurate he was on that...a far contrast to his Kidd takes of 03.

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    Greek Baby Shaq is going to make his mark in the NBA(this begins next year), besides, if you can draft a player named Greek Baby Shaq, you do it, no questions asked.

    Are you talking about Snavlov Svanalakaus?
    I thought some other team beat us to the punch..

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