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    Bowen has slowed Bryant down. The key is that he forces Bryant into low shooting %s due to increasing the degree of difficulty of his shots and keeping him away from the hoop. But the real key is that he allows the Spurs to guard him one on one and focus on shutting the other 4 guys down. What double team are the Lakers going to force the Spurs into throwing at them? Gasol doesn't change that.

    Lest we forget that on the defensive end the Lakers haven't really improved against the Spurs with that trade. But, I know, the Spurs' offense consists solely of 4Down and Terry Porter, Steve Smith, and Danny Ferry on the perimeter, or whatever your crack addled brain believes today.
    Yeah, I know... Bowen "holds" Kobe to about 30 a game.

    Kobe does not have to shoot as much now with the emergence of Bynum and the acquisition of Gasol.

    Who is going to shut the other 4 down?

    Oberto?

    The Lakers can double Duncan now with two tall big men who are capable of more than 2 blocks a game.

    Oh, and your re ed sidekick T Park brought up 4-down, not me.

    A motion offense needs motion, right?

    Parker playing yet?

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    The Lakers can double Duncan now with two tall big men who are capable of more than 2 blocks a game.

    Oh, and your re ed sidekick T Park brought up 4-down, not me.

    A motion offense needs motion, right?

    Parker playing yet?

    What I said jerkface was this.

    If they double duncan, they leave Ginobili, Parker, Bowen, Finley, Barry, Udoka, Horry open for WIDE OPEN 3s and jumpers.

    I will take THAT, over getting guarded straight up all around.

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    Yeah, I know... Bowen "holds" Kobe to about 30 a game.

    Kobe does not have to shoot as much now with the emergence of Bynum and the acquisition of Gasol.
    Are you saying that Kobe's shooting percentage and offensive efficiency are necessarily going to increase against Bowen because Pau Gasol wears a Laker uniform? If not, then Kobe's either: (1) not going to get 30; or (2) continue take a lot of shots to get to 30. In either event, I don't see that Pau changes the way that the Spurs deal with Kobe.

    Pau changes the way that the Spurs must defend the Lakers' bigs, but: (1) we haven't seen how this group will matchup with that group; and (2) we don't know that the Spurs won't make a deal to try to remedy that problem.

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    What I said jerkface was this.

    If they double duncan, they leave Ginobili, Parker, Bowen, Finley, Barry, Udoka, Horry open for WIDE OPEN 3s and jumpers.

    I will take THAT, over getting guarded straight up all around.
    Well, the Suns and Lakers can elect to D up the Spurs man-to-man now, although Bowen and Oberto can be cheated off of.

    They're not good on offense.

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    Are you saying that Kobe's shooting percentage and offensive efficiency are necessarily going to increase against Bowen because Pau Gasol wears a Laker uniform? If not, then Kobe's either: (1) not going to get 30; or (2) continue take a lot of shots to get to 30. In either event, I don't see that Pau changes the way that the Spurs deal with Kobe.

    Pau changes the way that the Spurs must defend the Lakers' bigs, but: (1) we haven't seen how this group will matchup with that group; and (2) we don't know that the Spurs won't make a deal to try to remedy that problem.
    Watch some Lakers games closer to April.

    At least look at a boxscore.

    Kobe only shot so much before, because he didn't have help.

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    This place was a little too agreeable since Ghost left. Nice to have him back in his role as official pot stirrer.

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    Prior to Bynum's injury Kobe's shot totals have been way down from previous years. It's only recenlty that he's shooting a lot and with the emergence of Pau he can pace himself until the 4th q. That's the bottom line right there. Kobe's energy in the 4th is paramount and will determine the outcome of any series. If he's tired and carrying the team the entire game, that's when we usually lose, regardless of how effecient he may be.

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    Watch some Lakers games closer to April.

    At least look at a boxscore.

    Kobe only shot so much before, because he didn't have help.
    I will, trust me. But I don't understand your point about Kobe's shots -- it's not like Kobe was getting 30 in 15-20 shots and then hoisting up a bunch of bricks to get his shot totals into a 1:1 correlation with his points. If Kobe's not shooting as much (at least according to historical precedent against the Spurs) he's not scoring as much because he needs a lot of shots to score a lot of points. Now, if you're saying that he'll become a more efficient scorer because Gasol is there, I'm curious about just how the Spurs' defense of Kobe is going to change to make that possible. Absent some argument to prove that point, what I see is Bowen on Kobe and little that is different about that matchup from any previous year. That's not to say that Kobe won't score -- I'm just saying that I don't see that getting Gasol makes him more efficient as a scorer.

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    Check the Lakers' record when Kobe scores under 30.

    Yes, I believe Kobe will be more efficient. He can be more selective.

    The defense won't change. Kobe's shot attempts will.

    P.S.

    Bowen is not getting any better on defense.

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    Are you saying that Kobe's shooting percentage and offensive efficiency are necessarily going to increase against Bowen because Pau Gasol wears a Laker uniform? If not, then Kobe's either: (1) not going to get 30; or (2) continue take a lot of shots to get to 30. In either event, I don't see that Pau changes the way that the Spurs deal with Kobe.

    Pau changes the way that the Spurs must defend the Lakers' bigs, but: (1) we haven't seen how this group will matchup with that group; and (2) we don't know that the Spurs won't make a deal to try to remedy that problem.
    Well that's the thing. Who else on the Lakers will be able to command a double team?

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    Yeah, I know... Bowen "holds" Kobe to about 30 a game.
    So you think it doesn't matter that Bryant is taking 30 shots to make those 30 points and is kept out of the lane?

    Kobe does not have to shoot as much now with the emergence of Bynum and the acquisition of Gasol.
    Since when did Bynum turn into Shaq? Are you re ed?


    Who is going to shut the other 4 down?
    The other 4 Spurs, per usual. My God, how have the Spurs defeated the Lakers at all over the last 4 years?




    Oberto?

    The Lakers can double Duncan now with two tall big men who are capable of more than 2 blocks a game.

    Oh, and your re ed sidekick T Park brought up 4-down, not me.

    A motion offense needs motion, right?

    Parker playing yet?
    So the Lakers double Duncan and the Spurs find the open man. Qed.

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    Man, you are out of touch.

    Bynum is pretty d@mn good.

    And who is going to stop Gasol?

    Kobe's shot gets more selective with help.

    What happens when we have to double Gasol or Kobe?

    You're reaching.

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    So you think it doesn't matter that Bryant is taking 30 shots to make those 30 points and is kept out of the lane?



    Since when did Bynum turn into Shaq? Are you re ed?



    The other 4 Spurs, per usual. My God, how have the Spurs defeated the Lakers at all over the last 4 years?




    So the Lakers double Duncan and the Spurs find the open man. Qed.


    Hmmm....07/08 Shaq...then yes.

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    Man, you are out of touch.

    Bynum is pretty d@mn good.

    And who is going to stop Gasol?

    Kobe's shot gets more selective with help.

    What happens when we have to double Gasol or Kobe?

    You're reaching.
    But the Spurs don't usually double Kobe. And I'm not sure that they were routinely doubling Pau when he was in Memphis.

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    Man, you are out of touch.

    Bynum is pretty d@mn good.

    And who is going to stop Gasol?

    Kobe's shot gets more selective with help.

    What happens when we have to double Gasol or Kobe?

    You're reaching.
    Sorry if I don't believe Bynum is the second coming. Or that Gasol has turned into some kind of defensive juggernaut. Stop trying to find something to worry about. Dallas and Phoenix just made their teams easier to defeat for the Spurs in the postseason and like it or not, those are the Spurs' two top Western Conference rivals.

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    But the Spurs don't usually double Kobe. And I'm not sure that they were routinely doubling Pau when he was in Memphis.
    Ding. Ding. Ding.

    Ghost doesn't even understand how the Spurs defend the Lakers.

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    Hmmm....07/08 Shaq...then yes.
    And?

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    Ding. Ding. Ding.

    Ghost doesn't even understand how the Spurs defend the Lakers.
    Moron.

    They are on the same team now!

    Kobe doesn't have to jack up all kinds of shots now that he has Gasol and Bynum helping him.

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    So Bowen still hangs on him and forces him into bad shots and keeps him from creating offensive opportunities for his teammates. Gasol isn't that good. If anything he's been a marshmellow soft pussy who puts up big stats in the regular season. Wow.

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    So Bowen still hangs on him and forces him into bad shots and keeps him from creating offensive opportunities for his teammates. Gasol isn't that good. If anything he's been a marshmellow soft pussy who puts up big stats in the regular season. Wow.
    Wow.

    You think that Bowen had a lot to do with Kobe's number of FGAs?

    That was because he had no one else he cold trust to score.

    I agree in your assessment of Gasol, but all he has to do is be the second option now, pal.

    I'm not giving up, but to pretend like the Lakers aren't a threat is Poppy ™.

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    Wow.

    You think that Bowen had a lot to do with Kobe's number of FGAs?
    Sure. Kobe doesn't get easy opportunties when he faces the Spurs and Bowen's D keeps him from creating opportunities for his teammates. Either he jacks up some lower percentage shots or he has to pass the ball back around the perimeter.


    That was because he had no one else he cold trust to score.

    I agree in your assessment of Gasol, but all he has to do is be the second option now, pal.

    I'm not giving up, but to pretend like the Lakers aren't a threat is Poppy ™.
    Sure, they're a threat, after the Suns and Mavs, who just made themselves easier to beat.

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    The last PO's series agains the Suns Amare has been averaging like 35 and 15 and Nash was a monster as well, they can't play any better with or without Snaq.
    that was the game plan.

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    But what if I still believe that the Spurs can win the le? I realize that may be seen as a biased view because the Spurs refuse to make the sorts of splashy trades that real contenders make, but if I genuinely feel that way -- for whatever reasons -- am I somehow not en led to that viewpoint? I don't think I've ever disputed the idea that the Spurs path to a le will be difficult; but it was never going to be an easy path this year and I think it would have been foolish for anyone to think that it would be. At that, the fact that the path will be difficult doesn't make the task impossible.

    If your point is that Spurs fans should believe that there's no chance for a championship without major changes, I think you're wrong.

    FWD, he the big Kahuna. he the big Man Boss. FWD, el cajones.

    thank you for speaking for the rest of us who believe.

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    doubling Pau is idiotic by the way, Kobe or no Kobe.

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