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What can they do?
Elson and a first rounder for Kurt Thomas? Oh yes. If Barry is coming back, the key is for him to STFU for the next 30 days . . .
What can they do?
Nothing, because the Spurs and Barry aren't stupid enough to make the plan public.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=19375SprungOnSports (Long Island): Yahoo is reporting that the Spurs got Kurt Thomas from the Sonics for Elson, Brent Barry, and a 2009 first rounder. Your thoughts?
J.A. Adande: (6:26 PM ET ) I think this is a case of the Spurs helping themselves by playing defense...this way no one else can get Thomas to go against Duncan. Maybe helps them out a little more if they face Pau and Bynum...and also relieves Duncan from Shaq duty if they face the Suns
No, I meant that from an outside shooting standpoint. Obviously, KT is better offensively than Elson, but we lost a terrific shooter. I've always said that if we traded Barry, I would want another shooter in return.
Hence the reason I said Udoka must step it up
The first round pick was for saving money. This drops us below the luxury tax. Presti, knowing this, made Buford pay for it.
It's amazing what Presti got from and for dealing Kurt Thomas.
How do they save a buck by buying him out rather than keeping him the rest of the year? They have to pay him either way. Am I missing something?
The reason to wait is because there are no good FA's available right now. Unless the Sonics have another trade pending, it doesn't make sense why they would go with a short-handed roster.
This summer is when they'll have all sorts of options in terms of FA's. Right now, they don't have much choice. They keep Barry or they'll be a man down. And either way, they gotta pay.
Worst trade ever
We also need to remember KT can hit a lot from the perimeter
In games against Suns and LA he can take a big out of the way to TD work inside
Bye Brent. i'll miss you
Good points. I don't remember how well Elson did against Amare, or if we always let him run wild.
Udoka really has to make his case from the 3-pt line, because the defenses respected Barry's game on the perimeter....
Man, this trade, although good in regards to the bigger west, definitely wasn't a steal. Having Barry on our squad kept us legit as a three point threat.
If your rebuilding your club, trying to play as many young guys as possible. Why would you have a 36 year old shooting guard taking up a roster spot for no reason? He's not going to be on your team next year, he limits the ability to them to see and evaluate younger talent...They buy him out, they don't have to worry about any expiring contract. He'll never put on a uniform.
They will go down the hole.
Nothing, since Barry hasn't opened his big yap about it.
Brent loves the city of Seattle, so it's a good trade to let him retire up here,(if he doesn't come back after being waived) so while he will be missed at least it's not like we are sending him to the Knicks. Plus he probably has a future in broadcasting at some point given his sense of humor.
But Thomas fills a definite need, with all the size we are going to be contending with. And it will add a defender in the paint that we have been lacking since Rasho left.
Udoka has proven to more than capable in Barry's minutes and he is a of a defender and has got good size.
Stoudamire is another cog that we have only just started to see meld into our team.
With these additions I really like our chances to repeat.
You buy the player out for less than his contract calls for him to be paid.
How is 14 "shorthanded"?The reason to wait is because there are no good FA's available right now. Unless the Sonics have another trade pending, it doesn't make sense why they would go with a short-handed roster.
They wouldn't have to pay as much, and I have yet to see a team play a 15 man rotation with any regularity.This summer is when they'll have all sorts of options in terms of FA's. Right now, they don't have much choice. They keep Barry or they'll be a man down. And either way, they gotta pay.
He's not "taking up a roster spot" when there's no one else available. That idea implies that the Sonics have someone else waiting to swoop in and take that spot.
Do they? I haven't heard anything. The fact is that it makes ZERO sense for a team to waive a guy and go with 14 players rather than 15 if they don't have something else in mind.
"By acquiring Thomas, the Spurs get some needed size to help them counter Phoenix’s Shaquille O’Neal and Houston’s Yao Ming. They also are expected to drop under the luxury-tax threshold, possibly saving them about $2 million. In exchange, San Antonio will send the Sonics a portion of the savings."
Maybe they can use this portion of the savings to help them get a player. Plus Seattle has several wing players.
The first round pick is hard to swallow but the Spurs are a win now team, not a build for the future one.
KT allows you to compete better with the west after all the trades.
Worry about the future later.
Ahh...point taken. Your right, we will miss Barry. Question is tho, how bad was he really hurt? Could he have been out for the entire season.
But, yeah...I don't like losing Brent. Still, we did feel that gaping hole that was killing us. Ime, Fin, and others might be able to fill Brent's role...might. But, no one was filling that center role.
I will miss Brent as much as anyone...I still like this trade tho.
The severity of Barry's injury is important in determining the benefit of this trade. If he really was done for the year, and everyone agrees Elson is useless, then really we traded a first rounder for Thomas.
If Barry's injury wasn't that bad then I would have rather kept him and traded Finley. I never understood the eagnerness to trade Barry and the reluctance to do so for Finley. I much prefer Ime and Barry on the court than Ime and Finley.
Thomas is a solid contributor, and as someone else mentioned, he could help us in the way Nazr helped us his first year in the playoffs. With Thomas on board and the acceptance of Ime into the rotation, the Spurs seem a lot less soft than they did recently. Also, in the playoffs when things grind to a halt versus Utah or LA, Thomas will really earn his keep.
How Thomas affects Horry's playing time is the real question to me.
Spurs get better with this trade. Thomas can still score without having to play inside. He is a seasoned vet who can set solid screens and he has played good defense over the years in a great defensive system (NY Knicks). I am very happy with this trade.
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