Manu couldn't sleep and wrote an article (need translation)

[Cherry]

You get over it....I'm glad he's with the Rockets.

If you are glad, why you write all this?

[whottt]

If you are glad, why you write all this?

I remember whottt, in his ever-present Scola hate, hinted at some point that Manu and Scola did not get along

Argentina started it....just like Luis(it'd be better if I hadn't been drafted at all) Scola.

[wildchild]

in addition to this... even Oberto admits Luis is better than he'll ever be... suck it whottt.. that's it...

link? Don't lie.

I can see manu saying that..... after smoking a gram of crack

Everyone knows Scola is >>>> Oberto, this has been a fact for years and years. Even if Oberto is a nicer guy, Manu did not come here to make friends, remember? he would pick Scola in a heartbeat

A perfectly normal child could grow up to be crazy ignorant by being raised with other poor men (nkdlunch, hater, uronobili, ArgSpursFan, ducks, Manu4Tres, SpurDynasty21, and other Oberto hater and Scola lovers).

Li'l sis it's too late for all of you.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

You get over it....I'm glad he's with the Rockets.


I just wish all his fans would join him.......................


Instread of pretending to be fans of the Spurs and their "incompetent" Front Office. Go root for Scola...and the Rockets and their "smart" FO.

Have any of the non-Argie fans (regulars), defended the acquisition of Scola when those news snippets were released that showed what kind of character Scola had been (the comments, etc.), or were they not as bothered by those comments? I wasn't around the forum at the time.

Seems like you have valid reasons to dislike the guy, in comparison to the other two we got--Oberto, Manu who seem to be pretty mature in their comments,

you're doing a lot of extrapolating, though. I thought he had a pretty good interview earlier in this season that seemed to reflect the other Argie-team..but whatever those comments you mentioned about the draft seem to show his possible immaturity/ the mark of an ingrate.

[Cherry]

You get over it....I'm glad he's with the Rockets.


I just wish all his fans would join him.......................


Instread of pretending to be fans of the Spurs and their "incompetent" Front Office. Go root for Scola...and the Rockets and their "smart" FO.

Look, if you are angry, it's not my fault, i don't say anything like fu** front office, fire pop...anything. I'm still a Spurs fan if i say Steve Nash is great and i don't get mad for what the others posters want to say.

Just get over it.

[kolko]

Direct link with quotes please for #1, #2 & #4,

"Luis estaba muy triste. Todos lo estamos. Es lo peor que le podía haber pasado. Queríamos que saliera en primera o nada. En segunda no nos sirve." (Mike Cound, el asistente de su agente estadoounidense)

http://old.ole.com.ar/diario/2002/06/27/d-408407.htm

"Luis was so sad. Everyone are. It's the worst thing it could have happened to him. We wanted him to be drafted in the first round or nothing. In second round, we don`t need it." (Mike Cound, his agent assistant)

[timvp]

1. The night Scola was drafted he said, it'd better if I hadn't been drafted at all.

I know you weren't here then...that was before Manu was even on the team. There was only one Argie here then...and his name was Fizzzar.

2. In 2004 RC Buford asked Scola where was the rebounding, at which point Scola got indignant(to his credit, he improved his rebounding after than, even in Europe).

3. In 2004, when asked about joining the Spurs during the Olympic tournament, Scola flat otu said he didn't care about the Spurs, he wasn't think about them.

4. Several times during Scola's negotiations with the Spurs during offseasons, there were rumors that Scola was infuriated with the Spurs and would never play for them.

I haven't read the whole Scola argument but I'll chime in on these points.

1. Yeah, that's true. Scola said he went to sleep after the first round and when he woke up, he was pissed to learn that he was drafted by the Spurs in the second round. He did say that he wish he would have gone undrafted.

2. Also true. I'm not sure about the exact year ... actually, I think it happened more than once. And yeah, Scola got pissed that RC emailed him telling him to rebound more. It turned out that Scola was right that his rebounding was fine, but he handled it wrong. You don't publicly call out the Spurs' FO because of an email.

3. True but that was a token answer. I don't blame him for not caring about the Spurs at that point.

4. I remember those rumors but it's tough to say what was true and what was false. The Argentine media would come out with one story in one newspaper and then a totally different story in another newspaper. Plus, Scola had like five people who would talk on his behalf so it was confusing.

While I do think the Spurs handled the Scola situation poorly throughout the whole time he was their property, Scola and his representatives didn't handle it well either. There was animosity throughout and when all was said and done, the Spurs apparently couldn't overlook the animosity and see there was actually a good player on the other side of the line.

Oh well. F Scola. F the Rockets.

The playoffs are too close to be caring about offseason mistakes. Hopefully Scola gets his azz swept in the first round so this talk can go away.

[Malik Rows]

I sit alone in my four-cornered room staring at candles
Oh that is on? Heh
Let me drop some like this here Real smooth

Verse One: Manu G



At night I can't sleep, I toss and turn
Candle sticks in the dark, visions of losses being turned
Four walls just staring at a
I'm paranoid, sleeping with my finger on the trigga
My momma's always stressing I ain't living right
But I ain't going out without a fight
See, everytime my eyes close
I start sweatin, and blood starts comin out my nose
It's somebody watchin' the Ak'
But I don't know who it is, so I'm watchin my back
I can see him when I'm deep in the covers
When I awake I don't see the mother er
He owns a black hat like I own
A black suit and a cane like my own
Some might say "take a chill, MG"
But that , there's a trying to kill me
I'm poppin' in a clip when the wind blows
Every twenty seconds got me peeping out my window
Investigating the joint for traps
Checking my telephone for taps
I'm staring at the woman on the corner
It's ed up when your mind is playing tricks on you

Verse Two: Timmy D



I make big money, I drive big cars
Everybody know me, it's like I'm a movie star
But late at night, somethin ain't right
I feel I'm being tailed by the same sucker's head lights
Is it that fool that I ran off the block
Or is it that last week that I shot
Or is it the one I beat for five thousand dollars
Thought he had 'caine but it was Gold Medal Flour
Reach under my seat, grabbed my popper for the suckers
Ain't no use to be lying, I was scareder than a mother er
Hooked a left into Popeye’s and beared down quick
If it's going down let's get this over with
Here they come, just like I figured
I got my hand on the mother ing trigger
What I saw'll make your ass start giggling
Three blind, crippled and crazy senior citizens
I live by the sword
I take my boys everywhere I go
Because I'm paranoid
I keep looking over my shoulder and peeping around corners
My mind is playing tricks on me

Verse Three: Scarface



Day by day it's more impossible to cope
I feel like I'm the one that's doing dope
Can't keep a steady hand because I'm nervous
Every Sunday morning I'm in service
Praying for forgiveness
And trying to find an exit out of the business
I know the Lord is looking at me
But yet and still it's hard for me to feel happy
I often drift when I drive
Havin fatal thoughts of suicide
BANG and get it over with
And then I'm worry-free, but that's bull
I got a little boy to look after
And if I died then my child would be a bas
I had a woman down with me
But to me it seemed like she was down to get me
She helped me out in this
But to me she was just another
Now she's back with her mother
Now I'm realizing that I love her
Now I'm feeling lonely
My mind is playing tricks on me

Verse Four: Bushwick Bob



This year Halloween fell on a weekend
Me and Los Spurs are trick-or-treating
Robbing little kids for bags
Till a law man got behind our ass
So we speeded up the pace
Took a look back and he was right before our face
He'd be in for a squable no doubt
So I swung and hit the in his mouth
He was going down, we figga'd
But this wasn’t no ordinary
He stood about six or seven feet
Now, that's the I'd been seeing in my sleep
So we triple-teamed on him
Dropping them mother in beads on him
The more I swung the more blood flew
Then he disappeared and my boys disappeared, too
Then I felt just like a fiend
It wasn't even close to Halloween
It was dark as on the streets
My hands were all bloody from punching on the concrete
God damn, homie
My mind is playing tricks on me

[InK]

If you were real Spurfan...there'd be no way you'd root for the Rockets...but of course, the reasons behind that mindset predated Manu being on this team...and I seriously doubt you were a Spurfan then.

First of all, and to get it out of the way, i dont root for the Rockets. Im not from Argentina, and i have no preferences towards the argentinian players based solely on their nationality, but i will admit i like how the vast majority of argentinians play. And yes, you are correct in your last assumption, not due to your amazing insight, as you would probably like to beleive, but due to a mere coincidence.

What you lack, is some insight into a mind of an international fan. Under which category i fall as well. The reason why people become fans has probably got to do a lot with identification, of one type or another. What type of identification will international fans most likely pick, with no ties to the community in which the club is based, no inhereted preferences, almost no televisioned games before this decade, small media coverage in the country they live....and so on. Will they choose their team by a logo, or based on who played whom in the finals last year (or a decade ago)....or will they go with a team, for which their countrymen play, and whos matches actually get aired from time to time in their own country? Will they go with a team, who beleived in their player, the player who is most likely one of the "chosen few" in their country, the player that they themselfs probably had such high hopes...and so on.

And yes i agree with you on the point that such fans cannot be called Spurs fans ( in this case) or Rockets fans ( in another), but this is the begginings of an "evolution of a fan", and this is how at the end of the process real, dedicated fans were, are, and will be formed. If you can't see that, then maybe your not the guy who should be making havoc for the value of a good disput.

3. You have to be an idiot to base your NBA fandom on National Rooting Interest. It cannot be done. The NBA has nothing to do with National Baketball...why don't you go try to swim in a car...it makes more sense.

So what should the base that DRAWS international fans into watching and following NBA be, and more importantly, how does their local network market that base?

[wildchild]

WAAAYYY off... we love Oberto...

Try to stamp out sarcasm. You hate the guy.

[Bruno]

timvp wasn't enough for whottt. He is now aguing with a whole continent.
Next step is whottt versus the world.

[WalterBenitez]

timvp wasn't enough for whottt. He is now aguing with a whole continent.
Next step is whottt versus the world.

universe is still out there

[wildchild]

timvp wasn't enough for whottt. He is now aguing with a whole continent.
Next step is whottt versus the world.

Grand ami the argies aren't a whole continent. You looked up the argies on the map? Not even are on the map? Poor them.

[whottt]

First of all, and to get it out of the way, i dont root for the Rockets. Im not from Argentina, and i have no preferences towards the argentinian players based solely on their nationality, but i will admit i like how the vast majority of argentinians play. And yes, you are correct in your last assumption, not due to your amazing insight, as you would probably like to beleive, but due to a mere coincidence.

What you lack, is some insight into a mind of an international fan. Under which category i fall as well. The reason why people become fans has probably got to do a lot with identification, of one type or another. What type of identification will international fans most likely pick, with no ties to the community in which the club is based, no inhereted preferences, almost no televisioned games before this decade, small media coverage in the country they live....and so on. Will they choose their team by a logo, or based on who played whom in the finals last year (or a decade ago)....or will they go with a team, for which their countrymen play, and whos matches actually get aired from time to time in their own country? Will they go with a team, who beleived in their player, the player who is most likely one of the "chosen few" in their country, the player that they themselfs probably had such high hopes...and so on.

What you lack is an awareness of any posts I have made on this board prior to 3-04-2008. I have been interacting with International Fans on this board for several years(alternatenly championing their causes or pissing them off). It's presumption on your part to think you can stroll in and be as inrormed of the backstory behind these conflicts as I, or have an adequate grasp of said conflict...and while that is a trait I have noticed in some American fans...it tends to be an extremely frequent occurence with Intrernational Fans.



While I appreciate your detailed and polite attempts to explain the obvious to me...I still consider it to be condescending that you think these obvious facts escape me...but I realize it is probably not intentional on your part so I'll just say...




Argentina can't pull that card, they have enough NBA players to where it's time to STFU and pick a team.

And yes i agree with you on the point that such fans cannot be called Spurs fans ( in this case) or Rockets fans ( in another), but this is the begginings of an "evolution of a fan", and this is how at the end of the process real, dedicated fans were, are, and will be formed. If you can't see that, then maybe your not the guy who should be making havoc for the value of a good disput.

I am well aware of that...and if you were half as clever as you think you are, you'd have realized the intent of my bet...

You'd also have probably realized that I was in fact being sarcastic about rooting for Satan over the Rockets...after all, doesn't have a basketball team.

So what should the base that DRAWS international fans into watching and following NBA be, and more importantly, how does their local network market that base?

I completely understand the idea of a person becoming a fan of the NBA based on an initial affection for a player, usually coming from their own country...

The Argies have 5 or 6 NBA players. And some of these guys have been here for a few years now...they don't get to use that excuse.


They need to STFU and pick their NBA team.




WE have a hard time respecting fans with this mindset or taking anything they say seriously......because they see everything through the prism of that one player, and they are fairweather fans of the team.


None of this is new to me...next year we will get an influx of Brazillians, and the cycle will begin anew...with even some Argies sounding like whottt when talking to the Brazillians.

And they'll be just as right as I am now...



After all, there's nothing more annoying than a fan that jacks off to the boxscore of one player, regardless of whether or not his team won. You can tolerate it for a while...but after a while, it's time for them to "get it".

[Bruno]

Grand ami the argies aren't a whole continent. You looked up the argies on the map?

urunobili is from Uruguay.

[whottt]

"Luis estaba muy triste. Todos lo estamos. Es lo peor que le podía haber pasado. Queríamos que saliera en primera o nada. En segunda no nos sirve." (Mike Cound, el asistente de su agente estadoounidense)

http://old.ole.com.ar/diario/2002/06/27/d-408407.htm

"Luis was so sad. Everyone are. It's the worst thing it could have happened to him. We wanted him to be drafted in the first round or nothing. In second round, we don`t need it." (Mike Cound, his agent assistant)

Thank you kolko...


As you can see MMLH...I wasn't making it up, any of it.


And if anyone actually reads my evaluations of Scola...they'll find them pretty accurate...

And I wasn't 100% against signing Scola either...at any point...


But after a while he kept saying these insulting things, and while I can say he had a reason to say them...I don't like that he said them, and he kept doing it, every offseason...

To the point where I just said...get this fcking scrub out of here.




And I would not be surprised to find out he did force the trade...it would answer quite a few questions...


After all, the Spurs went from, according to Ploto, demanding 2 #1 picks for him...to dumping him as quickly as possible for whatever they could get.


I know Scola fans want to claim the Spurs were being stupid and didn't realize his value...but if that's the case, why were they demanding 2 #1 picks for him?

[wildchild]

urunobili is from Uruguay.

différence?

I'm kidding. Je ne suis pas difficile.

[E20]

These Scola threads have blasted the WTF cares-status a while ago. This is getting ollllllllllldddddddddddddddddddd. I agree with Timvp's last sentence.

[whottt]

timvp wasn't enough for whottt. He is now aguing with a whole continent.
Next step is whottt versus the world.

Once I was the champion of Argentina, when I defended Manu...now they want my emnity because I don't defend an ahole and throw my loyalty to our arch enemy.


It's like I've gone from being Evita to Videla overnight

[ChumpDumper]

I know Scola fans want to claim the Spurs were being stupid and didn't realize his value...but if that's the case, why were they demanding 2 #1 picks for him?

Is there any verification on this? Seems pretty sketchy considering the rule preventing teams from trading consecutive picks.

That and the utter preposterousness of the idea.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

These Scola threads have blasted the WTF cares-status a while ago. This is getting ollllllllllldddddddddddddddddddd. I agree with Timvp's last sentence.

Seriously, this thread devolved into another Scola one pretty fast.

[Cherry]

Once I was the champion of Argentina, when I defended Manu...now they want my emnity because I don't defend an ahole and throw my loyalty to our arch enemy.


It's like I've gone from being Evita to Videla overnight

I can understand you. Now, relax or take a cup of tea

We where talking about an article? oh

[diego]

Um...what if I think there is a good chance the Rockets will advance to the second round for reasons entirely unrelated to Scola?

No...that wasn't a good bet, because that bet is about the Rockets team performance and not Scola.

IF Scola was not on the Rockets, I still would not take that bet.

If Scola fans want to prove something by tying it into team success...then let's bet on if the Rockets will beat the Spurs.

I mean afterall...a player worth a seasons worth of ing should be able to get his team past the Spurs....I mean the Rockets FO is so much smarter and well run than the Spurs.

Let's make the bet...you guys want ride Houston...then ride them. Get off the fence.

Everyone ing about what a horrible trade this was...

Bet me that the Rockets will beat the Spurs should they meet in the playoffs.

1. Scola is an asshole. That is the prmary reason I don't like him.

2. I never said he was going to be the worst player in history. I said he wouldn't translate to the NBA as well as Manu.....he won't. Scola will never be anything close to the MVP candidate he was in Europe in the NBA, he will be a very average player that will wind up a backup PF.

IOW...all the people acting like this is a big deal are fools, blinded by a blue and white flag or plain old ignorance.

3. For all we know, Scola forced the trade.

FWIW...I thougth we'd get more for Scola than we got...you just have to convince me the Spurs had that opportunity. I don't think they did.

i went out to dinner after work so i got caught behind, but i'll take a minute to answer before going to bed...

if you think the rockets are getting past the 1st round, you are en led to your opinion- i dont share it. ironically enough, i think this way for reasons you yourself have championed- they lack D, have lots of chokers, and are a "new" team. i would have taken the bet, and i'd take the one you propose in a heartbeat, and in fact i seem to recall both smeagol and manumaniac did take it- what bandwagoning argie homers we all are! i myself got into it with argspursfan before you, or the trade for that matter.

as far as your enumerated points, 1 is entirely opinion, 2 is exactly what my original point consisted of (that scola is a good backup pf for 3mill, not a mvp candidate and not on manu's level, though a better rebounder and scorer than you predicted), and 3 is speculation.

as for your closing statement, my position has always been that given the assets the spurs have and their position in the draft, scola was good enough of a gamble to just trade away for a 2nd round pick- how many times do you expect to draft an experienced professional player with a 2nd round pick?

anyhow now i'm pissed you are lumping me into the group that dramatized the trade and glorified scola. i never did either. i've always said the spurs made the trade looking at the future and it is premature to judge it from our end, and that scola is nothing more than a roleplayer- with two +/- factors being that here he'd have manu and oberto to guide him, but that pop and our aspirations would complicate his transition relative to houston.

with that said i think you've made as much of a big deal of all this as any scola homer has, which prompted me to address you, but now i will return to not commenting on the subject at all as it matters little to me- the only things i want as far as basketball is concerned is a spurs repeat and an argentina repeat in beijing.

[Avitus1]

Only 15 games, they will right the ship. Thanks for the translation.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

calling out Duncan and Parker is seems