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    But Miles is actually an upgrade over Kennedy.

    Uh... yeah. That's why Kennedy has All Star and ALCS MVP on his resume and gets 2.5 mil and Miles is a career platoon guy that makes 1 mil a year.

    Encarnacion has been our 2nd best hitter since the All Star break.

    Wilson is a below average MLB player? He won the batting le a few years ago and was instrumental in the Cards' post season last year.

    No team in baseball plays the platoon more than the Cards and LaRussa. His whole game is built upon situational lineups and fill-ins.

    Take any team in the MLB and take away their Cy Young winner and starting 3b/2nd best offensive player/best defensive player and see how they fair.

    Not your best post, wildcat.

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    has that ball even landed yet?

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    and here began the demise of brad lidge

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    we still won that series!

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    Uh... yeah. That's why Kennedy has All Star and ALCS MVP on his resume and gets 2.5 mil and Miles is a career platoon guy that makes 1 mil a year.

    Encarnacion has been our 2nd best hitter since the All Star break.

    Wilson is a below average MLB player? He won the batting le a few years ago and was instrumental in the Cards' post season last year.

    No team in baseball plays the platoon more than the Cards and LaRussa. His whole game is built upon situational lineups and fill-ins.

    Take any team in the MLB and take away their Cy Young winner and starting 3b/2nd best offensive player/best defensive player and see how they fair.

    Not your best post, wildcat.
    When was Kennedy an all-star? I can point out many seasons in which he has been one of the worst offensive players in the game - offsetting his solid defense. He was so bad this year that yes - "a career platoon guy" has been a fairly large upgrade.

    When did Wilson win a batting le? better yet, when has he ever hit .285? Wilson has actually been one of the worst OFs in baseball this year. He hasn't been above average since 2005 in Colorado. But if you take into account park effects, he hasn't been above average since 2003.

    Encarnacion has a .778 post-all star OPS. That's not awful, but still below the league average for an OF.

    And I gave you that Carpenter/Rolen are big losses, but you are reaching when you try to turn it into a laundry list of bad luck.

    But c'mon, MAKING STUFF UP is not a good way to prove your point. It's been a long time since I have seen a post in which somebody posted so many factually wrong (and easily disprovable) points in the same post.

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    When was Kennedy an all-star? I can point out many seasons in which he has been one of the worst offensive players in the game - offsetting his solid defense. He was so bad this year that yes - "a career platoon guy" has been a fairly large upgrade.

    When did Wilson win a batting le? better yet, when has he ever hit .285? Wilson has actually been one of the worst OFs in baseball this year. He hasn't been above average since 2005 in Colorado. But if you take into account park effects, he hasn't been above average since 2003.

    Encarnacion has a .778 post-all star OPS. That's not awful, but still below the league average for an OF.

    And I gave you that Carpenter/Rolen are big losses, but you are reaching when you try to turn it into a laundry list of bad luck.

    But c'mon, MAKING STUFF UP is not a good way to prove your point. It's been a long time since I have seen a post in which somebody posted so many factually wrong (and easily disprovable) points in the same post.
    Kennedy was 7th in the AL in 2002 with a .312 ave, and won the ALCS MVP by being the worst offensive player in history (hit .357 (5-for-14) with three home runs and five RBI in series...went 4-for-4 with three HRs in Game 5, totaling 13 total bases, an ALCS record...became 3rd player in history to hit three HRs in an LCS game, 6th time in post-season history)
    You are right, Wilson didn't win a batting le, he was #1 in RBIs in 2003. He was an All Star that year.
    Encarnacion has more HR, TB and RBI per at bat than anyone on the Cards roster the since the break except Ankiel. He is also the only Card to have more RBI than strikeouts during that time.

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    Encarnacion has more HR, TB and RBI per at bat than anyone on the Cards roster the since the break except Ankiel. He is also the only Card to have more RBI than strikeouts during that time.
    Another falsehood...

    First, having more RBIs than K's is nice, but it's a bit of an anomaly - not an overly important stat compared to about 50 others.

    But...

    Rolen also has more RBIs (20) than Ks (18) since the break. So does Pujols (32 vs. 17). So does Molina (20 vs. 19)

    As for HR/AB - Rolen, Pujols, Duncan, Molina, and even Kennedy are averaging more. Then again, Encarnacion's 1 HR per about 40 ABs since the break - not extremely difficult to pass.

    TB per AB - we have a stat for that, it's called slugging. And without doing a whole lot of research, I'm going to guess that Encarnacion's .420 post break slugging percentage - while not completely horrible - probably doesn't rank in the top 3 on the team.

    I know that making up stats can be fun when you are sitting around the room with your friends trying to sound significantly smarter than you really are. But on an internet message board, they are pretty easy to check up on.

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    *Sigh*

    I can't believe you are being such a girl. Here I am trying to show and justify stats for people, altho not spaztic yearly MVP candidates, are very important to the team. I'm not going to get in a little tizzy contest with you, because you are now entering the husker realm of presenting stupid arguements on the baseball board.

    So go run around and tell everyone how correct you are that the Cards are missing no more than a decent pitcher and fielder and everyone else wouldn't even start for Pittsburgh or Tampa. Then take huskers lead and go back to the college forum where you might actually know something.

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    .Here I am trying to show and justify stats for people.
    And every one of those stats has been wrong. Don't get pissed at me because I called your BS.

    If you can't find any real stats to back up your point, have you considered the possibility that your point may be wrong?

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    ... not true. Point valid. Done with topic. Moving on.

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    Its not just Mulder (who is supposed to pitch tmrw) and Carpenter. I defy you to find any team in baseball with as many All Stars and key players out as the Cards have who are still anywhere near being in the race.

    Chris Carpenter SP Elbow Out for the season
    Scott Rolen 3B Shoulder Out for the season
    Adam Kennedy 2B Knee Out for the season
    Preston Wilson RF Knee Out for the season
    Juan Encarnacion RF Head Out for the season
    Josh Kinney RP Elbow Out for the season
    Mark Mulder SP Shoulder DL 15-day DL. Expected to return for first time Sept. 5 start vs. Pittsburgh
    Scott Spiezio 3B Placed on Restricted List
    Josh Han P Deceased

    Additionally, Edmonds and Eckstein have both spent considerable time on the DL and Pujols has been playing over a month with a hamstring injury. If the Cards were truely out of it, Pujols would be on the DL. If the Cards take a nosedive, Tony will put him on the DL immediately.
    i was referring to the entire season... every team has guys injured for a few weeks.

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    a few weeks here and there is one thing.

    Months, and seasons is another.


    Tony laRussa better win manager of the year.

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    cubs suck, they will blow it

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    if the cubs get 1 of the next 3, that should finish the Cards from the race (and i use the word 'race' very loosely) for the central.

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    a few weeks here and there is one thing.

    Months, and seasons is another.


    Tony laRussa better win manager of the year.
    still think he should get manager of the year???

    ya got swept by the reds?

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    I didn't know Managers of the Year had L8 streaks in September in a playoff race.

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    a few weeks here and there is one thing.

    Months, and seasons is another.


    Tony laRussa better win manager of the year.
    Bob Melvin is going to win manager of the year in a runaway.

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    that should do it for the cardinals, even if they take the last 2 in the series, too much ground to be made up.

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    I didn't know Managers of the Year had L8 streaks in September in a playoff race.
    This is where Michael Finley is going to come in and pitch for the Cardinals, saving the day for them and their disappearing head prognosticator.

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    I didn't know Managers of the Year had L8 streaks in September in a playoff race.
    make it 9 in a row after the cubs smashed em up, can we make it 10 in a row tonight???

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    Congrats to the Cubs.

    Lets see how the choke in the playoffs this year, and see what mythological bull they come up with to blame it on this time.

    One time its a goat, another a guy getting a ball in foul territory...

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    A walk-off victory. Something special is happening on the North Side, folks.


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    Go Brew Crew!

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    God I hope the Cubs don't choke. I'm not a big Cubs fan but my sister lives 2 blocks from Wrigley and I want it to be a Indians/Cubs World Series so I can party in Wrigleyville

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    cliff floyd is an idiot with this astros "conspiracy"
    he sure wasn't complaining when he faced Patton and Albers earlier.
    like the cubs never called up prospects at the end of one of their many losing seasons.

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