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    It's just that the speech Coulter alleged that Edwards gave during the trial sounded similar to the speeches Frist & Co. gave during the Schiavo affair. I do agree that it is off-topic, so I will let it go.
    In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was speaking to the jurors through him:

    "She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out."'

    "She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."
    I'm surprised she didn't say, "My lawyer needs a Jaguar and a haircut."

    Please, since you brought it up, find a similar silly quote from "Frist & Co."

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    Wait a minute. Aren't you now going off topic...?
    Not really, apparently people in this forum find it hard to believe a politician would exploit a tragedy for political gain. but my next post does...

    By the way, Mary Jo Kopeckne was unavailable for comment on Teddy Kennedy's choice of Tuxedo with neck brace attire for his news conference after he left her to drown.

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    In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was speaking to the jurors through him:


    I'm surprised she didn't say, "My lawyer needs a Jaguar and a haircut."

    Please, since you brought it up, find a similar silly quote from "Frist & Co."
    Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), a renowned heart surgeon before becoming Senate majority leader, went to the floor late Thursday night for the second time in 12 hours to argue that Florida doctors had erred in saying Terri Schiavo is in a "persistent vegetative state."

    "I question it based on a review of the video footage which I spent an hour or so looking at last night in my office," he said in a lengthy speech in which he quoted medical texts and standards. "She certainly seems to respond to visual stimuli."

    His comments raised eyebrows in medical and political circles alike. It is not every day that a high-profile physician relies on family videotapes to challenge the diagnosis of doctors who examined a severely brain-damaged patient in person. Democrats were quick to note that Frist was getting rave reviews from conservative activists who will play a major role in the 2008 presidential primaries he is weighing.


    In light of the fact that Schiavo was blind at the time of the video, I would say that Frist's comments were idiotic.

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    Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), a renowned heart surgeon before becoming Senate majority leader, went to the floor late Thursday night for the second time in 12 hours to argue that Florida doctors had erred in saying Terri Schiavo is in a "persistent vegetative state."

    "I question it based on a review of the video footage which I spent an hour or so looking at last night in my office," he said in a lengthy speech in which he quoted medical texts and standards. "She certainly seems to respond to visual stimuli."

    His comments raised eyebrows in medical and political circles alike. It is not every day that a high-profile physician relies on family videotapes to challenge the diagnosis of doctors who examined a severely brain-damaged patient in person. Democrats were quick to note that Frist was getting rave reviews from conservative activists who will play a major role in the 2008 presidential primaries he is weighing.
    He made an opinion based on information available to him. He could have been wrong but, that's a far cry from pretending to channel Terry Schaivo's person.

    That's not the same as saying, "She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

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    Yoni is such a phony.

    A year ago, yoni said that he thinks bush was sent from God to lead us. What "channel" were you on then, yoni?

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    Yoni is such a phony.

    A year ago, yoni said that he thinks bush was sent from God to lead us. What "channel" were you on then, yoni?
    See, I take you off ignore for a second and what do I find. Yet another mischaracterization.

    It is ing funny how your mind works.

    Seeya.

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    mischaracterization

    you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means.

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    I watched the video, then I read the first two pages of this thread and couldn't take it anymore.

    Does anyone see the irony in the fact that Edwards was telling Coulter to quit being negative, then all you board liberals cheer her on, and then all you do is call people names throughout the rest of the thread.

    God I love liberal hypocrisy, "it's ok for us to do it".

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    I watched the video, then I read the first two pages of this thread and couldn't take it anymore.

    Does anyone see the irony in the fact that Edwards was telling Coulter to quit being negative, then all you board liberals cheer her on, and then all you do is call people names throughout the rest of the thread.

    God I love liberal hypocrisy, "it's ok for us to do it".
    Who are all the "board liberals" who are calling people names throughout the thread?

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    Are you kidding? Everytime he's run for office, the death of his son has been brought up by his campaign as if he's relunctantly talking about a personal tragedy for the very first time.

    Yeah, it's sad they lost a child but, when your campaign brings it up...expect to get accused of using it for political purposes.
    Not only that; from page 127 of Godless in a chapter led “Liberals’ Doctrine of Infallibility: Sobbing Hysterical Women”:

    Sheehan was joined in her cause by Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards. Edwards sent out a public letter asking people to “Support Cindy Sheehan’s Right to Be Heard,” which the media almost missed because they were all in Crawford interviewing Cindy Sheehan. Joining the school of thought that says “having a loved on killed violently makes you an expert advocate for liberal policies,” Mrs. Edwards noted that she, too, had a son who died. What is this, some kind of weird club or something?
    Mrs. Edwards complains about Coulter, yet joins forces with Sheehan who has said some pretty nasty things about president Bush. Do I see a double standard here?

    Page 101 of How to Talk to a Liberal, section led “The Party of Ideas”:
    At least when Gephardt exploits a family tragedy, he doesn’t expect praise for not exploiting a family. John Edwards injects his son’s fatal car accident into his campaign by defending that everyone notice how he refuses to inject his son’s fatal car accident into the campaign. Edwards has talked about his son’s death in a 1996 car accident on Good Morning America, in dozens of profiles, and in his hew book – “It was and is the most important fact of my life.” His 1998 senate campaign ads feature film footage of Edwards at a learning lab he founded in honor of his son, led the Wade Edwards Learning Lab. He wears his son’s Outward Bound pin on his suit lapel. He was going to wear it on his sleeve, until someone suggested that might be a little too “on the nose.”

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    Mrs. Edwards complains about Coulter, yet joins forces with Sheehan who has said some pretty nasty things about president Bush. Do I see a double standard here?
    Coulter wishes her husband was killed by a terrorist.
    Coulter calls her husband a got.
    Coulter s all over the memory of Edwards son.

    Sheehan loses a son because of the lies cooked up by BushCo.

    What could these women have to complain about?

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    Coulter wishes her husband was killed by a terrorist.
    Coulter calls her husband a got.
    Coulter s all over the memory of Edwards son.

    Sheehan loses a son because of the lies cooked up by BushCo.

    What could these women have to complain about?
    Place those statements in the correct context and we can debate it. I'm tired of debating the twisted truth and lies.

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    Stupid es all just need to Shut up. These two make Paris look smart.

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    at conservatives lying about what Bill Maher said.

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    Place those statements in the correct context and we can debate it. I'm tired of debating the twisted truth and lies.
    I'm surprised anyone would want to debate their position for defending Ann Coulter, with the premise of arranging her words into some valid point of view. I guess I could request that all Democratic talking heads should focus their attacks on "The Administrations Family", but that would be.....tacky, at best. That's not how progressives live their life. I understand the "rights" MO. They must attack, because this white house has not earned the right to be defended.
    If I were a turncoat republican, then I would focus on the integrity of a "W' that had the the re s photo shopped out of the Bush family portrait and marry that to all his claims about his relationship with God. That's a man with polar opposites. I would then suggest he'd rather lock those re s in a closet while he's giving a speech that amounts to nothing more than a false expression of faith.
    Would you rather talk about someones words, or someones actions?

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    Coulter wishes her husband was killed by a terrorist.
    No she didn't. She said no such thing. She said something close, but the context is in error that you present.
    Coulter calls her husband a got.
    Again, you are wrong. She said she couldn’t use the F-word.
    Coulter s all over the memory of Edwards son.
    If you say so. That's opinion. Since when is pointing out the truth of a cir stance ting on it?
    Sheehan loses a son because of the lies cooked up by BushCo.
    Bull . Sheehan lost a son because he joined the armed forces. He even re-enlisted after the war started. He knew what he was getting into. In this case, Sheehan is ting on the momory of her son!
    What could these women have to complain about?
    Clambake, you are telling lies. What is a lie? here are some typical definitions from an unabridged dictionary:

    lie; n.

    2) That which deceives and disappoints confidence.

    lie; v.t.

    2) To cause an incorrect impression; to present a misleading appearance;

    To say president Bush lied, you must accept the same definition for yourself.

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    Again, you are wrong. She said she couldn’t use the F-word.
    She said that she wanted to talk about Edwards but "you have to go into rehab if you use the word got." How is that not calling him a " got"?

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    Quote:
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    Coulter s all over the memory of Edwards son.

    If you say so. That's opinion. Since when is pointing out the truth of a cir stance ting on it?


    Wouldn't this mean that it could be my opinion that Edwards hasn't used his son for political gain? You and the Yoni types like to inject your opinion as the only correct view on a particular issue such as this one. There is not one bit of proof that Edwards used his son's death (which I find laughable) for political with the exception of your opinion. I suggest you start premising with all of your future crap postings with the words "in my opinion"..

    I was just reading your post and it dawned on me that you refuted clam's argument with your opinion
    If you say so. That's opinion. Since when is pointing out the truth of a cir stance ting on it?[/
    and not anything factual..I think that some of you people on the right don't realize that all , or most, of your beliefs are based on conservative OPINION and your blinded by any other possible reasoning towards an issue..I compare it to you running into an argument with your GOP talking point manual in hand and while reading it you completely ignore what the other person is saying.

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    She said that she wanted to talk about Edwards but "you have to go into rehab if you use the word got." How is that not calling him a " got"?
    OMG! You're right! Coulter called Edwards a got. How could I not see that?

    C'mon, I know you're not as dense as clambake.

    Yes, she called him a got. But, only because he's a regular target of opportunity for her, (Apparently, considering the fund raising associated with Coulter attacks -- so called "Coulter Cash" -- the relationship is symbiotic). If you'll remember was was in the news at the time, the comment was more of a political commentary on the political correctness of Isaiah Washington checking into rehab for phobia.

    I said, at the time, her joke was stupid. It still is. But, it wasn't about calling Edwards a got. Had there been some other stupid, politically correct, nonsense that week -- she would have probably applied that to Edwards as well.

    One of the reasons I'm not a Coulter fan -- sometimes she reaches. But, seriously, if Mr. and Mrs. Edwards can't take it (which, I think their outrage is more feigned for "Coulter Cash" than anything) they shouldn't be in politics.

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    Wouldn't this mean that it could be my opinion that Edwards hasn't used his son for political gain?
    Yes, it would mean that.

    You and the Yoni types like to inject your opinion as the only correct view on a particular issue such as this one.
    It's called, "arguing our position." You don't do the same?

    There is not one bit of proof that Edwards used his son's death (which I find laughable) for political with the exception of your opinion. I suggest you start premising with all of your future crap postings with the words "in my opinion".
    Suggest away...it doesn't make you the king of political discourse. Besides, if one were inclined, and apparently ABC News was with regard to Mrs. Edwards convenient outrage this week, one could probably draw many parallels or correlations between sympathetic news articles and fund-raising or campaign objectives during the races in which Edwards has run.

    I'm not inclined to do that for a stupid forum but, if one were...it is my opinion that's what you'd find. So sue me.

    I was just reading your post and it dawned on me that you refuted clam's argument with your opinion and not anything factual..I think that some of you people on the right don't realize that all , or most, of your beliefs are based on conservative OPINION and your blinded by any other possible reasoning towards an issue..I compare it to you running into an argument with your GOP talking point manual in hand and while reading it you completely ignore what the other person is saying.
    I would really like to get my hands on this "GOP talking points manual," sounds fascinating.

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    But, seriously, if Mr. and Mrs. Edwards can't take it (which, I think their outrage is more feigned for "Coulter Cash" than anything) they shouldn't be in politics.
    Yes least we forget in Yoni's opinion the Edward's have gotten over the death of their child. It's old news now they throw his memory around like a political football.. utterly pathetic


    Edward's son's death is now used conveniently..

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    Yes, it would mean that.


    It's called, "arguing our position." You don't do the same?


    Suggest away...it doesn't make you the king of political discourse. Besides, if one were inclined, and apparently ABC News was with regard to Mrs. Edwards convenient outrage this week, one could probably draw many parallels or correlations between sympathetic news articles and fund-raising or campaign objectives during the races in which Edwards has run.

    I'm not inclined to do that for a stupid forum but, if one were...it is my opinion that's what you'd find. So sue me.


    I would really like to get my hands on this "GOP talking points manual," sounds fascinating.


    Drawing parallels? You mean where bush misled us to go to war for other reasons then why were told? Come on Yoni if were are going to start drawing parallels let's do it for otherr issues as well.. with the Iraq war you don't accept people making comparisons and noting 'coincedences' that have dogged this war from the beginning..

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    Yes least we forget in Yoni's opinion the Edward's have gotten over the death of their child.
    Quote me.

    It's old news now they throw his memory around like a political football.. utterly pathetic
    Not the same as claiming their exploiting his death for political gain but, I'm pretty used the hyperbole and absolutism from the likes of you.

    Edward's son's death is now used conveniently..
    There you go. That's close to what I'm saying. Seriously. It is. And I have absolutely no doubt there is a political operative, within the Edwards campaign that has used something close to those exact words.

    "John, we can use this..."

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    OMG! You're right! Coulter called Edwards a got. How could I not see that?

    C'mon, I know you're not as dense as clambake.

    Yes, she called him a got. But, only because he's a regular target of opportunity for her, (Apparently, considering the fund raising associated with Coulter attacks -- so called "Coulter Cash" -- the relationship is symbiotic). If you'll remember was was in the news at the time, the comment was more of a political commentary on the political correctness of Isaiah Washington checking into rehab for phobia.

    I said, at the time, her joke was stupid. It still is. But, it wasn't about calling Edwards a got. Had there been some other stupid, politically correct, nonsense that week -- she would have probably applied that to Edwards as well.

    One of the reasons I'm not a Coulter fan -- sometimes she reaches. But, seriously, if Mr. and Mrs. Edwards can't take it (which, I think their outrage is more feigned for "Coulter Cash" than anything) they shouldn't be in politics.
    I was merely replying to Wild Cobra's assertion that Coulter did not call Edward's a got. It's clear that she did. Why even argue that point? I agree with you and acknowledge that it was a joke about the Isaiah Washington incident. I also agree that the joke was a little forced and was hardly a commentary on Edwards. I agree that she could have and would have used anybody as the punchline for that joke.

    I cannot, however, fault Elizabeth Edwards for calling her out on the "Ask me about my dead son" crack. It was over the line and Edwards told her that.

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    Quote me.


    Not the same as claiming their exploiting his death for political gain but, I'm pretty used the hyperbole and absolutism from the likes of you.


    There you go. That's close to what I'm saying. Seriously. It is. And I have absolutely no doubt there is a political operative, within the Edwards campaign that has used something close to those exact words.

    "John, we can use this..."

    Yoni you don't get it. I cannot fathom that anyone living with a hole in their heart would use that pain of that for political gain.. Do you think the Edward's like thinking about the death of their child? Because if your right about them they must deal with that pain for no other eason than to manipulate the public..

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