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congrats on finally getting a leader for that team..
good trade for the mavs.
Not saying we cant draft but the mavs will always have their first round draft picks in the high 20s and do they ever pan out? no. I bet all we would draft with those 2 picks is a couple Mo Agers.
congrats on finally getting a leader for that team..
good trade for the mavs.
Kidd is shooting 35% from 3PT range this season. Guess what Harris was shooting from 3........that's right, 35%.
There's a lot of revisionist history being written by Mavs fans in this thread. You'd think we gave up some badass with Pistol Pete offense and Gary Payton defense.
Harris improved his shot, but he was by no means a lights-out shooter. He was a very good defender, but he was by no means a shut-down defender.
Yeah because there's nothing the Mavs needed more than to add another Mo Ager & Nick Fazekas to this team.
At 4:36pm Wednesday comes the first official word -- and it's from "locker-room spokesman'' Jerry Stackhouse. "Now I think it's pretty much a done deal," Stackhouse told The Associated Press in Dallas this afternoon. Stackhouse also suggested that he is assuming a buyout from New Jersey that would free him to join any team (ahem: Dallas) after 30 days. How does Stack feel about the deal? "I feel great. I get 30 days to rest, then I'll be right back," he said. "I ain't going nowhere.''
Yeah, lets trade Josh Howard, he's not working out.
For every Josh Howard there's a Mo Ager, Nick Fazekas, Leon Smith, Cherokee Parks, Loren Meyer, Tony Dumas, Wang Zhi-Zhi & Chris Anstey.
It sucks for Dallas, because :
- Stack is a great scorer off the bench, especially against... the Spurs
- Devin Harris is very efficient against...the Spurs
Stackhouse will be back.
The details still were being worked out, but Stackhouse said his agent told him the trade would be completed.
"Now I think it's pretty much a done deal," Stackhouse told The Associated Press.
Stackhouse added that he may be able to rejoin Dallas within 30 days, an indication the Nets would buy out his contract.
"I feel great. I get 30 days to rest, then I'll be right back," he said. "I ain't going nowhere."
By adding Kidd, the Mavericks are clearly in a win-now mode. He is 10 years older than the 24-year-old Harris, but also far more ready to lead a team on a le hunt. Dallas has been close in recent years, losing in the NBA finals in 2006, then winning 67 games last season before flaming out in the first round.
I guess you didn't get the memo, but Stackhouse is coming back to Dallas in 30 days.
You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order! You, you sonofa , you! You're supposed to STAND for somethin'! You're supposed to protect people! But instead you rape and murder them!
As for the trade, I like it. Kidd definitely adds testicular for ude to the Mavs roster.
But, much like the Suns/Shaq deal, this trade is all based on winning the le. Either they hit the jackpot or it is going to end up a complete trainwreck. It's a gamble MavFan should welcome, IMO.
Either way, it makes the playoffs that much more fun to watch this year.
No, I didn't, just came back from work
That is if another team doesn't offer anything for Stackhouse first.
Dallas' response to the Lakers trade is to giving up a center and a guy who can get into the paint and draw fouls? I don't see how this move makes them match up with LA.
I agree with that, but to say "mavs will always have their first round draft picks in the high 20s and do they ever pan out? no." was ing stupid when the 2nd best player on the team was drafted with the 29th pick.
Absolutely. The Mavs have shown that they're gonna go for broke to win a le. Whether they succeed or fail, at least they had the guts to go for it all, instead of pussing out and playing it safe.
But he's the rare exception.
Hey - Wang Zhi-Zhi was raining 3's in the preseason this year. Maybe he still has a place.
Stackhouse said himself that he isn't going anywhere.
And how much money are teams really gonna throw at him? Not much more than what Dallas is willing to give him.
the most a team can offer Stack is the MLE and thats if they didnt use it over the summer....fyi, the mavs didnt use their MLE over the summer so they can basically offer what any other team can.. Stack loves Dallas, avery, etc.. and him saying that quote makes it seem pretty clear that he will be back in dallas. im sure the mavs made the deal knowing that NJ would buyout Stack
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...iddDeal-080213
Kidd trade is risky business for Mavs
By John Hollinger
ESPN Insider
The Lakers must be falling over with laughter by now.
In the wake of their acquisition of Pau Gasol -- a trade that cost them nothing of value -- two of their biggest rivals for Western Conference supremacy responded by dealing key pieces of their core for Eastern Conference legends in their mid-30s. First, of course, came Phoenix's deal for Shaquille O'Neal last week, and now the Mavericks have jumped in with today's close-to-completion deal for Jason Kidd.
This isn't nearly as bad as the Shaq trade -- let me get that out of the way up front. But it has the same whiff of panic to it, coming as it did after the Mavs suffered consecutive whippings at the hands of second-tier Eastern teams, and following Mark Cuban's insistence that Dallas wouldn't unload half its team for Kidd.
The Jason Kidd Era in Jersey appears to be ending.
But that's exactly what they're about to do. Dallas is about to send Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse, DeSagana Diop, Devean George, Maurice Ager, cash and two first-round picks to New Jersey for Kidd, Antoine Wright, Malik Allen and a second-rounder. (Technically it would be two trades, with Wright for a No. 2 as a side deal in order to meet league roster requirements).
Obviously, the two protagonists are Kidd and Harris. So let me ask you a provocative question that I brought up when the three-way version of this deal was kicked around: Would you trade Harris for Kidd, straight up?
Based on notoriety alone, most would offer a quick yes. But shine that light a little closer. Kidd's PER this season is 16.07, while Harris is way ahead at 18.66. This may shock some people who have only seen the reports of his triple-doubles, but Kidd is scoring at a much lower rate this season, shooting a hideous 36.7 percent from the field, and his turnover rate has skyrocketed. While he's far from the only culprit, his decline is one reason the Nets are 25th in offensive efficiency; the Mavs, in contrast, are second with Harris as quarterback.
Per 40 minutes, Harris averages nearly seven points more; that's huge. He also gets to the line more than twice as often and shoots a far better percentage from the field. His true shooting percentage of 59.2 dwarfs Kidd's 48.3. Think about that difference for a second -- for every nine shots they take (including free-throw sessions), Harris has a one-point advantage.
Finally, Harris is a huge plus at the defensive end, where he has the quickness to defend the Parkers, Pauls and Nashes of the West and was second in the league in offensive fouls drawn last season, according to 82games.com. By my methods, he was the best defensive point guard in the league in 2006-07. Unfortunately, the one guy he struggled against was Baron Davis, a fact that may be seared in the Mavs' memories given how last season ended.
Kidd's two big advantages are passing and rebounding, and they're gargantuan differences, make no mistake. But if you break it down, it seems his numbers in those two categories might decline in Dallas' system.
As far as assists go, the Mavs are one of the league's most isolation-heavy teams and annually have among the league's lowest rates of assisted baskets; the Nets are the opposite and are annually among the highest. It's possible Dallas changes some of that to take advantage of Kidd, of course, but somehow I imagine the high-post isos for Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard will remain the bread-and-butter of the offense.
Additionally, Kidd's passing skills are most lethal in transition, but the Mavs run infrequently. While some still imagine this as a Wild West Don Nelson outfit, Dallas has been one of the league's slowest-paced teams ever since Avery Johnson took over.
Getting The Point
Kidd's trade at least allows the NBA to undo a grave injustice. Voted in as a starter in the East, Kidd would now presumably suit up with the West on Sunday.
To fill his vacated spot, the league could tab Toronto point guard Jose Calderon, whose ridiculous efficiency was somehow overlooked by Eastern Conference coaches when they chose the reserves. It would be a poetic justice, as it was Kidd's selection as a starter that effectively cost Calderon a much-deserved spot in the first place. -- Hollinger
On the rebounds, New Jersey's frontcourt rebounding was historically bad for the first two months of this season, as I mentioned in another piece earlier on -- leaving a ton of boards available for Kidd to grab. In fact, Kidd's rebound rate has declined quite a bit since Josh Boone took over for Jason Collins, as fewer caroms were left over for the guards. Similarly, he won't have as many boards available for him to snag in Dallas, where the Mavs are already seventh in the league in defensive rebound rate (nearly all of Kidd's boards are defensive).
OK, so he won't score as much as Harris and he might lose a bit on his rebounds and assists. One can still come up with some offsetting positives. For starters, Kidd is a leader in a locker room that appears in need of one. Dallas' testicular for ude has been questioned in the past two postseasons, so perhaps he can make a difference there. And it's possible he'll be more motivated in Big D than he was in New Jersey; at the very least, I suspect he'll suffer from fewer headaches.
In addition, Kidd is a good defender against bigger guards, which means Dallas might be able to play him and Jason Terry together for 40 minutes and dispense with the 30 scoreless minutes they're getting each night from the Eddie Jones-Trenton Hassell combo. (Although just in case they get nostalgic, Wright's addition makes it a trio of wing guys who can defend but can't score).
But before you get too excited, look into the future. Kidd is 10 years older and costs five times as much; even after Harris' extension kicks in he'll be triple the cost. Which player do you think you'd rather have in 2008-09? What about in 2009-10, presuming the Mavs extend Kidd, when he'll be 36 and Harris 26?
I know, I know -- this move was made primarily with this season in mind. So let's say after all that you still like Kidd better than Harris. Do you like him so much better that you're willing to include Stackhouse and Diop and two first-round draft choices?
Diop was Dallas' starting center and best low-post defender (Side note: guess that Shaq trade had them real worried, huh?), while Stackhouse was one of their most important bench players. In fact, the irony of this trade is that a big reason for Dallas' recent struggles is that Harris and Stackhouse have been injured.
The Mavs are 4-4 since Harris went out; Stackhouse has played only once in that time, for just 11 minutes. It's an ugly 4-4 too. Of the wins, two were against Memphis and one was Milwaukee; the losses included one-sided setbacks against Detroit, New Jersey and Philadelphia.
That takes us to an aspect of this trade nobody is paying any attention to: Harris' huge impact on the Mavs' success over the past two seasons. In 2006-07, when Dallas won 67 games, guess who had the biggest on-court/off-court point differential? Hint: It wasn't the MVP. According to 82games.com, Dallas was a whopping +14.2 points per 48 minutes with Harris on the court. Moreover, the Harris-Nowitzki combo was the single most effective player combination in the league.
This year, the Harris-Terry-Howard-Nowitzki-Dampier unit has played 164 minutes together and outscored opponents by 43 points (that's a whopping 12.6 points per 48 minutes). The four most common Harris-Terry arrangements all have massively positive point differentials, adding up to an advantage of +20.7 points per 48 minutes(!). So much for the idea that you can't play two small guards together.
No, we're not done yet -- there's one final point to consider. The Nets will likely buy out Stackhouse, but there's no guarantee Dallas will be able to re-sign him; in fact, by rule they aren't allowed to for 30 days.
In the meantime, is it that hard to imagine bench-starved Cleveland diving in with the $4.1 million remaining on its midlevel exception, or the Pistons ($3.86 million) bringing him back to Motown to replace the struggling Jarvis Hayes? For that matter, what about the Spurs ($4.4 million) or Suns (full midlevel) breaking out the wampum just to spite their Western rivals? Keep in mind, too, that these salaries would be prorated for the rest of this year, lowering the luxury tax hit those teams would take.
In the final analysis, then, it seems Dallas gave up quite a bit to make what is, even with the most rose-colored glasses, a marginal upgrade at the point. It's possible it could work, but my issue with this deal is that the risk and reward seem out of line. Much like Phoenix with the Shaq deal, I can't help but wonder if the Mavs are fixated on what Kidd was 18 months ago rather than what he'll be over the next 18 months.
Let me repeat that I'm not nearly not as down on this trade as I am on Phoenix's. But on balance, I think it puts Dallas farther from a le rather than closer. And as a result, I suspect Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak may be having a quiet chuckle when he checks his Blackberry today.
John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider. To e-mail him, click here.
How does Stackhouse feel about being used in the trade like this? Was this something he knew about all along and was cool with or does he feel slighted in any way?
Just remember what it felt like when Josh Daniels fired your from the band. Stackhouse felt nothing like that.
He's cool with it, Jeff. Would you not be cool with being paid millions to take a 30 day vacation and not have to pack up your crap to move to New Jersey?
After Kidd's contract runs out, who's his replacement? Consider how crappy the 2009-2010 FA crop of PG's will be:
A 36-year old Kidd;
A 34-year old Andre Miller;
A 31-year old Mike Bibby whose D is horrible now and will just get worse;
Stephon Marbury
Eric Snow;
Brevin Knight;
Damon Stoudemire;
Smush Parker;
Jamal Crawford if he doesn't exercise his '09-'10 option;
Marquis Daniels if IND doesn't pick up his option
That's it. That's all that'll be out there when Kidd's contract is up. Unless we can pull off a miracle trade for young PG, Kidd's successors will be Terry and Barea-the-midget who couldn't guard his mom if she was in a coma and stuck in block of frozen nitrogen while buried up to her neck in sand at the beach.
yes! It's all coming together!
MAVERICKS RECALL NICK FAZEKAS
DALLAS – The Dallas Mavericks recalled forward Nick Fazekas today from the Tulsa 66ers of the NBA D-League.
Fazekas (7-0, 235) was originally assigned to Tulsa on November 20. He played in 28 games for the 66ers starting 24 times and averaged 19.1 points, 9.9 rebounds and 1.7 assists while shooting 55.3% from the field in 30.6 minutes per game. He was selected to represent the 66ers at the D-League All-Star Game in New Orleans on February 16.
Fazekas, the 34th pick out of Nevada, played in two games for Dallas this season and averaged 1.0 points in 2.5 minutes per game.
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