If you have a top 10-15 player on the roster
Another top 30-25 player
and can add another top 15 player on a bargain....You do it!!!! That's a legit big 3. Some still believe the power of friendship will somehow be more successful
I agree with this on principle. The concerns though are valid.
What actually makes KD happy? He seems to sow seeds of discontent everywhere he goes.
He’s absolutely one of the best to ever lace them up, his numbers speak to that.
This will be his fourth team in six years, that speaks to something else…
Im getting whiplash
So what would you offer? Are Castle and or #2 on the table for you? As much as we know, at least one of them probably would have to be.
lol no way. None of this has ever been on the table nor will be. It's Vassell, Barnes. #14 and second rounders. They will have to take that.
how about:
-playing on a team with a real center behind him
-playing for an organisation with great culture
-not having to be the first option
-having Pop around
-being close to Austin to promote his WNBA expansion team
-contending
-mentoring young players
-not getting much media attention and just being able to hoop
Miami's offer is . Accepting that over the Spurs' offer would be GM malpractice.
People don't actually watch the games. They watch twitter highlights and spend more time on this board than watching the actual games.
Someone said Durant couldn't play SF, he was too slow. He was All NBA at SF a year ago. These takes are wild.
We don't know anything.
Everything we've read is speculation. The only real insiders say the Spurs aren't giving in to the suns demand and no one else is either.
So, if Miami is out, then its down to the Spurs and Rockets, unless Phoenix says KD, we're taking the Minnesota offer.
As between the following two offers (SA: SV/HB/14 vs. HOU: DB/JG/10), what makes you all think the Spurs offer is the best? Houston has the better draft pick and the best player (Jalen Green) out of the 4.
Because Devin + salary, and 14 is better than the nothing you get next summer?
I think Devin + 14 is better than any offer they have on the table, and you should never bid against yourself.
You know what's wild? Trying to say someone's wrong without actually watching games, after you claimed people don't watch games.
KD wasn't a SF since he tore his achilles.
Not to mention that at his age declines are often sharp and not gradual.
Even Lebron is noticably worse than he was 2 years ago, despite statpadding his way to Heat Lebron numbers.
A positive thing for us is that we don't need KD's paint penetration because he doesn't really attack the rim anymore, but only people who don't actually watch games will say he's not on a noticable decline.
Bane makes $40M, fights with teammates, and just pulled 5 FRPs or swaps. Devin at $27M is worth two.
benefactor makes it seem like we should just pay the price, whatever it is.
I'm not saying I wouldn't do Barnes+Vassell+#14 (nor would I be ecstatic as the 120 mio would hit hard)...but I doubt that's still a possibility (the rumored packages of other teams look more enticing and Giannis probably staying seemingly upped the price).
As of now, my biggest fear is not not getting KD, but paying anything more than the mentioned package (not counting some 2nd rounders)...be it Sochan any 1st or god forbid Castle/#2.
Piggybacking on this, I'm curious what any other Vassell (+X) deal could get us (later). With the guard threesome I see him moved soon.
Jalen Greens value is tough to assess, many would argue that he is actually neutral value or possibly even negative value. I don’t know that I’d go that far but it certainly demonstrates that as an asset he is tough to quantify.
The issue for him, much like Devin is that traditional shooting guards are out of fashion right now.
Pure scorers aren't worth it unless they're on elite level, they either need to also be great playmakers or defenders. Green is neither.
It might be worth, for just a moment, considering the possibility that this Gambo person is the Suns version of local Spurs media and don't know jack .
When we drafted Vassell was ment to be a good (even though not excellent) defender. I wonder when he lost that? Did he even lose it, or is his focus just too much on the offensive side of the ball because of the pre Wemby years?
Why in the would I trade away our best young players that when I'm talking about developing young players? Did you even read anything I ing said? You are apparently one of those people that wants to keep friendship crew forever and fail in the playoffs in the second round every year.
Not so much geared towards you, ex, but you provide a good launching pad for this discussion.
Vecenie did a pretty thorough breakdown on the Bane trade on the most recent Game Theory Podcast, and I tend to agree with the valuation they came up with. KCP and Anthony were both upside down to the tune of what they estimate to be 1 FRP and 1 swap. So Bane essentially is worth 3 FRPs in this deal. We could also get into expected pick quality, as that is also a factor, but let's just leave it at that. There is also the matter of a pretty unique fit for Bane in what ORL is trying to do, which could drive some of their overpaying, but let's leave that aside as well.
So does Bane being worth 3 FRP give us some insight into what Vassell might be worth?
One consideration is something Sam and Brice discussed in the pod - the NBA seems to be sending clear messages through recent trade activity that there is a HIGH value placed on off-the-ball scorers who are positive defenders. See Bridges and now Bane. Less value placed upon non-defenders who need the ball in their hands more (see Ingram). If you are comparing Vassell to Bane or BI, he more closely resembles BI on the court than he does Bane (and to be clear, BI is still a better player on the court than Devin by almost every available perspective, except he's older and more expensive which is certainly a consideration).
I don't know where I'd rank him, but Vecenie and Brice claim Bane is a Top-6 3P shooter in the league, in a tier right behind Steph. Vassell is, at best, a slightly above average 3P shooter if we give him the benefit of the doubt on injuries impacting his %s (I believe he's only finished above league average from 3 once in his career, but I'd need to double check that).
There's a quite a bit of a drop off from Bane to Vassell. Especially when we consider the defensive end. Bane is a positive defender whereas Devin is a sieve. With that said, I would say that in light of the Bane deal, the Spurs *should* be able to convincingly value Devin at 1 FRP of similar quality to those in the Bane deal.
my biggest fear is that if we don't get Durant, we'll make a run at RJ Barrett
For the record, I would add Sochan in a Durant trade without hesitation
i really think vecenie overstated how underwater the Anthony deal is. anthony is fine. he's a solid player who was also a relatively clutch performer for Orlando. he going to be making 13 mil next year. would he get that much on the market if he was a free agent? probably not? but its not egregious enough to have to send a FRP swap out. and then theres a club option if he plays well next year. he's still 25. i think its a pretty neutral contract and he's a solid player
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