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  1. #151
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    Harris was our fourth or fifth-best player during the Finals run. He was probably our third-best player by the time of the trade and we got somebody better than him at his position.

    Tell me something, how did "best defensive point guard in the NBA" Devin Harris do against Dwyane Wade in that series?
    Dwyane Wade is a shooting guard. Btw the Heat aren't a threat anymore so we don't have to matchup to them. New Orleans, San Antonio, and the Lakers are the teams we need to match up against. Dampier by himself at center will get killed by the Lakers front line, Kidd will get killed by Chris Paul, and Kidd will get killed by Parker. All of which are within realm for Harris and Diop to handle.

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    Maybe he's convinced me.

    From what "Mavsfan"1000 writes, I've concluded that Jason Kidd is the worst player in the history of the NBA.

    Paul Shirley > The kid that played "Webster" on TV > Re ed baby manatee with no eyeballs > Styrofoam >>>>> Jason Kidd (on a good day)
    Last edited by Shank; 04-13-2008 at 05:22 PM.

  3. #153
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    Maybe he's convinced me.

    From what "Mavsfan"1000 writes, I've concluded that Jason Kidd is the worst player in the history of the NBA.

    Paul Shirley > The kid that played "Webster" on TV > Re ed baby manatee with no eyeballs > Stryofoam >>>>> Jason Kidd (on a good day)
    Nope. That's not even close to what I'm trying to say. What I'm saying is Dallas would be better with Harris and Diop than with Kidd for the 2008 playoffs. Many mavs fans feel that way but only the homers are the ones that come out since it's not an enjoyable topic to talk about your teams mistakes.

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    Dwyane Wade is a shooting guard.
    He was also the Heat's best perimeter player and Devin was our best perimeter defender.

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    Haha, in what universe is AI better than Kidd?
    This one. AI can score at will, he can shoot the midrange jumper and the 3 ball, and he can also drive and finish at the rim. He can't defend, but he can lit up any team for 35+, more than enough to offset what he gives at the other end.

    I mean really, this one isn't even close.

  6. #156
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    I"m not seeing it. The mavs offense is much better against the zone(they beat it with the pass and not the 3pt shot) and kidd does what devin couldn't, get a team fast-break going versus a devin fast break.

    We have two starters dirk/damp that are playing much better with kidd than devin and the mavs defense is not worse with kidd. I think it's actually better in 100ppg measures but I can't be sure.

    What's concerning me is that avery seems to think he's an offensive coach and he continues to sub out defense for offense when trying to close games. Last night was a good example where damp doesn't play the 4th.

    He had malik allen/juwan howard out there. Now they "may" be quicker but they sure didn't and are not going to score more than damp and they don't rebound/pick anywhere near as well. They surely don't defend the rim.

    IMO the mavs incosistency this year is right at the feet of avery. Much like the last two series as well imo.

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    I"m not seeing it. The mavs offense is much better against the zone(they beat it with the pass and not the 3pt shot) and kidd does what devin couldn't, get a team fast-break going versus a devin fast break.

    We have two starters dirk/damp that are playing much better with kidd than devin and the mavs defense is not worse with kidd. I think it's actually better in 100ppg measures but I can't be sure.

    What's concerning me is that avery seems to think he's an offensive coach and he continues to sub out defense for offense when trying to close games. Last night was a good example where damp doesn't play the 4th.

    He had malik allen/juwan howard out there. Now they "may" be quicker but they sure didn't and are not going to score more than damp and they don't rebound/pick anywhere near as well. They surely don't defend the rim.

    IMO the mavs incosistency this year is right at the feet of avery. Much like the last two series as well imo.
    Harris had the same coach Kidd had in Dallas. Blaming Avery for Dallas's record with Kidd should also be blamed with his record with Harris. Maybe Harris/Johnson was a better relationship as Harris was willing to listen and let Avery groom him into a point guard he wanted while Kidd I just don't see that happening. I agree though that Dampier should be getting more minutes and that Avery thinks he's Don Nelson with the lineups he has out there. Dampier only getting 21 minutes against Portland is ridiculous.

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    This one. AI can score at will, he can shoot the midrange jumper and the 3 ball, and he can also drive and finish at the rim. He can't defend, but he can lit up any team for 35+, more than enough to offset what he gives at the other end.

    I mean really, this one isn't even close.

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    Kidd can't defend half of the point guards in the West either. You said so yourself. Furthermore, and unlike AI, he won't outscore any of said PGs. And BTW, are you gonna throw him under the bus just like you did with Harris once his shooting starts stinking up the joint in the playoffs?
    I mean, it sounds like Lue is an AllStar compared to Harris.

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    Kidd can't defend half of the point guards in the West either. You said so yourself. Furthermore, and unlike AI, he won't outscore any of said PGs. And BTW, are you gonna throw him under the bus just like you did with Harris once his shooting starts stinking up the joint in the playoffs?
    I mean, it sounds like Lue is an AllStar compared to Harris.
    Kidd makes his teammates better and makes the game easier for them. All AI does is score.

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    Kidd makes his teammates better and makes the game easier for them. All AI does is score.
    Who's playing better? Dampier? If he makes everybody around him better how come the team ain't winning as much? I call BS. That's the Kool Aid the media was serving when the trade was made, but the reality is that Kidd is way past his prime.

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    Who's playing better? Dampier? If he makes everybody around him better how come the team ain't winning as much? I call BS. That's the Kool Aid the media was serving when the trade was made, but the reality is that Kidd is way past his prime.
    Thanks man. Someone gets it.

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    Another loss. Yep this Kidd trade has made the difference.

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    Thanks man. Someone gets it.
    Kidd is so good he makes players on the other team better too.

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    We deserve the Fakers after an embarrassing loss like this.

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    Who's playing better? Dampier?
    Dirk, Terry and Josh as well.

    If he makes everybody around him better how come the team ain't winning as much?
    Injuries, much more difficult schedule, and completely changing the offense.

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    We deserve the Fakers after an embarrassing loss like this.
    You can root for the Lakers for all I care.



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    You can root for the Lakers for all I care.


    I could care less who you root for as well.

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    I could care less who you root for as well.
    Well, I won't jump ship to the Blazers or some other up and coming team.

    The Mavs this year were a ty road team with Devin and they've been a ty road team with Kidd.

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    Well, I won't jump ship to the Blazers or some other up and coming team.

    The Mavs this year were a ty road team with Devin and they've been a ty road team with Kidd.
    29-13 looks good compared to the team we have now. This team was looking good in January. The Harris injury changed the whole season as Cuban panicked. The rest is history.

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    JKidd vs Sonics:
    4 pts, 6 rbs, 8 ast, 1 stl

    AI vs Rockets:
    33 pts, 7 rbs, 7 ast, 4 stls, 1 blk

    We can do this all year...

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    JKidd vs Sonics:
    4 pts, 6 rbs, 8 ast, 1 stl

    AI vs Rockets:
    33 pts, 7 rbs, 7 ast, 4 stls, 1 blk

    We can do this all year...
    But Iverson can't play defense.

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    29-13 looks good compared to the team we have now. This team was looking good in January. The Harris injury changed the whole season as Cuban panicked. The rest is history.
    You don't get it. It's the schedule, your team happened to have to play SEA and POR...

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    AI would fit better in Dallas, they need someone to help Dirk consistently with the scoring load. And Dallas still doesn't get that many easy baskets, from what I've seen they still tend to a slow, methodical halfcourt offense late in games, in which Kidd is not very effective.

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    JKidd vs Sonics:
    4 pts, 6 rbs, 8 ast, 1 stl

    AI vs Rockets:
    33 pts, 7 rbs, 7 ast, 4 stls, 1 blk

    We can do this all year...

    Ok, so on April 13, 2008, AI was better than Kidd.

    AI is just his generation's Pete Maravich. I thought as a Spurs fan you would appreciate the defensive side of the equation. Nobody can guard CP3 or Deron, Kidd or anybody else. But I have to give a huge edge to Kidd on D.

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