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    See, THAT is the mentality that gets me. We seriously overrate our own players. I understand the need to keep Murray but Lonnie, White, or Bertans aren't these untouchable Gods. We need to stop doing that about our players.
    Bertans leads the league in 3 point percentage. Kinda important. White is our only defender and really the only person who can set up others to eat consistently. He runs the offense a lot better than Prince ever would. Lonnie is young and you don't trade a player based off his rookie year when he has shown flashes of everything you really want in an NBA player (long, quick first step, good shooter, creates his own shot). His fundamentals are lacking but that will be fixed. And I honestly don't think Atlanta would want Murray anyways as he's injured.

    We aren't winning the ship this year. Golden St is. We actually have a good solid young core who can all grow together and maybe one of them will make a huge leap (White already did this year and Murray looked like he was going to). You're basically making the same argument that everybody made back in the day in trading Ginobili for a proven underachieving vet. We have an older roster that is ready to win now, Robinson is on his last legs, we need to do everything we can to win now. Enjoy this season and trust the process so to speak. Our future is bright.

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    Houston cares nothing for first round picks. It’s incredible. They have no real youth and keep blowing picks every year it seems like on trades.

    I get it, they are in cap and getting rid of Knights 15M next year saves them from taxes, but damn.
    Reminds me of GM Doc's approach to roster moves. If it was anyone other than Media's golden boy Morey, they'd be getting ridiculed right now.

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    Rockets always get better at the trade deadline. It's one of the reasons why they keep winning les
    only the warriors have been "winning les", Spurs are in the same situation as 28 teams: praying for Durant to get bored and leave golden state

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    Porter has shown to be an above average 3 point shooter & most years he's been above average defensively, although it's understandable he'd lose motivation playing for the Wizards. He's obviously overpaid, but his contract would've married up in length with DDR & LMA. ROCO would be a better fit, as he's a good shooter & elite defender on a better contract. I'd probably trade two 1sts & Pau for Roco & Tolliver.
    Dude stopped caring after he got paid. Not bc he plays in Washington. He didn't put in the time or the effort to improve in the offseason after he got his big contract. Not the kind of player I want

    Covington is a weird case. He is long and athletic and shoots the ball well. But in the playoffs he turns into Ryan Anderson on a red court. The dude is just scared to play playoff bball. And he's like the 4th option on a team. He's not even asked to do more than hit open shots. He's like Roger Mason Jr in that regard. Great all regular season but for some reason he has performance issues in the playoffs. And the kind of blue pill Pop carries around won't fix what Covingtons got.

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    Reminds me of GM Doc's approach to roster moves. If it was anyone other than Media's golden boy Morey, they'd be getting ridiculed right now.
    I mean, HOU has been very compe ive for years now, so it’s hard to fault him too hard, but still..

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    White is by far a better all-around player.
    Wrong. And consider the sample size along with the ceiling, of which every analyst believes Murray's is higher.

    Murray:

    Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
    2016-17 20 SAS NBA PG 38 322 9.6 .503 .198 .259 2.2 12.4 7.4 22.6 1.3 1.5 22.7 23.5 -0.4 0.5 0.0 .004 -4.6 -0.2 -4.8 -0.2
    2017-18 21 SAS NBA PG 81 1743 15.1 .485 .056 .243 7.0 22.4 14.6 20.2 2.8 1.5 16.6 20.7 -0.2 3.4 3.2 .087 -2.2 3.4 1.2 1.4
    Career NBA 119 2065 14.2 .488 .079 .246 6.2 20.8 13.5 20.6 2.6 1.5 17.6 21.1 -0.6 3.8 3.2 .074 -2.6 2.9 0.3 1.2


    White:

    Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
    2017-18 23 SAS NBA PG 17 139 15.9 .646 .394 .606 4.0 16.9 10.4 9.3 1.5 1.8 12.6 15.4 0.3 0.2 0.5 .170 0.0 0.5 0.5 0.1
    2018-19 24 SAS NBA PG 45 1138 14.6 .580 .260 .260 2.1 12.6 7.4 19.6 1.9 1.7 15.3 16.9 1.4 1.1 2.5 .105 0.2 0.6 0.8 0.8
    Career NBA 62 1277 14.8 .587 .272 .292 2.3 13.1 7.8 18.5 1.9 1.7 15.0 16.8 1.7 1.3 3.0 .112 0.2 0.6 0.8 0.9

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    WHAT!? Is that real?

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    Rockets always get better at the trade deadline. It's one of the reasons why they keep winning les
    If harden was harden of the regular season they would’ve beat gsw, same if Paul was healthy. I’d rather make the west finals and be compe ive then know our ceiling is rd 2 with rd 1 exit being more likely outcome

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    aside from philly acquiring Harris and NY re edly shipping out Porzingis 1 hour after he said he was unhappy, what other teams are wheeling and dealing? stanley johnson for thon maker? ellington and johnson for ryan anderson? that guy from toronto (forgot his name) for cash? yall just wanna see a trade for the sake of it happening
    This post is aging well

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    WHAT!? Is that real?
    That's exactly what I thought Denver should be doing. Although I wasn't sure Memphis was gonna send him there, but that is the right move for the Nuggets

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    WHAT!? Is that real?
    No, it showed up on my twitter feed - it was a retweet but when it shows up on your feed it has Shams name/photo, when you click into the tweet, it changes back to Bonner MVP... lol

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    Jesus christ the amount of emo ing that we didn't minorly improve our average team by trading young players on cheap deals for overpaid role players is ridiculous

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    This post is aging well
    considering it was true at the time I said it, i dont see the problem tbh.

    other teams are wheeling and dealing
    spurs must not be doing anything
    trade deadline is tomorrow and trade hasnt happened so it definitely wont

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    what uganda do about it? Joseph Kony's Avatar
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    besides, the spurs literally never do anything every single year yet somehow most of you expect them to make a blockbuster deal ST constantly s on the players we have yet expects them to be traded for rotation guys

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    "If he dies, he dies."

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    y'all gonna get your wish about Pau, just wait

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    besides, the spurs literally never do anything every single year yet somehow most of you expect them to make a blockbuster deal ST constantly s on the players we have yet expects them to be traded for rotation guys
    Nah I’m not stupid I never expect them too, just hope

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    Smoke screen

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    I mean, HOU has been very compe ive for years now, so it’s hard to fault him too hard, but still..
    The Clippers were "very compe ive for years" with GM Doc too. Doesn't change the fact that trading first-round draft picks for marginal players is never a good idea.

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    Laker fans salty as over that quote from Pop

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    Wrong. And consider the sample size along with the ceiling, of which every analyst believes Murray's is higher.

    Murray:

    Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
    2016-17 20 SAS NBA PG 38 322 9.6 .503 .198 .259 2.2 12.4 7.4 22.6 1.3 1.5 22.7 23.5 -0.4 0.5 0.0 .004 -4.6 -0.2 -4.8 -0.2
    2017-18 21 SAS NBA PG 81 1743 15.1 .485 .056 .243 7.0 22.4 14.6 20.2 2.8 1.5 16.6 20.7 -0.2 3.4 3.2 .087 -2.2 3.4 1.2 1.4
    Career NBA 119 2065 14.2 .488 .079 .246 6.2 20.8 13.5 20.6 2.6 1.5 17.6 21.1 -0.6 3.8 3.2 .074 -2.6 2.9 0.3 1.2


    White:

    Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
    2017-18 23 SAS NBA PG 17 139 15.9 .646 .394 .606 4.0 16.9 10.4 9.3 1.5 1.8 12.6 15.4 0.3 0.2 0.5 .170 0.0 0.5 0.5 0.1
    2018-19 24 SAS NBA PG 45 1138 14.6 .580 .260 .260 2.1 12.6 7.4 19.6 1.9 1.7 15.3 16.9 1.4 1.1 2.5 .105 0.2 0.6 0.8 0.8
    Career NBA 62 1277 14.8 .587 .272 .292 2.3 13.1 7.8 18.5 1.9 1.7 15.0 16.8 1.7 1.3 3.0 .112 0.2 0.6 0.8 0.9
    murray hasnt proven , his expendable

    white might be injury prone, but his proven that he can run the point and look for others...

    murray better improve his jumpshot and play sf/sg. or he finds himself starting from t he bench or on another team...

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    The Clippers were "very compe ive for years" with GM Doc too. Doesn't change the fact that trading first-round draft picks for marginal players is never a good idea.
    congrats on getting Kawhi and Durant in the summer

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    Laker fans salty as over that quote from Pop
    Fukin meltdown tbh

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    People dismissing Porter don't have any alternative for how the roster would improve in time to win in the LMA-DDR-Pop window.

    Overpaid, overrated, but Porter would have fit the timeline and made the team better.

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