The Audacity of Hate

[smeagol]

trash Obama for his ministers hateful bull

Hateful?

We thinks exactly as you do . . .

[Mr. Peabody]

Shocking video from Obama's church -



Will their hatred of all white people ever cease....?

[Mr. Peabody]

Senator Obama with more of his hate-the-white-man inspired dialogue

[Bobby Kennedy] said, we’ve got a choice in taking the rage and bitterness and disappointment and letting it fester and dividing us further so that we no longer see each other as Americans but we see each other as separate and apart and at odds with each other. Or we can take a different path that says we have different stories, but we have common dreams and common hopes. And we can decide to walk down this road together. And remake America once again. And, you know, I think about those words often, especially in the last several weeks - because this campaign started on the basis that we are one America. As I said in my speech at the convention in 2004, there is no Black America, or White America, or Asian America, or Latino America. There is the United States of America. But I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again. And I’m not here to cast blame or point fingers because everybody, you know, senses that there’s been this shift. You know, that you’ve been seeing in the reporting. You’ve been seeing some of the commentaries of supporters on all sides. Most recently, you heard some statements from my former pastor that were incendiary and that I completely reject, although I knew him and know him as somebody in my church who talked to me about Jesus and family and friendships, but clearly had — but if all I knew was those statements that I saw on television, I would be shocked. And it just reminds me that we’ve got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country. We’ve got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. But what I continue to believe in is that this country wants to move beyond these kinds of divisions. That this country wants something different.

I just want to say to everybody here that as somebody who was born into a diverse family, as somebody who has little pieces of America all in me, I will not allow us to lose this moment, where we cannot forget about our past and not ignore the very real forces of racial inequality and gender inequality and the other things that divide us. I don’t want us to forget them. We have to acknowledge them and lift them up and when people say things like my former pastor said, you know, you have to speak out forcefully against them. But what you also have to do is remember what Bobby Kennedy said. That it is within our power to join together to truly make a United States of America. And that we have to do not just so that our children live in a more peaceful country and a more peaceful world, but that is the only way that we are going to deliver on the big issues that we’re facing in this country. We can’t solve health care divided. We cannot create an economy that works for everybody divided. We can’t fight terrorism divided. We can’t care for our veterans divided. We have to come together. That’s what this campaign is about. That’s why you are here. That’s why we’re going to win this election. That’s how we’re going to change the country.

[Yonivore]

No, Obama's church and pastor have been discussed here in the past. It's just that now that Hannity and the rest have made this a major issue, others on this board now see it as a major issue as well.

Actually, it was ABC News that broke it this week.

[Nbadan]

McCain's having been at campaign rallies with John Hagee and Rod Parsley is a huge deal.

WTF? If that's all the political influence you think John Hagee possess, especially for Dubya and McCain, you must be living under a rock...the guy practically writes the administration's Middle East policy.....would Wright play such a influencial role in the Obama camp? I would say not.....

[Nbadan]

a man of honor and integrity who has served his Country proudly. I don't give a rat's ass what somebody else says.
And if you've researched and listended to Obama you'd realize that his views are not the same as his Pastor's on all issues.

Joe, you've got a lot to learn about McCain...there's a reason why he's been swiftboated by Republicans more often than Monica Lewingski...they know that after eight years of Dubya, their chances of winning with a McCain/Jesus ticket in 08' would be slim to none...so give the old man his run...watch him lose, hope that the 'other' Republican running as a Demo wins, Hitlary, and then maybe crazy mcCain will go away

[Nbadan]

my two cents to this is that Hagee is basing his words from The Bible. (this may unleash a whole new monster, but oh well) Hagee is preaching about actions against God. i don't hear "black" or "white" this or that. the other guy is saying "white" "black". he also said the 9/11 attacks were brought on by us occupying other nations.

....your not Muslim.....it's not 'black' or 'white'....in his sermons Hagee regularly generalizes against all Muslims even though 99.99% of Muslims don't give a about the U.S., except that they want us to quit supplying their ruling elite, who are driving their countries under the ground, with hords of cash and military weapons....

...that's the way bigots work...and Hagee's game, while he may disquise it under the cloak of religion is no different than the Nazi....

[Nbadan]

P.S. About Israel, you may have noticed how in 20 years, Israelis transformed Palestine from a seri-arid backwater with some almond trees into a prosperous industrialized nation and regional power. In the meantime, the Arabs still haven't discovered toilet paper. That may have something to do with why they can't beat Israel at wars.

Isreal also gets minimum $6 billion per year in military aid from the U.S. and billions, I've heard estimates of $40 billion in cash - yearly...no other Middle East country comes close...if Isreal is a regional power it's because the U.S. wished it to be so...

[Nbadan]

There's only one question I have to ask...

If this were John McCain's pastor, and that pastor were spewing white supremacist rhetoric (instead of anti-semitic, anti-white, anti-American rhetoric)... would John McCain be able to survive having called such a man his "mentor", having been in his church for years, having been married by the man, etc.?

The answer should be obvious.

Hagee preaches anti-catholic, anti-anything but white, and anti-American rhetoric all the time...where is your outrage that a guy like this can meet privately with the current President at a whim of a phone call, whenever he pleases? Where is your outrage that Hagee and his 'save Israel' foundation, along with AIPAC, practically write US Middle East policy?

You can't have it both ways, if your gonna condemn Wright's sermons as 'hate speech' then you have zero credibility if you don't condemn Hagee, and John McCain for not immediately rejecting his endorsement.

[Nbadan]

Naturally when McCain receives an endorsement from Hagee, it's not an acceptance of the "Reverend's" views.

Here we are again. Playing this stupid ing game while the country is $9 trillion in debt ($1 tril of that is to the Communist- -Capitalist Chinese), budget deficits as far as the eye can see, unsustainable en lement program liabilities, slowing economic growth, with the dollar hitting all-time lows against every other major currency, $110/bbl oil, residential housing markets in meltdown, the Fed printing money like mad and bailing out Wall Street and we're worried about someone's minister? This is so ing stupid.

I agree, but the wing-nut M$M has every intention to never let the 08 campaign be about real issues because every real issue McCain and Republicans can be running on, Iraq, the economy, heath-care, are all going in the ter....

[Nbadan]

Actually, it was ABC News that broke it this week.

...big surprise there...ABC News has solidified it's FAUX-like mold.....

[Yonivore]

...big surprise there...ABC News has solidified it's FAUX-like mold.....

Whatever, Dan. It wasn't Sean Hannity.

[Mr. Peabody]

Actually, it was ABC News that broke it this week.

How do you "break" a story that has been in the media for months now?

[jochhejaam]

I agree, but the wing-nut M$M has every intention to never let the 08 campaign be about real issues because every real issue McCain and Republicans can be running on, Iraq, the economy, heath-care, are all going in the ter....

Already preparing an excuse for another Democrat debacle in the upcoming election?

Cuomo faults Hillary and Obama.

Cuomo, a Democrat, said the party may be able to avoid a damaging convention fight if Clinton and Obama teamed up on a party ticket, or if the media forced the candidates before then to substantively address big policy issues facing the nation, such as the economy and the war in Iraq.

The second alternative would be to abandon ``phony'' debate formats and instead compel the candidates to answer detailed questions on policy issues, Cuomo said. The approach would allow voters to make a decision based on substance, he said. <---Wow, imagine that! A novel idea if ever I've heard one!

Right now, it's being done by persona: she's a pain in the neck; she's too this; she's too that,'' Cuomo said. Debates, he said, have become a ``glibness contest.''

``They like that because they're both very, very glib,'' Cuomo said. ``That's what allowed them to make such a big thing about race and a big thing about gender, because that gap could be filled with specific answers to the specific questions.''

Candidates should be grilled on their Iraq war positions and how they would improve the economy, said Cuomo, 75.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...efer=worldwide

[Holt's Cat]

And you couldn't help but to engage in the "stupidity" before pontificating from your own little soap box. <below>

Nah, all I pointed out was that both had crazy ministers in their camps. Doesn't necessarily mean that I believe it's that significant in a presidential campaign.

Obama's brought this upon himself by not bolting from, or confronting Uncle Wright as he was making those comments.
IMO, since he did neither, he possibly;
1. doesn't have the intestinal for ude to confront situations that make him uncomfortable or,
2. The abominable, racist, hateful comments from Wright didn't bother him.

These issues are still in the forefront of all major news mediums and they are still issues to be discussed in forums such as this. And the reason they're still hot topics? Because if either of the above, or some other unsavory reasoning behind Obama's apathy to Wright's vitriolic rhetoric are substantiated, then he would not be cut from the timber that enables a man to effectively lead this Country for the next 4 years.

No one is forced to participate in the discussion, so don't participate.

I'll participate in what I feel feel like.

And Holt, if you're so -bent on discussing only the "serious" problems facing our Country and not "stupid" stuff, why are you starting threads such as;
"Where are the TP hatas"?
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89593

Whoa. I posted about the Spurs in a Spurs forum. You really got me now.

If you are so -bent on saving this country from controversial black ministers why are you doing it on a basketball forum? Seriously.

And which of the Country's problems problems are being solved with posts like this;

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87711

I'd say it's a tad bit more important to the Republic to realize who the candidate is making laws for instead of who they claim as their pastor.

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE]

Whoa. I posted about the Spurs in a Spurs forum. You really got me now.

The point was occupying time with "stupid <trivial> things <according to you> while the Country's going to -in-a-handbasket.

If you are so -bent on saving this country from controversial black ministers why are you doing it on a basketball forum? Seriously.

Typical mischaracterization. Integrity is seriously lacking here.

I'd say it's a tad bit more important to the Republic to realize who the candidate is making laws for instead of who they claim as their pastor

Depends on if the candidate's philosophy identifies with his racist pastor.

Both are important

[clambake]

while the Country's going to -in-a-handbasket. it only took me seven years to recognize.

[Nbadan]

How do you "break" a story that has been in the media for months now?

The M$M finally gets their incompetent asses to report it....

[Yonivore]

How do you "break" a story that has been in the media for months now?

Fine, re-broke it. It's the first I've heard of this guy and I heard it from ABC News.

[Spawn]

That's not "trembling." That's liberals scratching their heads and asking themselves, "Do I really want to vote for this Obama guy?" Hillary is working to play latent racial divisions on the left to her advantage, and it's starting to pay dividends.

I do wonder which flavor of black nationalist you are. Please select which vision best fits your views. Also feel free to elaborate.

A) Blacks in America must form a cohesive internal community that values education, economic self-determination, and mutual assistance. This will result in blacks enjoying the same degree of success as other high-achieving ethnic minorities and will compel wider America to deal with blacks on equitable terms and arrive at peaceful co-existence.
B) All of A, but in addition, black self-determination and peaceful co-existence can only be fully achieved through a separate black-ruled nation parceled out from American territory.

C) Most of A, but rather than having has a goal equitable and peaceful co-existence with other races, blacks must achieve complete rule over America and/or subjugation of nonblacks the way blacks were once subjugated.

Option A pretty much sums up my beliefs.

[Spawn]

What I really find funny is that people actually believe that this church is a place where the "militants" reside. This place is so far from being militant. I am from Chicago, and the congregation of this church is filled with mostly well to do people in the Black Bourgeois who go here in order to feel as if they are activists but in actuality are far from it.

[Extra Stout]

Hagee preaches anti-catholic, anti-anything but white, and anti-American rhetoric all the time...where is your outrage that a guy like this can meet privately with the current President at a whim of a phone call, whenever he pleases? Where is your outrage that Hagee and his 'save Israel' foundation, along with AIPAC, practically write US Middle East policy?

You can't have it both ways, if your gonna condemn Wright's sermons as 'hate speech' then you have zero credibility if you don't condemn Hagee, and John McCain for not immediately rejecting his endorsement.

It took Nbadan a while, but he's got his bearings back, and is ready with his talking points. Now Hagee is the successor to Jerry Falwell, with the clout of Billy Graham.

[Extra Stout]

Isreal also gets minimum $6 billion per year in military aid from the U.S. and billions, I've heard estimates of $40 billion in cash - yearly...no other Middle East country comes close...if Isreal is a regional power it's because the U.S. wished it to be so...

That is an anti-Semite talking point. It's one of the excuses Muslims use to explain why Israel is a modern, prosperous state and their countries aren't. It also hearkens back to one of the big drives behind Jew hatred -- that Jewish people can't be that successful on account of their culture; they must be cheating somebody, or some en y out there must be aiding them illicitly.

It's not surprising to hear you regurgitate that, since the modern hard left is anti-Semitic.

[Extra Stout]

Hagee preaches anti-catholic, anti-anything but white, and anti-American rhetoric all the time...where is your outrage that a guy like this can meet privately with the current President at a whim of a phone call, whenever he pleases? Where is your outrage that Hagee and his 'save Israel' foundation, along with AIPAC, practically write US Middle East policy?

You can't have it both ways, if your gonna condemn Wright's sermons as 'hate speech' then you have zero credibility if you don't condemn Hagee, and John McCain for not immediately rejecting his endorsement.

Nice talking point. Link, please?

[Extra Stout]

Option A pretty much sums up my beliefs.

Is there some foundation I can write a check to, to support that?