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  1. #151
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    I don't think Pop made any huge blunders in the 06 series
    There's your first mistake.

    The Mavs were built to beat the Spurs
    That's nice to repeat. I hear it a lot on the radio. Every move Mark Cuban has made over the last seven years has been to try to beat the Spurs.

    Strange as it may sound, I'd rather face San Antonio in the playoffs than Phoenix. Up-tempo teams just give us trouble, we were built more for traditional halfcourt teams like the Spurs.
    That just makes no sense. Not even taking into consideration the game where Dallas decided not to show up, they had a relatively easy series against Phoenix. Considering that lead they choked away in game 1, they should have won the series in five games.

    And allow me to say it again: the 2006 Spurs team that the Mavericks beat was not the traditional Spurs team. They turned the games into a shootout and tried to outscore them. The Mavericks almost ran out of time because an undermanned and injured Spurs team actually started to figure out how to play defense toward the end of the series. Too bad they didn't play defense in the first half of game seven, which is ultimately what killed them. I don't see how you can feel good about the Mavs' chances against a team they squeaked by while they were under such turmoil. I think the only way the Spurs can lose to the Mavericks in a playoff series is if they do something stupider than they did in 2006, and frankly it looks to me like you're whistling through the graveyard.

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    That just makes no sense. Not even taking into consideration the game where Dallas decided not to show up, they had a relatively easy series against Phoenix. Considering that lead they choked away in game 1, they should have won the series in five games.
    Dallas just has no answer for Amare, he makes a big difference. It's all about matchups. We get consistently lit up by Nash, who plays with a chip on his shoulder against Dallas. You talk about how "superior" teams should never adjust on the fly and should just continue to play their game and that doesn't always make sense. Take Erick Dampier for example. It's not like he shuts anybody down, at the end of the day, Amare and Duncan are going to get their numbers against him, but we can afford to put him out there without doubleteaming all the time. It became very obvious halfway through the first quarter of G1 against Phoenix in the 06 Conference Finals that Dampier was useless, because he couldn't follow Tim Thomas out to the perimeter, where he camped out to shoot threes. So Avery sat him. Pop did what he had to do against Dallas.

    I don't see how you can feel good about the chances against a team when you barely beat them under such turmoil. I think the only way the Spurs can lose to the Mavericks in a playoff series is if they do something stupider than they did in 2006, and frankly it looks to me like you're whistling through the graveyard
    Again, I think you exaggerate how "banged up" and "undermanned" the Spurs were, and I don't question why Pop went small, there was nobody for Rasho and Nazr to guard. We're talking in circles here and both refusing to concede certain points, so I think we'll largely have to agree to disagree. I'll take my chances in a series against the Spurs, nothing guaranteed, but the lack of a playmaking PG who can create for others (maybe Devin can grow into the role), the lack of a defensive perimeter stopper against the likes of Nash, Davis, TMAC and Wade (again, maybe Devin can mature into that role), along with a lack of reliable postscoring, means I don't think this team has what it takes to win four straight rounds.

    It's small consolation that the Mavs have the unique matchups to hang with the Spurs, but don't have the roster flexibility to be able to matchup against gimmick teams like Golden State. And we don't need a beast like Amare or Duncan, , just somebody like Juwan Howard to keep defenses honest. You need guys like Dampier and Diop to deal with Duncan, Yao, Boozer and Amare in order to get out of the West, but we get no offense from those guys, and that's an achilles heel against smallball teams like Golden State and Phoenix.

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    I agree. We'll have to just wait and see how it shakes out. I'll be interested to see how long Damp or Diop can cover Duncan on two good feet without a double team or without fouling out.

    Back to the topic, there aren't ten players in the world better than Dirk.

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    I agree. We'll have to just wait and see how it shakes out. I'll be interested to see how long Damp or Diop can cover Duncan on two good feet without a double team or without fouling out.

    Back to the topic, there aren't ten players in the world better than Dirk.
    In my book, there's only about four: Duncan, Kobe, Wade and LeBron.

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    I think that I could probably devise some metric that makes Dirk look as bad as possible (like rebounding adjusted by position), but I wouldn't honestly believe that he wasn't in the top ten. I don't consider him top five, though. Defense matters.

    (Yes, I realize that is a bit ironic coming from someone with the Reggie Miller screen name.)

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    I think that I could probably devise some metric that makes Dirk look as bad as possible (like rebounding adjusted by position), but I wouldn't honestly believe that he wasn't in the top ten. I don't consider him top five, though. Defense matters.

    (Yes, I realize that is a bit ironic coming from someone with the Reggie Miller screen name.)
    Who do you have ahead of him?

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    Who do you have ahead of him?
    Duncan
    Shaq
    Garnett
    Yao
    Kobe

    Not necessarily in that order. By the end of next season, Dirk could crack the top five. I think Shaq is in steady decline by this point. Dirk's game doesn't allow him to get some of the rebounds and defensive counting stats that you expect from a player his size. That's my only knock on him. The issue isn't his relative mental toughness, it's his lack of a post game.

    I will say that Dirk is one of my favorite players not on the Pacers or Spurs. Hard drinking Germans are fun when they aren't invading other nations.

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    Hard drinking Germans are fun when they aren't invading other nations.

    Word.

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    you got that from freedarko, right?

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    Duncan
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    Not necessarily in that order. By the end of next season, Dirk could crack the top five. I think Shaq is in steady decline by this point. Dirk's game doesn't allow him to get some of the rebounds and defensive counting stats that you expect from a player his size. That's my only knock on him. The issue isn't his relative mental toughness, it's his lack of a post game.

    I will say that Dirk is one of my favorite players not on the Pacers or Spurs. Hard drinking Germans are fun when they aren't invading other nations.
    Hmm, I respect your opinion Reggie, so I'll just say that I'm mildly intrigued that you still consider Shaq a top-five player, but as you noted, he's in a steady decline.

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    Hmm, I respect your opinion Reggie, so I'll just say that I'm mildly intrigued that you still consider Shaq a top-five player, but as you noted, he's in a steady decline.
    True Confession: In my mind, I had Dirk pegged at #6 or #7. When I sat down to come up with 5 or 6 names, it got pretty difficult. Shaq still has flashes of dominance, but that was a reach. Dirk probably is the fifth best player in the world. Somehow, I feel like I'm forgetting someone, though.

    I have Dirk above LeBron, becuase I don't give a rat's ass about potential. The kid can dunk. Wake me when he can hit a jumper or post up Bruce Bowen. LeBron could easily prove to be a better player, but he's not today.

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    Like I said, I still have to put Wade in there just because of the do ented difference in stepping up.

    And I agree Shaq is not a top five anymore.

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    True Confession: In my mind, I had Dirk pegged at #6 or #7. When I sat down to come up with 5 or 6 names, it got pretty difficult. Shaq still has flashes of dominance, but that was a reach. Dirk probably is the fifth best player in the world. Somehow, I feel like I'm forgetting someone, though.

    I have Dirk above LeBron, becuase I don't give a rat's ass about potential. The kid can dunk. Wake me when he can hit a jumper or post up Bruce Bowen. LeBron could easily prove to be a better player, but he's not today.
    Yeah, I might be reaching by putting LeBron above Dirk, but what about Wade? He showed a killer instinct in the Finals that Dirk lacked. Or do you attribute that to the floor opening up because of the doubleteams on Shaq?

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    Like I said, I still have to put Wade in there just because of the do ented difference in stepping up to the foul line.
    fixed

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    Like I said, I still have to put Wade in there just because of the do ented difference in stepping up to the foul line.
    fixed

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    you got that from freedarko, right?
    Yeah, I just happened to remember it when I read the "hard drinking German" thing.

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    Shaq is still the nightmare that everyone has to try to figure out a way to defend. He makes everyone better just by the amount of game-planning he costs the opposing coaching staff. Over the hill or no, he's capable of pulling down 20 and 20 any given night on a very high field goal percentage, which is something very few players can do.

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    Yeah, I just happened to remember it when I read the "hard drinking German" thing.
    Is it just me or has Shoals degenerated into a parody of himself at this point? Half the time I can't tell what the he's talking about. Still, great comments section. Most of the time I skip the article and head straight there.

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    Is it just me or has Shoals degenerated into a parody of himself at this point? Half the time I can't tell what the he's talking about. Still, great comments section. Most of the time I skip the article and head straight there.
    I don't know that I'd ever read him until the playoffs. He provided so much insight to me why people hate the Spurs; it's allowed me to really enjoy the suffering of opposing fans, especially those of the Suns.

    Wait, I remember his " " picture when Finley signed with the Spurs. Other than that, I don't know.

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    I don't know that I'd ever read him until the playoffs. He provided so much insight to me why people hate the Spurs; it's allowed me to really enjoy the suffering of opposing fans, especially those of the Suns.

    Wait, I remember his " " picture when Finley signed with the Spurs. Other than that, I don't know.
    Yeah, he's definitely a Spurs hater. I think it's okay to hate the Spurs, it's just got to be for the right reasons (envy, as opposed to "they're boring").

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    Yeah, he's definitely a Spurs hater. I think it's okay to hate the Spurs, it's just got to be for the right reasons (envy, as opposed to "they're boring").
    Yeah, I should point some of the "we don't get no respect" Spurs fans that direction. It's very enlightening. I hated Jordan's Bulls for the same reason.

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    Yeah, I should point some of the "we don't get no respect" Spurs fans that direction. It's very enlightening. I hated Jordan's Bulls for the same reason.
    I was so happy when Shaq got shipped to Miami, because the Lakers definitely had one, maybe two les left in them with that duo. Whether the Spurs win 3 more les or zero, their fans can be assured that the Duncan Era will live up to its potential. There's no chance that egos or lockerroom jealousies could ever derail this team. Just as D-Rob stepped aside and took a supporting role, Timmy will do the same when it's time. Kobe and Shaq were two huge drama queens.

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    I was so happy when Shaq got shipped to Miami, because the Lakers definitely had one, maybe two les left in them with that duo.
    You might say Shaq took Kobe's fourth ring with him to Miami.

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    You might say Shaq took Kobe's fourth ring with him to Miami.
    I bet it annoyed Kobe to no end to watch Shaq willingly accept the sidekick role in the 06 playoffs.

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    Yeah, I might be reaching by putting LeBron above Dirk, but what about Wade? He showed a killer instinct in the Finals that Dirk lacked. Or do you attribute that to the floor opening up because of the doubleteams on Shaq?
    From what I saw of those Finals (I more or less quit watching the playoffs after both of my teams were eliminated), Shaq still commands enough respect in the postseason to make it pretty easy for Wade. Also, the Finals left such a bad impression that it may subconsciously affect my appreciation of Wade's game. Talk about winning ugly.

    Wade's size may make for a short career. How many injuries has he had already? (Real question. I can't remember.) I guess I dismiss him as another slashing guard. These guys usually aren't productive long term, unless they develop a reliable jumper and stay healthy. Wade is a decent shooter who may get better, but I really question his longevity.

    Bottom line: I think I may be too biased to say that a short, often-injured guard is one of the five best players in the world, even if he was in fact one of the five best players in the world.

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