Kidd Trade - Good or bad?

[mavsfan1000]

Again, you neglected to answer my question.

Terry is also not an option to start at the 2. If I had my way I'd groom Wright for that spot, but Stackhouse is the best option when he returns. When the playoffs roll around, you don't want Terry starting in that position.

As far as "getting over the hump against the Spurs" - yes, it was a great series, but you need to let it go. That was then. Who's to say it automatically works again against a Spurs team that would know it's coming? It damn near didn't work, come the end of Game 7.

Doesn't matter how well we matchup against our old team. It is about how we matchup to the elite teams in the West. Negative on the Spurs, negative against the Hornets, and negative against the Lakers.

[Shank]

Lol at you thinking Stackhouse is the best option. The reason Dallas is winning more now is because Terry got the starting spot. Stackhouse can't guard anyone and he is a poor shooter on most nights. Harris is a much better player now also. Harris has established himself as a threat from outside. The spurs are better able to handle the strengths of Kidd's game.

I'm through with you.

You've refused to answer my simple question a number of times and now you're spouting off some BS about how Terry is a better option at 2 guard than Stackhouse and that they're winning based on Terry getting back into the top 5. Newsflash - when Stackhouse returns, the starting 2 is his again and Terry goes back to bench. I suppose now you think you can manage this team better than Avery and will scoff when you see this happen? That was some work Terry did on Monta Ellis last week. Completely shut him down. Terry is more of a defensive liability than Stackhouse. He may be a better shooter, but he's streaky and can go ice-cold just as quickly as he can heat up. I'll take Stackhouse's veteran play, his toughness and willingness to drive over anything Terry can provide starting at the 2.

So, I'll ask it once again - would this current build of the Mavericks beat the Harris/Diop lineup?

[Shank]

Doesn't matter how well we matchup against our old team. It is about how we matchup to the elite teams in the West. Negative on the Spurs, negative against the Hornets, and negative against the Lakers.

No, it does matter about how they'd match up against themselves. Your argument is that the old version of the team is better than the new one. I'm trying to get you to comprehend that the team is better now than it was before, regardless of any specific WC matchup. This team, as it is now, is one of the most talented the Mavs have ever had - even better than what was trotted out in the 2006 Finals. Now, what they do with that potential is up to them - but I'm saying, as a group, they're fairly solid. If they go out there and win the whole thing, then great - good for them. It would prove the made the most out of what they had and Avery used all of his players in the roles necessary. If they go out and the bed and completely collapse in the first round again - then it's been a waste of a season, but it doesn't mean you blow the team up. It means the guys didn't play up to their potential and the coaching staff didn't do their part to play the right combinations at the right times.

The bodies are there, the skills and mentality are there. It's up to this current build of the Mavericks to go out there and make something happen. If they don't, then there's always next year. It's as it's always been.

[monosylab1k]

Stephen Jackson is a matchup nightmare for Dirk.

Yeah he was, uh, really a nightmare a week ago.

[monosylab1k]

They have one less slasher and shotblocker. Like said before, I took everything in account and Harris has the slight edge to Kidd through 77 games.

Devin Harris hasn't played 77 games.

[monosylab1k]

It is a layup fest once they go small. No one to guard the rim.

Prove it.

[Findog]

Devin Harris hasn't played 77 games.

Devin's a nice player, he does some good things, and I won't completely throw him under the bus to puff up Kidd. Having said that, none of these Devin knobgobblers want to acknowledge that you can't depend on him to play a full season. He's ALWAYS been injury-prone. You can't say the same for Kidd.

[Findog]

Prove it.

Avery was pretty dumb to trap Kobe at the end of the Lakers game with Kidd and Damp, and Gasol/Odom had a field day attacking Dirk on one leg. Other than that, I'll go with my own eyes and the efficiency stats that demonstrate our defense has gotten better with Kidd. Yes, he'll get clowned by CP3 and Deron Williams, but so does everybody, including Devin.

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No they haven't. It is a layup fest once they go small. No one to guard the rim. It will definitely be exposed in the playoffs.

Playing small won them a playoff series against the Spurs.

[monosylab1k]

Gasol/Odom had a field day attacking Dirk on one leg. Other than that

Doubly stupid was putting Terry/Howard on those two and leaving Dirk as a help defender.

And I'll take my chances with Kidd one-on-one against Kobe. He can keep him in front of him well enough to force Kobe into a jumper. If you're going to double, use Howard or Terry, not Dampier. Make Kobe pass out to Vujacic or Farmar or Walton or whoever, not Gasol or Odom with a 6-inch plus size advantage.

This team has played damn good defense, and if not for a long series of brain coaching decisions, they would have 3 or 4 more wins against playoff teams since the Kidd trade.

[mavsfan1000]

Playing small won them a playoff series against the Spurs.

They didn't play small for the most part. Most of the time Diop or Dampier were in the game. The spurs were the ones that went small with Bowen at PF. No shotblocker out there and no interior defense. Just look at the 03-04 Mavs to prove how important a defensive center is to their game.

[Harry Callahan]

Worse from a Spurs fan Point of view. Less active on perimeter defense and shot blocking. This Mavs team will be nowhere near as effective as the 05-06 team.

[DaDakota]

Worse from a Spurs fan Point of view. Less active on perimeter defense and shot blocking. This Mavs team will be nowhere near as effective as the 05-06 team.

Exactly........sure Dirk will or should get more shots, but that was NEVER their problem to begin with.....

Now they have a terrific passing PG who is laterally slow and can't shoot.

Not gonna work.

DD

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They didn't play small for the most part. Most of the time Diop or Dampier were in the game. The spurs were the ones that went small with Bowen at PF. No shotblocker out there and no interior defense. Just look at the 03-04 Mavs to prove how important a defensive center is to their game.

And you know who was out there for the majority of that series playing C for Dallas?

and it wasn't Diop...

[mavsfan1000]

And you know who was out there for the majority of that series playing C for Dallas?

and it wasn't Diop...

You know who was key for us in overtime in game 7? It wasn't Dampier.

[Findog]

You know who was key for us in overtime in game 7? It wasn't Dampier.

Right, because Damp defended Duncan the whole game and wore him down. Diop came in on fresh legs and got to guard him when he was exhausted. Nice performance from Diop, but he is NOT Bill Russell. There is a reason Avery chose to play Dampier 30+ and use Diop as an emergency reserve.

You don't have to like the trade, but you might get taken more seriously if you don't slob Gana's knob.

[monosylab1k]

You know who was key for us in overtime in game 7? It wasn't Dampier.

That's because he fouled out you ing dumbass.

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You know who was key for us in overtime in game 7? It wasn't Dampier.

You know who isn't a part of the Mavs anymore and is doing jack for a terrible eastern conference team while the guy he previously backed up is still the starting center for a championship contending team and has put up better numbers his entire career?
It's not Dampier.

[monosylab1k]

We've got guys in the league as 3PT specialists, or rebounding specialists, Horry as a "clutch" specialist.......but I think DeSagana Diop is the first ever "OT of a Game 7" specialist. Because that's the only time he's ever any good.

[Findog]

If we play the Spurs and it goes to overtime in Game 7, we're basically ed

[Findog]

Remember when Walt Williams hit that clutch three for us in double overtime of that playoff game against the Kings 5 years ago? We should've never gotten rid of him. How can you get rid of a guy who once made a good play for your team?

[monosylab1k]

Wanna rock the in OT of a Game 7? This is your man!



Need a consistent backup center for 82 games? look elsewhere.

[monosylab1k]

Remember when Walt Williams hit that clutch three for us in double overtime of that playoff game against the Kings 5 years ago? We should've never gotten rid of him. How can you get rid of a guy who once made a good play for your team?

Remember when Antoine Walker hit that gamewinner? Stupid idea to let him go. Then like idiots we trade him for Jason Terry. Everyone knows you're never supposed to get smaller when you make a trade.

[Findog]

Remember when Antoine Walker hit that gamewinner? Stupid idea to let him go. Then like idiots we trade him for Jason Terry. Everyone knows you're never supposed to get smaller when you make a trade.

Remember when Calvin Booth hit that layup against Utah? Why the did we not give him a max contract?

[mavsfan1000]

I wonder if Findog and monosylab1k are the same person. They say the same dumb and are completely ignorant to stats.