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Gasol and Papadopulos could do this very easy. Have no Amerikan even watch the national teams play?
They not understand Euroleague stats I try many times educate them and they get very poor at ude. And some fan here who say they watch Euroleague make it worse by say stats means same thing in league as NBA. They not understand the NBA fan that NBA stat of player mean much more because game bases on good play of individual best player but Euroleague bases on team unless some team play NBA style like Efes or Olympiacos but very few team do. They want know stat mean same thing then look at Olympiacos team.
But it have no similar meaning as NBA stats does for team like TAU, Panathinaikos, CSKA team like these but they just not get this in Amerika.
Gasol and Papadopulos could do this very easy. Have no Amerikan even watch the national teams play?
No Papadoupulos very very skill center. In NBA he will be consider similar to Chris kaman I say. You think of two different player.
Hey say he will never join NBA he was to sign with the team Celtics but he change his mind. He does this and say he never go NBA because of what happen to Spanoulis. Amerikan fan say this mean he scare he will 'suck" but he say if Spanoulis get treat this way then he never go NBA because in national team Spanoulis top player in practice. Papaloukas get full mle offer from the team the Lakers, Celtics, Hawks and the Heats of Miami.
The NBA fan refuse believe what player like Papaloukas can do or what Diamantidies can do in the defense Bruce Bowen is very poor defender compares to him but the Amerikan fan laugh at this. It oka we used before in Europe know NBA is much better but now we know Euroleague is much nearer NBA and just because Amerikan fans not know it who care. They just deny it but US team if lose again in Olympic then Amerikan fan at ude about NBA and Euroleague will be just big joke in Europe.
He is not compare at all to Scola but he is very much to young to compare but he can not be consider one of best C of Europe this is false.Hi!!!!!!!! I'm from Spain and I'm a real fan of TAU so I know quite good Splitter
Never heard of something called playing time ?
Try to look at something like rebounds per minute.
No he was not great player in Europe. NBA fan have crazy idea all foreign player in NBA must be bestest player from Euroleague sorry NOT true for Oberto.
Are you kidding me? Per minute... Somebody who gives up easily?
againTiago 5,8 rpg 14 ppg ACB season 2007-2008
http://www.acb.com/jugador.php?id=B5P
Oberto 7,27 rpg (10th in ACB) 14,1 ppg FG 65,41% (1st ACB) in last season (2004-2005)
http://www.acb.com/stsa jug.php?cod_jugador=A4H
http://www.acb.com/stsindiv.php?cod...=49&cod_fase=LR
http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=24579 and so many like this.
I easier to get the rebound in NBA. Look at the shoot percentage of NBA and compare to Europe. if you not able get this no hope for you.
Many people say Scola bad rebounder because he can get 6-7 rebound in Europe but in NBA he can get 8-10 in same play time simple because many more shots be miss in NBA. This basic because in Euroleague most team hold ball all clock pass many time then go for easy basket. In NBA player take many more difficult shot and take many more of the possess of the ball in game.
You have problem not know what "GREAT" player mean in Europe. if Oberto is great player in Europe then Barry is "great" player in NBA.
Barry not leads any team for a Final like Oberto with Pamesa in 2002. He was GREAT, oh and in the WCFinals 2002, too. 28points 11 rebounds.
He not great player in Europe. Maybe you have Spanish league confuse with Euroleague. Any way even Spanish league can be debates. Truth be in Europe compare to player like Scola Oberto is not even in same topic.
Again Amerikan fan so confuse about Euroleague, Spain league, Greece league. Oberto is player that can go to NBA and get good returns because of NBA style more closer to him. You need understand some player like Manu and Oberto and Spanoulis fits more NBA style than Europe style some player like Jasekivicius and Scola and player like Macijasukas fit more the Europe style.
Some player not matter because how they play like I say player like Gasol and Dirk. NBA fan actual believe player like manu could be better in Europe because NBA is "superior" but nope game much more suits for NBA.
You Spur fan should know because Parker is player suit complete for NBA, he can not be much in Europe style game but in NBA can be great. But noooo NBA fan think he average 40 point in "garbage" Europe but no in Europe player like parker will not be very good. But in NBA player like Jasekivicius can not be very good but can be great in Europe.
I'm not confused, bro.
jesus, don't worry about Tiago's rebounding. he does quite well.
don't try to translate European numbers to NBA numbers, it's usually wrong.
remember, when many predicted, how much Scola will struggle, because he "only got 6-7 RPG. people prdicted, that in the NBA, where he will face bigger and stronger and more athletic interior players, he will be destroyed on the boards. what happened?
he get's 10.3 RPG per 40 minutes. that's not bad at all.
btw. in the Spanish league his offensive rebounding is quite ok at 2.3 RPG. he just doesn't hit the defensive board as hard as in the Euroleague. don't ask me if this is a advice by the coach (in the ACB the forwards of Tau do much more defensive rebounding work), or if Tiago just doesn't try hard enough.
however, I'm sure he will be able to play in the 8+ RPG (better the 12 RPG per 40 minutes) area in the NBA. and at 23 there also still is much room left for improvement in the positioning and strenghts department.
not bad at all? Oberto's older than, slow...and he get's 12,8 per 48 minutes oh Ranks #19 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(4.7)
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/fabric...eer_stats.html
we need stats per minutes? really? stats per minutes suck.
Yes I say this over and over but Amerikan NBA fan act like it lies. Player will get MORE rebound and MANY MORE assist in NBA than will in Euroleague.
Also you need understand Spanish league can have good team and good player but Euroleague can have some crap player and crap team. I have Bruno tell me Greek league not even count like it not even exist only Euroleague count but he so confuse.
Example PAo team can beat several team of Euroleague by 40 point and can beat ZERO team of Greek league by 40 point. Yet Bruno believe he expert on how only Euroleague count. He complete wrong if he not even realize 4-5 teams of Euroleague are all trash.
In Spanish league can be good chance other player and team are good but in Euroleague can always have game against joke opponent. Once Euroleague get to top 16 this change as then you have best teams be in all Europe.
But regular season Euroleague different it like on PAO team stat like a joke these game hardly serious some of them until get to top 16. So when top 16 start then Euroleague stat more serious until that start probable you see Spanish league more serious stat. Don't trust what some fan here say about Euroleague and how they know all about this because from thing they post they very much not know.
Last edited by Kill_Bill_Pana; 01-21-2008 at 01:04 PM.
I know that several players who couldn't make it in the NBA do extremely well in Euroleague, as well as the Spanish and Kreek leagues. Why do they suck in the NBA and do so well in Spain and ass?Don't trust what some fan here say about Euroleague and how they know all about this because from thing they post they very much not know.
Ok, let's see :
Panathinakos :
Euroleague record : 11-1
Euroleague point differential per game : +8.9
Greek league record : 13-0
Greek league point differential per game : +19.5
Olympiacos :
Euroleague record : 7-5
Euroleague point differential per game : +8.8
Greek league record : 12-1
Greek league point differential per game : +15.1
Aris :
Euroleague record : 6-6
Euroleague point differential per game : -1.8
Greek league record : 10-3
Greek league point differential per game : +8.7
All Greek teams are doing way better in the Greek league than in Euroleague for the simple reason that Euroleague >>>>>>>>>>>> Greek league.
Ok, let's see :
Panathinakos :
Euroleague record : 11-1
Euroleague point differential per game : +8.9
Greek league record : 13-0
Greek league point differential per game : +19.5
Olympiacos :
Euroleague record : 7-5
Euroleague point differential per game : +8.8
Greek league record : 12-1
Greek league point differential per game : +15.1
Aris :
Euroleague record : 6-6
Euroleague point differential per game : -1.8
Greek league record : 10-3
Greek league point differential per game : +8.7
All Greek teams are doing way better in the Greek league than in Euroleague for the simple reason that Euroleague >>>>>>>>>>>> Greek league.
There not Greek teams PAO can beat by 40 points but there several of the Euroleague teams they can beat by 40 points. You posts make me laugh you not even realize some Euroleague teams will be almost blown out most every game in Spanish league or Greek league. But laughs all you want with these very poor team from France and Italy and Germany and how horrible these team be you just prove more and more all time how you know nothing about Euroleague and just prove more you statement on Spanoulis worthless.
yeah, I will continue to laugh at your posts because they are laughable. You makes no sense at all by saying that the Greek league is better than the Euroleague because Panathinaikos beat one time another team by 40.
Everybody with a little knowledge of European Basketball will tell you that the first stage if Euroleague is better than the Greek league and I've proved that to you in my previous post. You can continue to ignore the reality and live in your fantasy world where Greece players and teams dominates the world.
Anyway, I shouldn't be surprised, Homer was a Greek after all.
Anyway, I shouldn't be surprised, Homer was a Greek after all.
I never said Greek league was better than Euroleague you fan think you so clever with twist words and accuse people of say thing they never say. You think I as foolish and easy to be confuse as you are? No not so.yeah, I will continue to laugh at your posts because they are laughable. You makes no sense at all by saying that the Greek league is better than the Euroleague because Panathinaikos beat one time another team by 40.
Everybody with a little knowledge of European Basketball will tell you that the first stage if Euroleague is better than the Greek league and I've proved that to you in my previous post. You can continue to ignore the reality and live in your fantasy world where Greece players and teams dominates the world.
Anyway, I shouldn't be surprised, Homer was a Greek after all.
I said only what is FACT. In Spanish league or Greek league there will always be a team or some player as opponent that can play game. In Euroleague BEFORE top 16 level there are some JOKE horrible terrible team that will be horrible joke team in Spanish league or Euroleague. When get to top 16 Euroleague all teams are very good.
But you think team like Brose, Armani, Roanne, Le Mans and these type team are good team you must be re . These team are complete joke. TAU or PAo as say for compe ion of Splitter and Spanoulis they NEVER NEVER NEVER will face such terrible opponent in Greek or Spanish league.
You are nothing but complete liar.
what about you? you still haven't left.www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2105908&postcount=414
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