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    Maybe Amare should concentrate more on learning how to play a modi of defense and not being an egotistical .
    Best thing I've heard from a Suns fan in a long time.



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    My consolation prize: If (probably when) the Spurs beat the Cavs, you will all think to this thread, and to me, and it will still bother you.

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    If the only hope you have left is to irritate a handful of Spurs fans as they make their way downtown for the NBA championship parade you will never get to experience, I think you should make a date with a shower rod.

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    Yes, him back didn't change the outcome in game 6, but it was sure not on him, it was the rest of the team who didn't show up, like Diaw. Let's be real though, had Amare happened to play game 5, the Suns probably win with the way the game went, lose game 6, and then have a home game for game 7, and who know what would have happened. The SUns may have still lost the series in a 7th game, we will never know, but it could have come out completely different. With all that said, none of that occurred, Amare and Diaw were rightfully suspended for their mistake, and they lost in San Antonio in game 6, where it is obviously extremely tough to win no matter what team the Spurs are playing there.
    It was a bad situation the teams were certainly evenly matched. I mean the Spurs lets face it blew game 4. They badly outplayed the Suns for most of the game and then with 2 min to play choked away the lead. Horry did what he did and he was wrong no question about it but Amare needed to stay put and he didn't.

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    Maybe Amare should concentrate more on learning how to play a modi of defense and not being an egotistical .
    Unfortunately that ego blew up way to much when they started playing the way they did during the season with him. Perhaps as he gets a bit older, he will become a bit more modest and just dominate, but who knows if he has it in him, right now, doesnt look like it.

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    Keep believing all that crap you just said. Are you going to be around to eat crow when the Suns make you look like even more of a jackass for posting this?

    And continue to be knocked Interesting comment considering the 2 previous seasons.
    Stats don't lie. The Suns are a gimmick:

    Defense wins championships:

    Rank in EFG% of every NBA champion since the ABA/NBA merger in 76-77:

    05-06: Miami 10th
    04-05: San Antonio 1st
    03-04: Detroit 2nd
    02-03: San Antonio 2nd
    01-02: LA Lakers 2nd
    00-01: LA Lakers 13th
    99-00: LA Lakers 1st
    98-99: San Antonio 1st
    97-98: Chicago 5th
    96-97: Chicago 3rd
    95-96: Chicago 6th
    94-95: Houston 7th
    93-94: Houston 3rd
    92-93: Chicago 15th
    91-92: Chicago 9th
    90-91: Chicago 13th
    89-90: Detroit 1st
    88-89: Detroit 2nd
    87-88: LA Lakers 9th
    86-87: LA Lakers 6th
    85-86: Boston 1st
    84-85: LA Lakers 5th
    83-84: Boston 2nd
    82-83: Philadelphia 4th
    81-82: LA Lakers 10th
    80-81: Boston 3rd
    79-80: LA Lakers 7th
    78-79: Seattle 1st
    77-78: Washington 10th
    76-77: Portland 7th

    Average Rank: 5.4

    Phoenix ranked 12th this year in EFG%. So in the last 30 years, only three teams have finished the year with a worse EFG% and won the le.

    Twice it was the Bulls during their first 3-peat and the 00-01 Lakers who steamrolled through the Playoffs, losing only one game.

    Spurs are ranked 2nd in EFG% this year while the Cavs are ranked 3rd. Interestingly enough both teams are in the Finals.

    The Suns defense is more comparable to teams like the Nets and Raptors than to the likes of the Spurs, Pistons, Mavs, Cavs, Bulls, etc. Phoenix is quite fortunate to have received the Lakers in the first round(one of the worst defensive teams in the league). If they had played the Nuggets instead I'd give Denver a fair shot at knocking them out.

    Once Dallas gets over their choking problem and Utah finally gets a reliable SG I can see them having a better shot at the championship next year than the Suns who will forever be a regular season team.

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    It was a bad situation the teams were certainly evenly matched. I mean the Spurs lets face it blew game 4. They badly outplayed the Suns for most of the game and then with 2 min to play choked away the lead. Horry did what he did and he was wrong no question about it but Amare needed to stay put and he didn't.
    I completely agree with this all. Unfortunately, we will never know what may have happened if no conflict occurred. As a Suns fan I can only hope of one thing, that this makes them even hungrier next year and not let this be a couple year hangover. It would certainly motivate me to improve seeing the Spurs with 4 trophies.

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    ^Whoever wrote that is a dumbass. The Spurs are definitely a better team than Phoenix and they outplayed them in their series, but there is no secret concept that wins championships, it's just outscoring their opponents. I'd pick the Suns over every team not named San Antonio in a seven game series.

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    Stats don't lie. The Suns are a gimmick:

    Defense wins championships:

    Rank in EFG% of every NBA champion since the ABA/NBA merger in 76-77:

    05-06: Miami 10th
    04-05: San Antonio 1st
    03-04: Detroit 2nd
    02-03: San Antonio 2nd
    01-02: LA Lakers 2nd
    00-01: LA Lakers 13th
    99-00: LA Lakers 1st
    98-99: San Antonio 1st
    97-98: Chicago 5th
    96-97: Chicago 3rd
    95-96: Chicago 6th
    94-95: Houston 7th
    93-94: Houston 3rd
    92-93: Chicago 15th
    91-92: Chicago 9th
    90-91: Chicago 13th
    89-90: Detroit 1st
    88-89: Detroit 2nd
    87-88: LA Lakers 9th
    86-87: LA Lakers 6th
    85-86: Boston 1st
    84-85: LA Lakers 5th
    83-84: Boston 2nd
    82-83: Philadelphia 4th
    81-82: LA Lakers 10th
    80-81: Boston 3rd
    79-80: LA Lakers 7th
    78-79: Seattle 1st
    77-78: Washington 10th
    76-77: Portland 7th

    Average Rank: 5.4

    Phoenix ranked 12th this year in EFG%. So in the last 30 years, only three teams have finished the year with a worse EFG% and won the le.

    Twice it was the Bulls during their first 3-peat and the 00-01 Lakers who steamrolled through the Playoffs, losing only one game.

    Spurs are ranked 2nd in EFG% this year while the Cavs are ranked 3rd. Interestingly enough both teams are in the Finals.

    The Suns defense is more comparable to teams like the Nets and Raptors than to the likes of the Spurs, Pistons, Mavs, Cavs, Bulls, etc. Phoenix is quite fortunate to have received the Lakers in the first round(one of the worst defensive teams in the league). If they had played the Nuggets instead I'd give Denver a fair shot at knocking them out.

    Once Dallas gets over their choking problem and Utah finally gets a reliable SG I can see them having a better shot at the championship next year than the Suns who will forever be a regular season team.
    What should they do to improve? Change it to "6 seconds or less"?

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    Stats don't lie. The Suns are a gimmick:

    Defense wins championships:

    Rank in EFG% of every NBA champion since the ABA/NBA merger in 76-77:

    05-06: Miami 10th
    04-05: San Antonio 1st
    03-04: Detroit 2nd
    02-03: San Antonio 2nd
    01-02: LA Lakers 2nd
    00-01: LA Lakers 13th
    99-00: LA Lakers 1st
    98-99: San Antonio 1st
    97-98: Chicago 5th
    96-97: Chicago 3rd
    95-96: Chicago 6th
    94-95: Houston 7th
    93-94: Houston 3rd
    92-93: Chicago 15th
    91-92: Chicago 9th
    90-91: Chicago 13th
    89-90: Detroit 1st
    88-89: Detroit 2nd
    87-88: LA Lakers 9th
    86-87: LA Lakers 6th
    85-86: Boston 1st
    84-85: LA Lakers 5th
    83-84: Boston 2nd
    82-83: Philadelphia 4th
    81-82: LA Lakers 10th
    80-81: Boston 3rd
    79-80: LA Lakers 7th
    78-79: Seattle 1st
    77-78: Washington 10th
    76-77: Portland 7th

    Average Rank: 5.4

    Phoenix ranked 12th this year in EFG%. So in the last 30 years, only three teams have finished the year with a worse EFG% and won the le.

    Twice it was the Bulls during their first 3-peat and the 00-01 Lakers who steamrolled through the Playoffs, losing only one game.

    Spurs are ranked 2nd in EFG% this year while the Cavs are ranked 3rd. Interestingly enough both teams are in the Finals.

    The Suns defense is more comparable to teams like the Nets and Raptors than to the likes of the Spurs, Pistons, Mavs, Cavs, Bulls, etc. Phoenix is quite fortunate to have received the Lakers in the first round(one of the worst defensive teams in the league). If they had played the Nuggets instead I'd give Denver a fair shot at knocking them out.

    Once Dallas gets over their choking problem and Utah finally gets a reliable SG I can see them having a better shot at the championship next year than the Suns who will forever be a regular season team.
    Thank you for all of this, although I really don't care about it all as I've seen it a couple times. I call you a jackass because you really believe yourself when you say the Nuggets or Jazz would have even competed with the Suns. Come that time of the season, there was 1 team, and ONLY 1 team to stop them, and it was the one who beat them. Had they gotten by the Spurs somehow, i'm pretty sure most reasonable fans of even the SPurs believe the Suns would be about to host the Cavs and destroy them much like the Spurs are about to.

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    ^Whoever wrote that is a dumbass. The Spurs are definitely a better team than Phoenix and they outplayed them in their series, but there is no secret concept that wins championships, it's just outscoring their opponents. I'd pick the Suns over every team not named San Antonio in a seven game series.
    They can't just be happy with "scoreboard," because of that damn asterisk. They've got to go the extra mile and claim the Suns are a "gimmick" rather than the 2nd-best team in the league.

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    I'm very happy with "scoreboard."

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    ^Whoever wrote that is a dumbass. The Spurs are definitely a better team than Phoenix and they outplayed them in their series, but there is no secret concept that wins championships, it's just outscoring their opponents. I'd pick the Suns over every team not named San Antonio in a seven game series.
    Exactly, including the Mavs who the Suns dominated the last meeting and the 2 overtimes and final minute of the 4th quarter the time before.

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    They can't just be happy with "scoreboard," because of that damn asterisk. They've got to go the extra mile and claim the Suns are a "gimmick" rather than the 2nd-best team in the league.
    If, today, the Suns fired Mike D'Antoni and hired Jeff Van Gundy as their new head coach, they would be the overwhelming favorites to win the 2007-08 NBA championship.

    But they won't do that, and so they're going to keep falling short.

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    They've got to go the extra mile and claim the Suns are a "gimmick" rather than the 2nd-best team in the league.
    The second best team is actually Cleveland.

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    They can't just be happy with "scoreboard," because of that damn asterisk. They've got to go the extra mile and claim the Suns are a "gimmick" rather than the 2nd-best team in the league.
    Any basketball fan worth their salt knows that Phoenix is the NBA's version of the old NFL run'n'shoot offense. It always put up a ton of points, but never won jack after December.

    Oh, and the plaque for second place is down the hall in the ladies room. You're welcome to claim it at any time.

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    If, today, the Suns fired Mike D'Antoni and hired Jeff Van Gundy as their new head coach, they would be the overwhelming favorites to win the 2007-08 NBA championship.

    But they won't do that, and so they're going to keep falling short.
    This I totally agree with. D'Antoni is an absolute whiney of a head coach, and it shows in our inability to execute without Steve Nash.

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    Please....stop this ...in less than 24hs we start the finals....

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    Any basketball fan worth their salt knows that Phoenix is the NBA's version of the old NFL run'n'shoot offense. It always put up a ton of points, but never won jack after December.
    Actually, fast break/open court offenses have had success winning championships. Basketball is pretty much unique out of the other major sports, in that defensive half court basketball has become more en vogue recently, where as fast break offense was more "old school".

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    Please....stop this ...in less than 24hs we start the finals....


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    They can't just be happy with "scoreboard," because of that damn asterisk. They've got to go the extra mile and claim the Suns are a "gimmick" rather than the 2nd-best team in the league.
    Just posting cold hard facts. The Suns will always be a gimmick until they can prove otherwise. Too bad their window's closing fast as the Mavs won't choke every year and the Jazz are getting better every season. Rockets are still there, Nuggets will be extra motivated next year, and Oden and Durant just hopped into the Western Conference. Not to mention the salary that Phoenix is going to have to deal with.

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    Please....stop this ...in less than 24hs we start the finals....
    We're bored. Let us pick on this little head for a while.

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    Any basketball fan worth their salt knows that Phoenix is the NBA's version of the old NFL run'n'shoot offense. It always put up a ton of points, but never won jack after December.

    Oh, and the plaque for second place is down the hall in the ladies room. You're welcome to claim it at any time.
    There will still be that one team in the NFL that couldn't stop anyone but still won, and that is the 99 Rams. Although defense wins championships, there are still those few times when the offense just overcomes.

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    Any basketball fan worth their salt knows that Phoenix is the NBA's version of the old NFL run'n'shoot offense. It always put up a ton of points, but never won jack after December.

    Oh, and the plaque for second place is down the hall in the ladies room. You're welcome to claim it at any time.
    Any track & field fan knows the Indianapolis Colts are the reincarnation of the old NFL run & shoot offense. He's great recruiter, but Mack Brown will never win in January.

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    This I totally agree with. D'Antoni is an absolute whiney of a head coach, and it shows in our inability to execute without Steve Nash.
    A Suns fan I agree with! Can't we ban all the idiots and just keep this guy!

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    The second best team is actually Cleveland.
    This thread has officially degenerated to the point of no return.

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