Spurs trade ideas

[KingKev]

I doubt Pat Riley would do this. But other GMs maybe "interested" to prolong misery for their teams

I read PHX would be interested in giving him 100mm for 2 years but doubt they could make it work and Beal would have to be involved.

[LeBowen]

What could Vassell and KJ get us in return?
Adding in Collins/Branham Picks as needed?

Trey MurphyIII/Herb Jones?

D'Aaron Fox/Huerter?

Cam Johnson/DFS?

I'd say Devin is worth 2, probably not 3 FRPs because of his team friendly deal that just started and potential upside.
Keldon is a neutral, fairly cheap contract.
Collins is a negative.
Tre is worth some SRPs because he's a decent backup on expiring deal.
Branham is worthless, maybe some teams rate Wesley.

I'd say Cam Johnson is worth 2 good FRPs. Cam and DFS for Devin, Wesley and some SRPs would be fair.

Fox isn't for sale unless he rejects an extension his summer. If he does, he's probably worth 5 FRPs.
I'd do Devin, ATL '27 and SAC 20131 swap returned for Fox. Might look like an underpay, but he'll be on an expiring deal next summer.
Huerter is garbage.

Murphy is the most untradeable NOLA player, Herb's team friendly deal really inflates his value, they'd ask for 2 good FRPs.

[Pauleta14]

I'd say Devin is worth 2, probably not 3 FRPs because of his team friendly deal that just started and potential upside.
Keldon is a neutral, fairly cheap contract.
Collins is a negative.
Tre is worth some SRPs because he's a decent backup on expiring deal.
Branham is worthless, maybe some teams rate Wesley.

I'd say Cam Johnson is worth 2 good FRPs. Cam and DFS for Devin, Wesley and some SRPs would be fair.

Fox isn't for sale unless he rejects an extension his summer. If he does, he's probably worth 5 FRPs.
I'd do Devin, ATL '27 and SAC 20131 swap returned for Fox. Might look like an underpay, but he'll be on an expiring deal next summer.
Huerter is garbage.

Murphy is the most untradeable NOLA player, Herb's team friendly deal really inflates his value, they'd ask for 2 good FRPs.

I heard yesterday that Cam Johnson has a $4.5M trade kicker that would raise his salary close to $30M and make him a lot less attractive on the market. Spurs would need more than Dev and Wes

[BacktoBasics]

I heard yesterday that Cam Johnson has a $4.5M trade kicker that would raise his salary close to $30M and make him a lot less attractive on the market. Spurs would need more than Dev and Wes

I know Cam is a ST darling but I wouldn't move Vassell for Cam. I don't believe you're moving the needle in any significant way there. Now if we had an additional volume scorer that was panning out I could see that being a more pragmatic deal.

[LeBowen]

I heard yesterday that Cam Johnson has a $4.5M trade kicker that would raise his salary close to $30M and make him a lot less attractive on the market. Spurs would need more than Dev and Wes

Players often waive kickers when they get traded to their preferred destinations. They don't when they get dumped to tanking teams. Barnes waived his when he was joining.

I know Cam is a ST darling but I wouldn't move Vassell for Cam. I don't believe you're moving the needle in any significant way there. Now if we had an additional volume scorer that was panning out I could see that being a more pragmatic deal.

I wouldn't trade healthy and consistent Devin, but if he can't get his together this season...
But I'd rather save him for potential Fox trade. We could get Cam for Keldon and a pick or two.

[rascal]

If the Spurs are serious about making the playoffs this year they will trade some of their draft assets to make a roster upgrade and bring in a difference maker who will get the Spurs into the playoffs.

[onechance87]

If the Spurs are serious about making the playoffs this year they will trade some of their draft assets to make a roster upgrade and bring in a difference maker who will get the Spurs into the playoffs.

Nah this roster still needs more young talent coming in to grow with wemby.This group of young guys we got aint it.Bad choice
to keep investing in wesley,keldon and branham ect.Waste of money and time.Everybody knew execpt this dumb front office that they
did not fit with wemby or were anything special.Not sure why the front office values them so high.

[jjspur]

I'd say Devin is worth 2, probably not 3 FRPs because of his team friendly deal that just started and potential upside.
Keldon is a neutral, fairly cheap contract.
Collins is a negative.
Tre is worth some SRPs because he's a decent backup on expiring deal.
Branham is worthless, maybe some teams rate Wesley.

I'd say Cam Johnson is worth 2 good FRPs. Cam and DFS for Devin, Wesley and some SRPs would be fair.

Fox isn't for sale unless he rejects an extension his summer. If he does, he's probably worth 5 FRPs.
I'd do Devin, ATL '27 and SAC 20131 swap returned for Fox. Might look like an underpay, but he'll be on an expiring deal next summer.
Huerter is garbage.

Murphy is the most untradeable NOLA player, Herb's team friendly deal really inflates his value, they'd ask for 2 good FRPs.

Herb Jones is really worth 2 first round picks and Cam Johnson is worth Devin, Wesley + a 2nd rounder or two, Its just would the spurs make those moves ? Probably not. The spurs usually make incremental moves rather than a big move. So much for a blockbuster trade from the spurs. I can see them trading a couple of our extra seconds for some teams bench player but not much beyond that. Quite possible they don't do anything at all.

[LeBowen]

Herb Jones is really worth 2 first round picks and Cam Johnson is worth Devin, Wesley + a 2nd rounder or two, Its just would the spurs make those moves ? Probably not.

Agreed. I'd be beyond surprised if we actually make any moves other than hopefully upgrade Collins to actual NBA level backup big.

I can see them trading a couple of our extra seconds for some teams bench player but not much beyond that.

Actually, I'd like to see one or two those moves. We have 18 SRPs (probably 20 because CHA pick won't convey) over the next 6 drafts.
PATFO should be hunting for more Champagnies because there are a lot of incompetent teams out there and we can surely get a couple more legit rotation pieces for cheap. It's just about finding them.

As for bigger moves, I'd actually want to do the big one first.
The more I watch our team, the more I'm convinced that we'd instantly go to the next level if we had someone who constantly collapses defenses and gets to the rim with ease.
Fox would be a perfect target, let's just hope Kings fail this season and he rejects the extension.

[exstatic]

Agreed. I'd be beyond surprised if we actually make any moves other than hopefully upgrade Collins to actual NBA level backup big.



Actually, I'd like to see one or two those moves. We have 18 SRPs (probably 20 because CHA pick won't convey) over the next 6 drafts.
PATFO should be hunting for more Champagnies because there are a lot of incompetent teams out there and we can surely get a couple more legit rotation pieces for cheap. It's just about finding them.

As for bigger moves, I'd actually want to do the big one first.
The more I watch our team, the more I'm convinced that we'd instantly go to the next level if we had someone who constantly collapses defenses and gets to the rim with ease.
Fox would be a perfect target, let's just hope Kings fail this season and he rejects the extension.

It’s actually 15 according to spotrac’s future picks owed page, and that includes the likely CHA SRPs.

[LeBowen]

It’s actually 15 according to spotrac’s future picks owed page, and that includes the likely CHA SRPs.

2025: SAS, CHI (2)
2026: SAS, OKC/DAL/PHI, IND/MIA, NOLA/POR, UTA (5)
2027: SAS, OCK/HOU/IND/MIA (2)
2028: SAS, NOLA, MIN, DEN (4)
2029: SAS, NOLA, LAC (3)
2030: SAS, CLE (2)

That's from here:
https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/san-ant...27/draft-picks

[exstatic]

2025: SAS, CHI (2)
2026: SAS, OKC/DAL/PHI, IND/MIA, NOLA/POR, UTA (5)
2027: SAS, OCK/HOU/IND/MIA (2)
2028: SAS, NOLA, MIN, DEN (4)
2029: SAS, NOLA, LAC (3)
2030: SAS, CLE (2)

That's from here:
https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/san-ant...27/draft-picks

Rookie mistake. I forgot to count our own picks.

[Seventyniner]

https://www.theringer.com/2024/12/16...nicola-vucevic
NBA Kram Session: An Early Trade Season Deep Dive

I’ll end with one trade proposal from a potential seller that hasn’t been discussed much leading into trade season: the Spurs, who are 13-13 and straddling the line between pushing for a play-in spot in Victor Wembanyama’s second season and biding their time because they’re not quite ready yet. Might the Spurs trade Harrison Barnes to Dallas for a pick or two?

The Mavericks are legitimate le contenders, but they could use another big wing behind P.J. Washington, whom they acquired at last year’s deadline. Maxi Kleber has clearly lost a few steps and is averaging a meager 1.7 points per game, and Kleber plus third-string center Dwight Powell plus injured guard Dante Exum add up to a nearly perfect match for Barnes’s salary. Barnes doesn’t need the ball much—his usage rate is at a career low in San Antonio—but he can still be effective when called upon, with a 43 percent 3-point stroke this season and a recent Player of the Week award on his mantel. And Barnes-to-Dallas would be a pleasant homecoming for the former Maverick after his awkward departure via an in-season trade six seasons ago.

[poopbox]

Nah this roster still needs more young talent coming in to grow with wemby.This group of young guys we got aint it.Bad choice
to keep investing in wesley,keldon and branham ect.Waste of money and time.Everybody knew execpt this dumb front office that they
did not fit with wemby or were anything special.Not sure why the front office values them so high.

All the more reason to try and trade them for something useful.

[quentin_compson]

Herb Jones is really worth 2 first round picks and Cam Johnson is worth Devin, Wesley + a 2nd rounder or two, Its just would the spurs make those moves ? Probably not. The spurs usually make incremental moves rather than a big move. So much for a blockbuster trade from the spurs. I can see them trading a couple of our extra seconds for some teams bench player but not much beyond that. Quite possible they don't do anything at all.

no, he isn't. To me, that is overstating the value of Cam Johnson and severely underestimating the value of Vassell, even right now.

[spurraider21]

Cam Johnson is a good player but he's also turning 29 this season and we've basically already seen the best version of him, which no doubt, is a good NBA starter

Vassell turned 24 in August, and while he's not playing particularly well now, has already played at "good NBA starter level" for much of the last two years when healthy, even if his defense hasn't been as good as it should be

[Pauleta14]

Players often waive kickers when they get traded to their preferred destinations. They don't when they get dumped to tanking teams. Barnes waived his when he was joining

$4.5M/year is a lot tho to just waive...^^

I wouldn't trade healthy and consistent Devin, but if he can't get his together this season...
But I'd rather save him for potential Fox trade. We could get Cam for Keldon and a pick or two.

same

[LeBowen]

There are several rumors about MPJ being shopped around, I think Spurs should be all over this. It might look like a bad idea initially, so let me try to convince you.

1) While he is overpaid, his contracts ends in 2027, just before Wemby's extension kicks in. His 36-38-40 million up until then wouldn't be an issue at all.
2) Back issues in his youth probably limited his ceiling, but he's missed just 1 game since the start of last season.
3) We desperately need an efficent high volume shooter on the wing. MPJ is a career 41% (!!!) 3pt shooter on 6 attempts. As consistent as it gets across all seasons.
4) He's also a formiddable rebounder. Legit 6'10, averaging 7 rebounds over the past two seasons.
5) While he was a black hole early on in his career, he's doubled his assists this season and took a huge leap in that department.
6) Not a great defender, but not a negative, either. Perfectly fine as a team defender with his size.
7) Works with any gameplan and lineup. Perfect wing pair for Jeremy, him and Champagnie would maybe even enable those Castle/Jeremy lineups.
8) He's a high character guy with plenty of experience and only 26. His numbers don't drop in the playoffs.
9) Most important thing - he's available. If you go back to this summer and that topic with the list of available wings, it's slim pickings. Ridciulously difficult to find an elite shooter taller than 6'7 who wouldn't cost a ton of assets.

If he's available for cheap, PATFO must react.
Denver obviously wants depth and long-term flexibility, Keldon+Barnes+2 FRPs would be the best offer they'll get.
Veteran on a short deal, bench wing on a team friendly deal that's easy to move and two picks would go a long way when it comes to adding more help.
Just to be clear, if they want those ATL picks, I'd offer just one. Two mediocre picks or a good one.


If Nuggets trade MPJ for Cam+DFS, then we go deal with the Nets, but you get the point.

[Seventyniner]

The Nuggets could be a decent landing spot for Vassell in a MPJ trade, but if the Nuggets are primarily looking for cap flexibility rather than trying to win now then it doesn't make sense to include him.

[SpursBills]

Maybe 3 team trade with chicago

nuggets get lavine
spurs get mpj
Chicago gets keldon (tank commander), any other contracts to make the numbers work, their own pick back to allow them to tank, and like the hornets fake first, and a bunch of seconds

Tall wing high volume shooter does seem to be the avenue to play both Sochan and castle together though, so I’m all for this idea

[scott]

I wouldn't trade healthy and consistent Devin

You speak of mythical creatures...

[scott]

2025: SAS, CHI (2)
2026: SAS, OKC/DAL/PHI, IND/MIA, NOLA/POR, UTA (5)
2027: SAS, OCK/HOU/IND/MIA (2)
2028: SAS, NOLA, MIN, DEN (4)
2029: SAS, NOLA, LAC (3)
2030: SAS, CLE (2)

That's from here:
https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/san-ant...27/draft-picks

If we trade away all of those picks for a player today, how will we trade them away for cash later?

[rascal]

Herb Jones is really worth 2 first round picks and Cam Johnson is worth Devin, Wesley + a 2nd rounder or two, Its just would the spurs make those moves ? Probably not. The spurs usually make incremental moves rather than a big move. So much for a blockbuster trade from the spurs. I can see them trading a couple of our extra seconds for some teams bench player but not much beyond that. Quite possible they don't do anything at all.

If the Spurs do nothing then they aren't serious about making the playoffs this year.

[CGD]

If the Spurs do nothing then they aren't serious about making the playoffs this year.

Think their goal is play-in, which they can compete for as currently constructed. Then next year they get some people off the bus that really need to move on, and add others.

[tbdog]

Porter for Collins, Johnson

Then

Collins, Johnson and Saric for Lavine works financially.