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Barkley yelling: GINOWBELI GINOWBELI
where is aaronstampler when you need him?
and who's going to remember a regular season game against the Warriors in freaking December?
Barkley yelling: GINOWBELI GINOWBELI
I've seen some bad takes in the history of SpursTalk but this might take the cake. Despite being repeatedly informed that the league average is less than 35%, this guy sticks with his take that 35% from three-point land is terrible. Amazing.
Here's some players who on their career shoot less than 35% on threes:
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Tracy McGrady
Dominique Wilkins
Allen Iverson
If 35% is terrible, these guys must be horrrrrrrrible three-point shooters.
Oh and Larry Bird had a playoff career three-point percentage of 32%. Another terrrrrrrrrrrible shooter.
Maybe I should have clarified a bit better. 35% is terrible when the good majority of your looks are wide open. How many players on that list you just made up get wide open looks? Here, I'll answer it for you, 0.
Also, I definitely would classify everyone on that list as a sub-par to bad 3 point shooter, besides Larry Bird.
Seriously dude...that has got to win some sorta award for being one of the stupidest things anyones said in a forum on the internet.
I mean really, is there a stat somewhere that says:
..."34.6% of a players shots were deemed 'wide open', while 23.2% of his shots were deemed "covered" shots. 52% of his shots were questionable as to being "wide open" or "covered" because the sta icians could not come to agreement on the ing definition.
Some thought 2-3 feet was open...some thought it was covered. While a dissenting minority boycotted making the decision on the grounds the stat was completely ing worthless and decided to measure distance the shooter is to the cheerleaders instead."
So Manu does not impact the game when he is not scoring?
You are either (i) blind, (ii) not a Spurs Fan, or (iii) stupid beyond hope.
this thread is still going?
Not only that. This thread was stupid to begin with, because he was originally refuting the first two game sample with a one game sample of Manu's performances as if it were absolute and definitive.Seriously dude...that has got to win some sorta award for being one of the stupidest things anyones said in a forum on the internet.
It was a weak argument from the get go. Now it's just focused on his inability to look at the curb for decent 3-pt shooting percentage, over what cons utes 'terrible.'
Now the argument has shifted toward conditional measures, "Ok, 35 percent is Not 'technically' terrible, but only when a certain percentage of shots are NOT wide open. "
That's arbitrary subjectiveness. Also, Manu creates the 3 off his drive and step back, almost half the time he takes them from watching the games.
The Authority...on poop.
Funny, 3 games in a row Manu hasn't contributed anything.
yeah.. and 37 points in each of the 2 wins before that.
will you shut up already?
I stopped reading after this little piece of idiocy
Who was talking about Manu's 3 point percentage?
I'll give him one of those games. The next game he shot 9-21. It's decent. Everyone really needs to stop acting like he was Michael Jordan during both of those games. He quite simply wasn't.
Take the Manu blinders off and start bringing something relevant to the table. Like the rebuttal to Manu playing like absolute trash, 3 games in a row. Where has he impacted the game in these last 3? Besides, you know, handing the ball directly to the other team for easy buckets on their end.
not me. noone in the league is acting like michael jordan, for me at least. but he is the closest thing to mj that we've got. i'll take him. especially over someone like mcgrady or carter.
Well then, you're a fool. The only reason ANY GM takes Manu over McGrady or Carter is because they make way more money. Otherwise McGrady and Carter would destroy Manu. We've seen the previous 2 games where Manu shot what... 28%...? Bottom line: he can't carry a franchise like both of those 2 have done.
edit: Almost forgot to comment on the MJ thing. I hope you mean closest thing to MJ on the Spurs. If not, I'm going to have to go ahead and laugh at your basketball knowledge.
i did say we as in "we, the spurs". why would i take manu over mcgrady and carter? carter quits on his team. mcgrady has no idea how to lead his team to a win. manu has led argentina to a gold medal and his european team to a euroleague champion. i like a proven winner. but that's just me.
Carter has been known to quit on his team, but when has Manu faced a situation where he's been on a terrible team year after year? The answer is never. So it isn't really fair to compare that aspect. It isn't really fair to say Manu is the major reason those teams have won either. Argentina has some good players on their squad. We all know with the Spurs, Duncan is the be all and end all, as for the Euroleague, who really gives a ? That's garbage basketball. I can't disagree that Manu is a better leader than McGrady, because Manu is the leader of that argentina squad, but I'm sure you also can agree that Manu has nowhere near the talent and physical gifts McGrady has.
I give Manu props on the gold, but let's be real... the US doesn't send their best players, or they would destroy everyone. The year they beat the USA, Stephon Marbury and Allen Iverson were featured players on the team. Need I say more?
no argument here. but you have manu at a disadvantage over carter and mcgrady in that manu was never groomed to be a franchise player for the spurs.
talent-wise, carter has never been in a bad team either. in toronto, he had mcgrady with him. in new jersey, he has with jason kidd and richard jefferson. that nets team had more talent than the cavs that beat them last year.
mcgrady has had yao with him the past 4 years and yet they still have to break through the first round. every year that they've been together, experts figure them to be playing deep in the playoffs and yet they've been left scratchng their heads for every 1st round exit.
When McGrady played with Carter, he was like 21-years-old, still trying to figure out how to make it in the league. He was hardly the player he is now. He averaged 15 points playing with Carter. In Jersey, yes he has 2 good players playing with him, but they have Jason Collins, arguably the worst starter in the league, starting in their front court.
McGrady and Yao play in the West. That's a difficult road. Both are soft players mentally, which doesn't really help them.
When'll it end? -_-;;
Agree completely - I can't even start making a comment because I would have to write pages refuting every single piece of fail this thread has. Not the authority whatsoever.
Not only that, this is like those threads where we have Bonner or TP playing like Garbage and you see comments like "I knew he would play like garbage so he's no good for teh team, we should trade right away. The when they have a monster game, I knew he would bounce back or they dissapear altogether"
Not only that. This thread was stupid to begin with, because he was originally refuting the first two game sample with a one game sample of Manu's performances as if it were absolute and definitive.
It was a weak argument from the get go. Now it's just focused on his inability to look at the curb for decent 3-pt shooting percentage, over what cons utes 'terrible.'
Now the argument has shifted toward conditional measures, "Ok, 35 percent is Not 'technically' terrible, but only when a certain percentage of shots are NOT wide open. "
That's arbitrary subjectiveness. Also, Manu creates the 3 off his drive and step back, almost half the time he takes them from watching the games.
This thread DOES NOT deliver.
Look at box scores from Kobe's, Tmacs games - they shoot 20, 30 times and score 50%, total 30 pts out of 30 attempts. If they would score in every single attempt, they would get 60 pts a game which doesnt happen too often. Yes, you watch a lot of BB.
This post smells fail. The US doesn't send their best players overseas because they would never make the same kind of money. Those US players who play overseas usually have failed in the US - didn't get picked up during drafts, etc. They come back once they are old or have achieved a great status in Europe to make even more money than they could ever make in Europe. Thanks for your time.
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