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It's called being a smart defender. If you had one on your team, you'd understand.
And we won't expect the refs to be sucking our s every game-they'll be sucking Kobe's just like usual.
Oberto will have to resort to dirty underhand tricks again if he is going to contain Bynum. If the refs decide to actually call the game fairly he could very well end up in early foul trouble. Don't forget the reason why Bynum got ejected was because Oberto was using every dirty trick in the book (i.e. pushing him in the back, holding his jersey, scratching his arms, etc.). Oberto wasn't actually able to contain Bynum, he cheated and got away with it. If you think that is a successful strategy then fine, but don't expect the refs to be sucking your s every game (especially in a playoff atmosphere where these things are magnified).
Bynum has height, size, and length over Oberto. If he plays smart Oberto will have no chance.
And we won't expect the refs to be sucking our s every game-they'll be sucking Kobe's just like usual.
Bynum is possibly best Center in WC behind Yao, Ducan greatest power forward of all time. Both will make a huge impact on the series.
Bowen can guard Odom but Finley can't.bowen or finley on odom - tied; odom goes for 14ppg and 8rpg, but finley goes for 10ppg, and bowen's defense on kobe goes beyond the call of duty.
You make good points on the other matchups.
If you have to rely on primarily using dirty tricks to stop someone, it's not smart defending. It's called playing with fire, and if players and coaches are making a point of this to the refs you can be assured Oberto will foul out quicker than Travis Knight.
And we won't expect the refs to be sucking our s every game-they'll be sucking Kobe's just like usual.
I don't understand how they are "dirty"-every post player in the game defends Duncan that way-shoves him, elbows him, tries to rattle him. Big ing deal. He also never gets the calls for them. Ironically, sometimes he gets calls for barely any contact.
And you're right, Phil Jackson will probably about it in the media.
I'll just say this. That was the 1st time Bynum has ever been ejected from an NBA game, he's as level headed as they come. Oberto was doing something beyond the normal scratching and clawing that goes on in the NBA. I distinctly remember seeing Oberto push Bynum in the back while he was in mid-air going up for an alley-oop dunk. That is dangerous and stupid and he's very lucky the ref never saw it. If Oberto has to play Bynum straight up there really isn't anyway he can stop him.
Lakers in 5. Bynum is too athletic and big for Thomas.
The lakers are just too loaded, far more than any other team in the NBA. They are the only team I am afraid of. I wish the Rockets didn't trade away Bonzi because this year is the best chance we have to win it all. The lakers will dominate for the years to come because Bynum will develop into one of the four top centers (Yao, Howard, and Oden) soon.
So what? He should man up and respond with his play. Duncan has to do that all the ing time, you don't see him getting ejected. Bynum has a lot of learning to do. The Spurs will try to exploit any weakness the other team has, they are a smart team. And what you're saying is entirely opinion.
If the league thought Oberto was doing something wrong they would correct it/make an issue of it.
I agree Bynum shouldn't have lost his cool, but the game itself was pretty meaningless and it is not something he would ever do in the playoffs. You mean to tell me Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, and Popovich have never been thrown out of regular season games? It happens, and the good thing is we still won the game.
What I meant to say is that when the going gets tough, you don't usually see Duncan, or any Spur for that matter, losing their cool. They have great composure. Bynum should have held his cool. It happens, thankfully it wasn't a playoff game.
And I don't think many of us believe guarding Bynum will be a "cakewalk". We have suggested Oberto because he did good on him in the past. Like you said, Oberto pulled out some tricks against Bynum and Oberto had to work very hard to guard him. Thomas should be ok, the only thing I'm worried about with him is that he is 6'9''. He does have length and that could help.
Championship experience and the ability to play calmly under duress are what may stop the Lakers from winning it all this year. The '00-03 Laker team had to go through ish battles to get to the top, sans the 2001 team. We had to overcome a 15+ pt 4th quarter lead against POR in the '00 WCF, we beat the Kings off some very timely Horry 3pt shots, beating the Spurs with the .4 second shot. I question whether our young squad has what it takes to make those kind of plays and perform under those situations. This year may not be the year.
If it's the WCF, The Lakers win in 5! The Spurs have never beaten a lakers team in the WCF.
Hey did you guys already lock up HCA?
You know what's funny? ESPN saying that Kobe Bryant has had the best 12 year run on any player whose played 12 years. Why is that funny? Because Tim Duncan has played 1 less year and he's accomplished MORE than Kobe. Bow Down and Recognize who is the best player in the L on both sides of the court.<-Thy name is Timothy Theodore Duncan and thou shall lead a silver & black army to victory over enemy kingdoms.
Timmie's not the most graceful player I've seen and he can't shoot freethrows (although better this season) and he won't make the pressure shots. He always over someones back for rebounds ( I guess all that whining paid off). He's good,Hey did you guys already lock up HCA?
You know what's funny? ESPN saying that Kobe Bryant has had the best 12 year run on any player whose played 12 years. Why is that funny? Because Tim Duncan has played 1 less year and he's accomplished MORE than Kobe. Bow Down and Recognize who is the best player in the L on both sides of the court.
Goofy, but good. Kobe's better!
Riddle me this?
Who's got more MVPs? Who's got more NBA Finals MVP's? All-NBA 1st teams? All-NBA D-teams? More rings?
Alright then...who is the real king?
Hey....Remember this...it could happen yet again
MIB is not responsible for the content provided in the video although I must admit...I find it aciously funny.
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They play 2 completely different positions. It's a stupid comparison to make in the 1st place.
Still I don't think anyone here can argue with the fact that Kobe Bryant is the single greatest individual talent playing in the NBA today. He really has no flaws on offense or defense.
He really has no flaws on offense or defense you say. So you're a strong proponent of his 1 against 5 mentality and his quote of, "I can score anytime I want to." Yeah....so how many series has he won as the bonafide leader of the Lackshow?
Defensively, he can play lockdown D when he wants to but for as good as he is, has he made the ALL-D team his entire career? Wasn't there a time when Laker fans were berating the out of him because he got lazy and just patrolled the passing lanes while letting his guy score? So tell me why does Bowen sometimes score more against Bryant since Kobe is such the great defender? Is it because he leaves Bowen wide open on corner 3's because he is patrolling again?
You just don't get it. I said Kobe was the best INDIVIDUAL talent. If you're going to sit here and argue with me that Kobe Bryant isn't the best player in the NBA then you are nothing more than a hater.
Since Shaq left Kobe has yet to be surrounded with anything resembling a quality supporting cast.
Starting Center - Kwame Brown
Starting PG - Smush Parker
Starting SF - Luke Walton
Starting PF - Lamar Odom
Kwame Brown is currently racking up DNP's on the Memphis Grizzlies and Smush Parker isn't even playing in the NBA anymore. Odom isn't an All-Star caliber player and Luke Walton is a bench player at best. Despite all of this he has carried the team to the playoffs twice and nearly knocked off the Suns in the playoffs. Name one other player currently playing that could do the same with that supporting cast. Kobe is the only player in the league expected to win no matter who he is playing with. You really don't want to start this argument, you will lose.
Now that Kobe finally has a quality team you are seeing the results. We are #1 in the WC and have the highest PT differential, all this without our starting Center and defensive anchor. Kobe is putting up lower scoring numbers than before and 8 Lakers are shooting a career high FG%.
I love the Spur fans on this board....Spurs in 5, spurs in 5.....hahahahaha. ing hilarious if you ask me. The Spurs should win, after all they are the best team in the league right, so why argue about it. It's funny to me that they had to upgrade their roster with Damon and KT to match up with the Lakers. I love it.
Didn't you have to heist Gasol because you couldn't match-up with anybody real good before that?
Tim Duncan. See you keep underestimating the importance of size and ball possesion.Name one other player currently playing that could do the same with that supporting cast.
You put Tim Duncan on that roster up there, and that team gets to the playoffs and they at least win one series.
In the 01 playoffs, yes I know, the Spurs got swept by LA, I was there but....
Leading up to the WCF debacle, this is what Tim Duncan had for a starting 5.
PF-Tim Duncan
C-David Robinson-Who was hurt and needed epidurals just to be able to play
SF-Danny Ferry-Yeah slow white guy AKA Luke Walton with size and better range
SG-Antonio Daniels-Who at that time was Smush Parker Deluxe.
PG-Terry Porter-If Dan au was black and in his late 30's...He'd be old Terry Porter.
So yes, I think he could've done it. He would've needed Pop as his coach though and the style of play most definitely couldn't be the triangle because it doesn't take advantage of Tim's strengths although pieces of it could be mixed in.
Tim took that team to the WCF's eliminating Minnesota and Dallas along the way.
So when did you begin following basketball exactly?
The question should be, How long have YOU'VE been a NBA fan? I've been one Long enough to know that Duncan had a rep of not coming through when the game was win or lose in his career. After that prayer in the playoffs before .04, he got a little slack on that.
What I also know is that when the Lakers are in that situation, everyone knows where the balls going. It's in Kobe's hands and always has been, with or without Shaq.
You guys kill me with this Duncan is greater than thou talk. He has his faults. Shaq was the same way, he was never an option in that situation. I see the Spurs going to Manu now in that situation. I wonder why? I don't care what player is doing what in the game, the ball will be in Kobe's hands!
True but Kobe has more charges of RAPE than Timmy.
No, Lakers were beating all the good teams (except Boston) prior to Bynum's injury. Lakers have only lost a few games since January 1st (immediately following Bynum's injury). They signed Gasol to replace Bynum when it became evident he'd be out 2 months or more.
David Robinson is not no Kwame Brown. Even hurt, he was still one of the best Centers in the league.In the 01 playoffs, yes I know, the Spurs got swept by LA, I was there but....
Leading up to the WCF debacle, this is what Tim Duncan had for a starting 5.
PF-Tim Duncan
C-David Robinson-Who was hurt and needed epidurals just to be able to play
SG-Antonio Daniels-Who at that time was Smush Parker Deluxe.
Even now, Antonio Daniels is STILL alot better than Smush Parker.
And then you have a bench which had: Derek Anderson, Sean Elliot, Malik Rose (who played good minutes), Steve Kerr, Avery Johnson
All I've seen is Lakers in 5, Lakers in 6, I find that ing hilarious as well.
And the Spurs got Stoudemire because Parker was injured...I don't understand why people don't seem to understand that. Kurt Thomas was aquired to match both the Suns and the Lakers, and to improve our questionable frontcourt in general. It's pretty annoying to see all the Lakers fans/trolls (not saying you are) come crawling on the board and making such bold predictions and then they criticize us for responding.
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