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    http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sports...?event_id=3039

    4) If it is proven, what should happen to NBA referees?

    - Just that one referee should be fired
    - All current referees should be let go and the NBA should start over
    - I have no opinion
    Seriously, who writes these polls for ESPN???

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    Well if he kept Malone from getting a ring at least his corruption served a noble cause


    Was he also the reason Kobe started playing 1 on 5?

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    I know he reffed Toronto in New Jersey (of all places) game 6 Eastern Conference First Round. New Jersey did not beat the spread- but how do you know which way they wanted it to turnout, if true. Seems like most people thought they would after the blowouts in NJ in G 3 & 4.

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    2007 SPURS vs. SUNS GAME 3

    http://www.nba.com/games/20070512/PHXSAS/gameinfo.html

    Officials:
    #21 Tim Donaghy
    #32 Eddie F. Rush
    #57 Greg Willard

    This was the game where Amare was in foul trouble and D'Antoni picked up a technical with 7 minutes in the game. The Spurs took like 9 more free throws than the Suns

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    This is old news. What breaking news is next? That boxing may also be controlled by the mob?

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    2007 SPURS vs. SUNS GAME 3

    http://www.nba.com/games/20070512/PHXSAS/gameinfo.html

    Officials:
    #21 Tim Donaghy
    #32 Eddie F. Rush
    #57 Greg Willard

    This was the game where Amare was in foul trouble and D'Antoni picked up a technical with 7 minutes in the game. The Spurs took like 9 more free throws than the Suns
    D'Antoni? Italian??? Donaghy must be working for the Yakuza.

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    This won't be good for the NBA. The media already looks for anything it can to try to tear the NBA down. This will just give the media more ammunition.

    However, Tim Donaghy isn't that huge of a name. His not a no name ref but he's nowhere near a Bavetta or even Salvatore.

    What's funny is Pop always hated Donaghy. He'd ride his azz every game he was on the crew. Pop is probably the least shocked person in the league.

    And yeah, shading for a spread because you got in too deep with the mob is a whole of a lot different than following some secret David Stern plot. Those dots don't even connect.

    Hopefully this leads to more strict rules and regulations regarding refs. The NBA should not only do background checks but also regular and random checks to see who refs are associating with. These guys are paid big bucks to be impartial.

    I feel kinda bad for Donaghy because he was actually a good ref in his early years. But lately, now that I think about it, he had started to fall off.

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    No surprise to me at all.

    And if anyone thinks it is just one ref manipulating things, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

    LakerLanny............VINDICATED.

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    This is old news.
    Is it really? I know I've heard the conspiracy theories about Stern fixing games so big market teams are more likely to win, but I had never heard about a points-shaving scheme in the NBA.

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    I remember the game where Sheed got suspended for 7 games after he threatened Donaghy at the loading dock of the Rose Garden. Donaghy was HORRIBLE! He was so biased in his officiating it was ridiculous.

    I can hear Sheed now... "Jail don't lie!"


    Classic.

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    Is it really? I know I've heard the conspiracy theories about Stern fixing games so big market teams are more likely to win, but I had never heard about a points-shaving scheme in the NBA.
    I think the Mob being invovled in sports was big back in the day, but never doubted the Mob being involved in sports today. All sports. Its not that hard to shave points.

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    I think the Mob being invovled in sports was big back in the day, but never doubted the Mob being involved in sports today. All sports. Its not that hard to shave points.

    you must be connected or something to have such a deep understanding of the mob and its schemes

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    you must be connected or something to have such a deep understanding of the mob and its schemes


    Yeah. That's it.

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    David Stern is not a happy camper right now. He has worked hard to keep a clean image for the NBA and now this happens. Bud Selig and Roger Gooddell must be kind of happy right now.

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    This KILLS any team going to Las Vegas while Stern is Commissioner. At least I would think so given his previous concerns.
    you can't bet on UNLV games in Vegas I'm sure any team coming here would have the same limitation.

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    But lately, now that I think about it, he had started to fall off.
    LMFAO..

    Lately, now that I've heard he was shaving points, I realized he started to fall off....

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    No surprise to me at all.

    And if anyone thinks it is just one ref manipulating things, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
    the lakers have benefited more than any other team as far as manipulating Lanny, be real.

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    The Donaghy Fileposted: Friday, July 20, 2007 | Print Entry

    I've had the opportunity to speak with a good number of NBA referees throughout my journalism career, oftentimes as a pool reporter getting an explanation for a rules interpretation, other times in more casual settings such as a hotel bar or concierge lounge.

    In those latter encounters, different refs have dispensed differing amounts of information, but one topic they all have enjoyed kvetching about is their perceptions, and the public's perceptions, of specific referees. In other words, they enjoy gossiping about one another.

    One topic that never got old in my conversations with referees over the past 2½ years was the brawl at the Palace of Auburn Hills, which was officiated by Ronnie Garretson, Tommy Nunez Jr. and Tim Donaghy -- the latter of whom has been identified as the referee under investigation by the FBI for allegedly gambling on games he officiated.

    Now, I had never heard any kind of allegations related to gambling, and to be extra clear, we don't have any available evidence that there was intentional tampering going on here. But I did hear a number of complaints about the way the officiating crew handled -- or mishandled, as the case might be -- the bedlam that broke out at the Palace on Nov. 19, 2004, after Ben Wallace, then of the Pistons, shoved Ron Artest, then of the Pacers, to incite one of the ugliest brawls in American sports history.

    The feeling among many referees was that Garretson and Donaghy, the two senior referees, could have been much more assertive in calming things down before the incident hit its flash point when a fan threw a cup of ice at Artest as he lay prone on the scorer's table. The NBA has never divulged whether Garretson, Donaghy or Nunez were disciplined for their handling of the brawl, but I can assure you that several referees who did not work the game found fault with what appeared to them to be a lackadaisical approach toward controlling a situation that quickly spun violently out of control. I've reviewed raw ESPN videotape of the brawl at our offices in Bristol, and I have to say the complaints about Garretson and Donaghy seem to have merit.

    Donaghy also was involved in another controversy a few years back when he engaged in a shouting match with Rasheed Wallace on the loading dock of The Rose Garden in Portland, an incident that led to a seven-game suspension for Wallace, who was then with the Portland Trail Blazers. Donaghy and the two other referees who had worked that game passed by Wallace as they walked to their cars, and Wallace was said to have threatened Donaghy, who had assessed him a technical foul earlier that night during a Grizzlies-Blazers game.


    Donaghy, a baby-faced 40, is one of four NBA referees to have graduated from Cardinal O'Hara high school in Philadelphia. The others are Joey Crawford, Mike Callahan and Ed Malloy.


    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...sheridan_chris

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    LMFAO..

    Lately, now that I've heard he was shaving points, I realized he started to fall off....
    LMFAO..

    It's called watching NBA games and noticing the bad refs.

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    LMFAO..

    It's called watching NBA games and noticing the bad refs.
    Noticing afterwards...

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    Noticing afterwards...
    My bad. Next time I will try to out the refs before the FBI does.

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    My bad. Next time I will try to out the refs before the FBI does.
    I knew about this over a year ago, but I didn't want to say anything....

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    Hmmm. Donaghy. That's interesting, but it also makes a lot of sense now that I think about it a bit.
    Being the resident referee expert, is there anything else you can point to Donaghy that makes this not too surprising? Did you ref less games this year in the playoffs than usual?

    I noticed a decline in his effectiveness. And it seems like he's called a lot more technical fouls in the last couple years.

    Have you also noticed a decline in his abilities as of late?

    Pop has hated him recently. CIA > FBI?


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    I knew about this over a year ago, but I didn't want to say anything....
    Hopefully you at least cashed in on the right spreads.

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