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Danny Ferry is a bigger moron than I thought
You may be right, but that makes even less sense. What was available in trade or free agency last year? What's available this year? With our assets very minor, I don't know what they could get, unless we think the Nocioni trade is somehow likely - that was always a fond fantasy taken a hit by Scola's mewling.
As for trading the pick away, there does seem to be a trough of sorts at the very end of the round -- the best picks in the 20s will already be gone and the 28 pick, as many have said, will not be significantly different than the 33 pick. The Spurs may not get their first or second choice of back-up points, but they'll get their third. The usual bunch of idiots like Dudley, Nichols, Fazekas, McGuire, are none of them sure bets, and we weren't getting our starting SF at that pick, anyway, and as underwhelming as Butler and White have been, they're cheaper to retain than it is to add another player.
It's very underwhelming, but I see the logic to this kind of move. It'll do nothing to help win another championship, but we were going to win on gumption, not youth. It's too bad that two things are going to cost us in the end: 1) picking up Beno's contract, and 2) Oberto opting out of his contract.
Danny Ferry is a bigger moron than I thought
If they dump Beno's salary and replace him with whoever they select at #33 then the increase in Oberto's salary will be negated. Plus it would probably be a little easier for the team to use the full MLE in that instance.
The way they get better is through free agency or through a trade. Of course, they have to be willing to take back a contract as the selling point on most of their tradeable assets is the expiring contract.
I'm not sure why suddenly free agency is not a bad prospect for the Spurs. A guy like Posey is available and is someone who you could use in spurts against perimeter-oriented bigs. It doesn't have to be a Nocioni or Pietrus that the Spurs snag in order to improve their le defense.
one thing makes me confident, that the Spurs will use at least 2 picks instead of trading away.
they have been working out so many players (must be almost 30 up till now), I can't remember when they ever worked out so many. many of them are 2nd round bubble.
and only one was international (Koponen, I didn't hear about another international workout. maybe in Europe and we didn't hear about it).
I take this as a sign, that they rally want to pick players for the team and not think of trading the picks in the first place.
Trading Beno + #28 for a future first will help Spurs to get their long SF via trade or FA :
- If Spurs decide to go after a free agent , this trade will solve roster spots troubles by adding 2 rosters spots and will allow Spurs to have less luxury tax troubles.
- If Spurs decide to get their SF via trade, they will have an extra asset to trade with teh future first round pick.
If Spurs scouting staff don't think there is a good SF available at 28th, this trade makes a lot of sense for Spurs.
Again, who is available in free agency? All it seems to be is: Posey, Pietrus, Nocioni.
If the Spurs are dumping salary, why do you think they'll spend it on a free agent?
What long SF is available in trade or FA?
they want to sign a free agent (for probably the whole MLE), but don't want to pay lux tax?
the dumping of salary could be seen as an indication that this is their plan.
At least among swings.
Because they don't want to pay $1.7 mil for the 3rd string point guard who Pop has given up on twice.If the Spurs are dumping salary, why do you think they'll spend it on a free agent?
So this isn't really about free agents at all, it's just the time-honored approach of using draft picks to dump salary.
James Posey, Matt Barnes (not exactly extra long, but decnt size for a SF), maybe Gerald Wallace.
likely available (depending on the offer): Travis Outlaw, Dunleavy, Khryapa, Iljasova.
It would help to make the addition of up to $5 mil in salary for a free agent using the MLE more palatable. Shave costs elsewhere so that you can focus your resources on what matters.
If you want a list :
Josh Childress
Gerald Wallace
Mickael Pietrus
Matt Barnes
Luke Walton
James Posey
Boris Diaw
James Jones
Jumaine Jones
Ron Artest
Rashard Lewis
Damien Wilkins
Andrei Kirilenko
Matt Harpring
Ryan Gomes
Andres Nocioni
Viktor Khryapa
Devean George
Shane Battier
Corey Maggette
Hakim Warrick
Ruben Patterson
Ersan Ilyasova
Bostjan Nachbar
Renaldo Balkman
Travis Outlaw
Joey Graham
Some of them are pipe dream, some of them sucks, some of them aren't what Spurs needs but you should be able to find some names you like in this list.
Maybe Khryapa from the bulls can be had along with nocioni..Might be wishfull thinking but he comes cheap and will not see the floor much again next season.
I understand the gamble - rolling the dice on a free agent coming. It's like a miniature Jason Kidd scenario, but do you really think there's a plan for any certain free agent? It's as likely just a cost-saving move. Since Udrih is dead weight, then fine, and if we do get a future first out of it, it's better than the waste of the 2009 2nd rounder we used to shave some of Eric Williams' salary. But it's probably wrong to think they're actually after any free agents. The ones available are too expensive and/or flawed to be considered, and then there's the vaunted 2008 Plan. Not that they'll be going after a max free agent, but the value of cap room can be absorbing salary outright. They could wind up using the 2008 Cleveland pick to trade outright for a Josh Childress or somebody.
Looks like a lot of gobbledygook to me. Who is available? Who is cheap? Who is a starter? Who is a good defender?
Mr. Body is free to pick who he likes, thinks is available, cheap and good defender. It's up to the great Mr. Body to decide who are his favourites.
I don't see anyone on that list. I've mentioned Travis Outlaw before, but he's not available.
So you're welcome not to sell this as a free agent spree.
from this list: only Ron Artest. damn.
Boris Diaw?is he a restricted F.A?
Diaw makes quite a lot of money for his production and is, I think, under contract for some years.
If the great Mr. Body don't find a player he likes, Spurs are doomed.
The great Mr. Body should too read what he says. He hasn't asked a free agent list.
What are you talking about? I've seen the friggen free agency lists. I know who's available. I know people here love Gerald Wallace, etc., or Matt Barnes, or so-and-so, but none of them fit. I have no idea what you're talking about, getting sassy wagging your finger like you're telling me off like some ghetto queen. If you love the great Beno Udrih salary dump trade of 2007, sign off and shut up.
If it's a future first and a trade exception, I can see where the Spurs go out and grab a rookie, first year, second year, or third year player with the trade exception once training camp starts and teams figure out their lineups/rotation.
From that list....Joey Graham, Travis Outlaw, Bostjan Nachbar, Viktor Khryapa, and maybe Josh Childress would probably be available for some combination of the trade exception and future picks...
Not a bad idea to grab a guy that has potential and is still developing, but that is still under the rookie contract. They might even have a bigger role if Fin decides to opt out and go elsewhere....
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