Is it TD's Team or TP's team in 08

[polandprzem]

, I have to be tired doing such typos like Celtica

[chasky]

In the Four Quarter it is the manu team and allways be there.

[aaronstampler]

This is a new low for TP lovers. According to you guys, it's now an insult to Tony Parker to point out that Tim Duncan is the better player. Good grief. Even LJ has the maturity to not respond to such nonsense.

Too bad I don't.

Don't any of you guys realize that Tony would think you're all re ed for thinking he's the team's best player?

It's pretty simple: Best PF of all time >>>> 5th best PG today. Is that too hard to comprehend?


And yes, I would still put Manu somewhere between the two. You know, since I like understand basketball and stuff.

Something like Tim >>>>>>> Manu >> Tony probably adequately explains it.

Y'all have a lovely day.

[dav4463]

It's OUR TEAM !

[xapatan2]

Notice you threw in the French dig in there. It doesn't matter that Tony is french. It's his game that gets critiqued here. He absolutely deserved to win the Finals MVP but if it's for the playoffs, then Tim wins...no question.
Again, TP is wonderful and a great fit for the Spurs. I'm just saying that there are others that could provide what he does(Not at the same price though).

take the time to read the 5 pages before and you'll see that i do not throw the the french dig here, i am just making a resume of what has been written...

and the rest of your written... ah....

What else can i say... It's been a good six months now that i wish Tony was traded... make no mistake, I have been here abroad a spurs fan since Robinson, so in the early nineties...

but to continue to read so many stupidities such as : "I'm just saying that there are others that could provide what he does(Not at the same price though)" is tiring me and preventing me to post...

Please people, TRADE HIM NOW !!!

[xapatan2]

ok this is only what i think, before the finals started i think TP had his mind set to win the finals MVP, in the 3rd game where he was not doing good, he took that three, he must have thought that his stat line wasn’t great throughout the game, if he would have made that three it would guarantee his chances on winning the MVP, and on the other hand if he would have missed he would have been criticized cuz he is not 3p shooter and there was enough time on the clock to pass it up for a better shot for someone else, he did take the risk and won the hearts of the MVP voter right there, I still think TD should have won the MVP, he rebounded, scored and played amazing defense which only allowed one dunk by Lebron. For some reason the championship felt empty with TD not winning the MVP...

And you start the thread...
can you explain your purpose in starting this thread ?

let me explain it to other :

make a good focus on the bad thing made by Parker, re-interpreting the good thing that he has done....( in bad ones), well in fact, trying to re-write the history in a different way that the reality...

My take is finished with this thread, and the same for the others you might be able to start... i do call that a kind of manipulation and i don't like that...

See you guys, I know we will hear from you as soon as Tony has a subpar game...
Xap

[mathbzh]

This is a new low for TP lovers. According to you guys, it's now an insult to Tony Parker to point out that Tim Duncan is the better player. Good grief. Even LJ has the maturity to not respond to such nonsense.

Too bad I don't.

Don't any of you guys realize that Tony would think you're all re ed for thinking he's the team's best player?

It's pretty simple: Best PF of all time >>>> 5th best PG today. Is that too hard to comprehend?


And yes, I would still put Manu somewhere between the two. You know, since I like understand basketball and stuff.

Something like Tim >>>>>>> Manu >> Tony probably adequately explains it.

Y'all have a lovely day.

Most people here think TD >>> TP. The problem is just that there is so much TP haters here.

TP is 25 yo and improves every years, average 24 ppg in the finals, score in double digits in all the playoff games, is the starting PG for the best team in the league since he is 19 yo, improves every year, score at a ridiculous %, finally has a jumpshot and may become a serious 3 pt threat...

Pop is the more intransigent coach, he had a chance to land Kidd here and finally he had faith in Parker (despite a poor playoff run).

But it is not enough for TP haters...
For them "basketball genius", Pop is probably a moron, a guy who didn't detect the poor-selfish-French-inconsistent PG in Parker.

Of course Parker is not the best Spurs (I think Duncan >>> Parker = Ginobili).
But for 4 games he was on the same level than Duncan. I don't see the shame in Parker receiving the MVP, I don't understand why there is so much anger against him. Without Duncan OR Ginobili OR Parker we would probably have lose the series against the Suns. Bashing Parker will not make Duncan/Gino greater.

Despite being the greatest PF ever Duncan needed Robinson, Parker and Ginobili (and all the other players) to have 4 rings. If Duncan had landed in the wolves instead of Garnett (and KG here), maybe KG would have been the one in the "GOAT?" debate and Duncan the ringless one. So stop saing anyone could do the Parker job when Duncan can't be replaced.

[waly.mg]

The Defense never won the MVP

If Ben Wallace don´t won this award, never the Best Defender won the Trophy

The Key of the Spurs Championship, and the Spurs Dinasty is Tim Duncan and Defense

Tony isn´t a good defender, so he never will be the Key of the Victory, the Duncan´s Defense in the Finals, was amazing, like BB´s Defense, and this was the Key

If Tony scores 30 points a game, and the Spurs don´t play D, the NBA Finals MVP had been Lebron James and the Cavs the Champions

What percentage of the Defense is thanks to Tony?

Tim and Bruce Plays amazing D, Manu and Oberto plays good D, and Tony Plays Steve Nash´s D

[da_suns_fan__]

Its Eva's team.

[spursfan09]

The Defense never won the MVP

If Ben Wallace don´t won this award, never the Best Defender won the Trophy

The Key of the Spurs Championship, and the Spurs Dinasty is Tim Duncan and Defense

Tony isn´t a good defender, so he never will be the Key of the Victory, the Duncan´s Defense in the Finals, was amazing, like BB´s Defense, and this was the Key

If Tony scores 30 points a game, and the Spurs don´t play D, the NBA Finals MVP had been Lebron James and the Cavs the Champions

What percentage of the Defense is thanks to Tony?

Tim and Bruce Plays amazing D, Manu and Oberto plays good D, and Tony Plays Steve Nash´s D

and why should we take anything you say about Parker serious? You have a pail over his head in your pic under your name, and pic of an Argentine flag.

[spursfan09]

Most people here think TD >>> TP. The problem is just that there is so much TP haters here.

TP is 25 yo and improves every years, average 24 ppg in the finals, score in double digits in all the playoff games, is the starting PG for the best team in the league since he is 19 yo, improves every year, score at a ridiculous %, finally has a jumpshot and may become a serious 3 pt threat...

Pop is the more intransigent coach, he had a chance to land Kidd here and finally he had faith in Parker (despite a poor playoff run).

But it is not enough for TP haters...
For them "basketball genius", Pop is probably a moron, a guy who didn't detect the poor-selfish-French-inconsistent PG in Parker.

Of course Parker is not the best Spurs (I think Duncan >>> Parker = Ginobili).
But for 4 games he was on the same level than Duncan. I don't see the shame in Parker receiving the MVP, I don't understand why there is so much anger against him. Without Duncan OR Ginobili OR Parker we would probably have lose the series against the Suns. Bashing Parker will not make Duncan/Gino greater.

Despite being the greatest PF ever Duncan needed Robinson, Parker and Ginobili (and all the other players) to have 4 rings. If Duncan had landed in the wolves instead of Garnett (and KG here), maybe KG would have been the one in the "GOAT?" debate and Duncan the ringless one. So stop saing anyone could do the Parker job when Duncan can't be replaced.

You are preaching to the wrong guy.He is the biggest hater of them all. Don't waste your time.

[BIG z]

You are preaching to the wrong guy.He is the biggest hater of them all. Don't waste your time.

Then again TP is a fake, believe it or not..

[spursfan09]

TP is a fake? Oh well as long as he keeps playing this great and winning championships he can be as fake as he wants then.

[BIG z]

O well its TD's Team with out a question..

[ducks]

The Defense never won the MVP

If Ben Wallace don´t won this award, never the Best Defender won the Trophy

The Key of the Spurs Championship, and the Spurs Dinasty is Tim Duncan and Defense

Tony isn´t a good defender, so he never will be the Key of the Victory, the Duncan´s Defense in the Finals, was amazing, like BB´s Defense, and this was the Key

If Tony scores 30 points a game, and the Spurs don´t play D, the NBA Finals MVP had been Lebron James and the Cavs the Champions

What percentage of the Defense is thanks to Tony?

Tim and Bruce Plays amazing D, Manu and Oberto plays good D, and Tony Plays Steve Nash´s D

if tony is a bad defender who the ing shut down the 6 man of the year?

this is duncan's team
but tp is good not just because of duncan

[spursfan09]

So then why'd you ask the question if you already knew?

Anyways I agree these are TD's Spurs.

[ducks]

Notice you threw in the French dig in there. It doesn't matter that Tony is french. It's his game that gets critiqued here. He absolutely deserved to win the Finals MVP but if it's for the playoffs, then Tim wins...no question.
Again, TP is wonderful and a great fit for the Spurs. I'm just saying that there are others that could provide what he does(Not at the same price though).

tony came to play against the suns in game one
tony had the best game as a spur in game one
without that spurs win in game one suns beat the spurs


duncan is the man but without tp they do not beat the suns

[milkyway21]

tony came to play against the suns in game one
tony had the best game as a spur in game one
without that spurs win in game one suns beat the spurs


duncan is the man but without tp they do not beat the suns

TP owns game 1.
while;

Duncan (only ) averaging 27 pts, 14 rbds against the Suns.
Game 6-almost a triple-double-24 pts, 13 rbds, & 9 blocks.

&
Manu closed games 5 & 6.

TEAM EFFORT.

special mention : Bruce & Horry
no need explainin'

[aaronstampler]

Most people here think TD >>> TP. The problem is just that there is so much TP haters here.

TP is 25 yo and improves every years, average 24 ppg in the finals, score in double digits in all the playoff games, is the starting PG for the best team in the league since he is 19 yo, improves every year, score at a ridiculous %, finally has a jumpshot and may become a serious 3 pt threat...

Pop is the more intransigent coach, he had a chance to land Kidd here and finally he had faith in Parker (despite a poor playoff run).

But it is not enough for TP haters...
For them "basketball genius", Pop is probably a moron, a guy who didn't detect the poor-selfish-French-inconsistent PG in Parker.

Of course Parker is not the best Spurs (I think Duncan >>> Parker = Ginobili).
But for 4 games he was on the same level than Duncan. I don't see the shame in Parker receiving the MVP, I don't understand why there is so much anger against him. Without Duncan OR Ginobili OR Parker we would probably have lose the series against the Suns. Bashing Parker will not make Duncan/Gino greater.

Despite being the greatest PF ever Duncan needed Robinson, Parker and Ginobili (and all the other players) to have 4 rings. If Duncan had landed in the wolves instead of Garnett (and KG here), maybe KG would have been the one in the "GOAT?" debate and Duncan the ringless one. So stop saing anyone could do the Parker job when Duncan can't be replaced.

<<

Nobody hates Tony. The person who started the thread asked if Tony will be the man on the Spurs next year. Saying " no" isn't hating Tony. There isn't a guy in the NBA, including LeBron, Kobe, whoever, that you can put on the Spurs and have me say, "screw Tim, this guy is the man now."

We've got the best player in the NBA, and it boggles my mind how some people can't appreciate or understand that. Without Tony (or Manu) we'd have beaten the Cavs in 6 games. Without Tim they'd sweep us. It's really that simple.

Also, the one thing, the only thing really, that bothers me about Tony's game, is it seems to me that all his efforts to improve his game during offseasons always center around his scoring. You've listed the improvement yourself. Better jumpshooting, better free throws, better threes, higher FG %, etc. That's all fine and dandy. I respect that Tony works hard during the summer to improve. I've even noticed that he became a better defender this past year. But good golly, the guy is our starting point guard. And never, not once, have I ever heard him utter a peep about wanting to be a better passer or a better floor leader the next season. I think I'd faint if I ever heard Tony say something like, "I wanna average 8 assists a game next season."

I think a lot of people in the NBA respect Tony as a scorer, but he still has room for improvement to be seen as an elite point guard. What concerns me is when he gets a Finals MVP award for scoring 24 points, but only averaging 3 assists, including just one in Game 4. People have to realize that kind of thing is a fluke and it only worked out because the Cavs are really, really ing awful. If Tony goes into the next season with the mentality of more scoring, less passing, it will not lead to good things. And don't even get me started on the relevation that Pop is giving Tony the green light again to shooting threes next season. I have a feeling that's going to make me go gray prematurely.

[Supreme_Being]

Since when did Tim or Tony acquire the Spurs?

As far as I'm aware, the Spurs is owned by Holt.

[mathbzh]

<<

Nobody hates Tony. The person who started the thread asked if Tony will be the man on the Spurs next year. Saying " no" isn't hating Tony. There isn't a guy in the NBA, including LeBron, Kobe, whoever, that you can put on the Spurs and have me say, "screw Tim, this guy is the man now."

We've got the best player in the NBA, and it boggles my mind how some people can't appreciate or understand that. Without Tony (or Manu) we'd have beaten the Cavs in 6 games. Without Tim they'd sweep us. It's really that simple.

Also, the one thing, the only thing really, that bothers me about Tony's game, is it seems to me that all his efforts to improve his game during offseasons always center around his scoring. You've listed the improvement yourself. Better jumpshooting, better free throws, better threes, higher FG %, etc. That's all fine and dandy. I respect that Tony works hard during the summer to improve. I've even noticed that he became a better defender this past year. But good golly, the guy is our starting point guard. And never, not once, have I ever heard him utter a peep about wanting to be a better passer or a better floor leader the next season. I think I'd faint if I ever heard Tony say something like, "I wanna average 8 assists a game next season."

I think a lot of people in the NBA respect Tony as a scorer, but he still has room for improvement to be seen as an elite point guard. What concerns me is when he gets a Finals MVP award for scoring 24 points, but only averaging 3 assists, including just one in Game 4. People have to realize that kind of thing is a fluke and it only worked out because the Cavs are really, really ing awful. If Tony goes into the next season with the mentality of more scoring, less passing, it will not lead to good things. And don't even get me started on the relevation that Pop is giving Tony the green light again to shooting threes next season. I have a feeling that's going to make me go gray prematurely.

Written that way I agree 100% with you. As I said the answer to the question "TD or TP team?" is obvious. But if you go through the thread you see a lot of Tony haters exposed. Then look for the MVP discussion... more haters. I believe Tim should have received the MVP for he is domininating on both end. But the MVP for Tony was not shocking. Maybe Duncan should receive more consideration for what he did and what he does but you don't have to disrespect Tony for that.

[romain.star]

The spurs players deserve real fans... to much blind men here... Is it a Texan speciality?

[Extra Stout]

These people coming in here and saying Tony Parker is "inconsistent" or "a ball hog" or "selfish" are even more stupid than the ones saying he might win NBA regular-season MVP.

Tony Parker is nothing more and nothing less than the best finisher at the rim in the NBA. He is a terrific scorer. Basically no other guards in the league shoot the percentage he does. Even so, Pop has to exhort him to shoot more all the time because Tony is a team player and wants to defer to Tim. He is anything but selfish. Even when he won that Finals MVP, he readily admitted that the trophy should have Tim Duncan's name on it and joked that he was just "borrowing" it.

Tony is an OK defender who will never be great because of his size. He does not have great court vision, so most of his assists come off breaking down the other team's defense with his penetration. So he's not Oscar Robertson. He's not an MVP-caliber PG like Nash or Kidd, or a dominant player like Baron Davis (when healthy). But man, what do you people want? Elite supporting players are not exactly easy to find.

Does this happen with fans of other teams? Are there Mavericks fans who either slobknob on Josh Howard or hate him and want to see him fail? Do Rockets fans either worship Yao Ming or secretly hope his foot gets hurt so they can feature TMac some more? Or is this mental pathology unique to Spurs fandom?

[Marcus Bryant]

I think a lot of people in the NBA respect Tony as a scorer, but he still has room for improvement to be seen as an elite point guard. What concerns me is when he gets a Finals MVP award for scoring 24 points, but only averaging 3 assists, including just one in Game 4. People have to realize that kind of thing is a fluke and it only worked out because the Cavs are really, really ing awful. If Tony goes into the next season with the mentality of more scoring, less passing, it will not lead to good things. And don't even get me started on the relevation that Pop is giving Tony the green light again to shooting threes next season. I have a feeling that's going to make me go gray prematurely.

Parker is already seen as an elite point in the L.

[spursfan09]

Does this happen with fans of other teams? Are there Mavericks fans who either slobknob on Josh Howard or hate him and want to see him fail? Do Rockets fans either worship Yao Ming or secretly hope his foot gets hurt so they can feature TMac some more? Or is this mental pathology unique to Spurs fandom?

I think its just a Spurs fan thing.