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Man, I know Kyrie tanked his value, but the best you can get for him is McDermott and Richardson? I think I would rather just keep the Laker picks if I was the Nets.
was part of a bigger 4 team deal where nets also land ayton, mikal bridges, etc
Man, I know Kyrie tanked his value, but the best you can get for him is McDermott and Richardson? I think I would rather just keep the Laker picks if I was the Nets.
I really don't see Brooklyn revitalizing Lakers for a first round pick. Harris isn't a bad player nor is he dead salary. I doubt they're getting rid of him otherwise.
I'm not sure Marks is going to see himself as forced to do anything, no matter how much ESPN and Klutch whine. They can afford to wait.
Harris isn't a good player, though, and his not buoyant salary. McDermott in a down year still outperformed Harris, and it wasn't close before this. Swapping them is an upgrade for the Lakers, as is taking back all that extra salary and trading Richardson, which is why the Spurs get assets. Saving on Harris and getting rid of a player who is struggling to have positive trade value is the reason why Nets do this.
Marks has been getting forced to do stuff for years now. He went from a bright GM to one of the ill-performing ones overnight. I imagine he'll be glad to excise Durant and Irving, assuming ownership lets him survive the process. He definitely wants a good deal on Durant, but I don't think he view Kyrie in the same regard at all.I'm not sure Marks is going to see himself as forced to do anything, no matter how much ESPN and Klutch whine. They can afford to wait.
Harris was literally hurt all last year. He played 14 games. I'd still take him over McDermott.
Anyway, Marks isn't going to trade Irving for nothing. The fanbase, who hates Kyrie, wouldn't take it. I live in the market, by the way. There's no reason to get the Spurs involved as a way to get LA even more talent and split the only two first round assets the Lakers have. If Brooklyn gives LA Irving, it will be both picks. Or, again, they'll just sit on him. They aren't going to immediately improve the Lakers and just eat Westbrook's salary like that. They don't need to save on Harris. They'd rather keep him and play him.
And Marks has done a good job throughout this before the idiot qualities of his three stars clashed.
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Last year they were close. Before that, Doug was a clearly better player. Harris is the type of guy who gets hyped in a big market but is only average. It wasn't a good contract that he got, which is why the Lakers keep rejecting it being part of the deal.
I'm sure Marks wants the picks, and Nets fans want their desire to move Kyrie to line up with their desire for their team to get a good haul for him. That doesn't mean it's going to happen. Nets fans might riot or whatever, but em. They've dealt with worse years.Anyway, Marks isn't going to trade Irving for nothing. The fanbase, who hates Kyrie, wouldn't take it. I live in the market, by the way. There's no reason to get the Spurs involved as a way to get LA even more talent and split the only two first round assets the Lakers have. If Brooklyn gives LA Irving, it will be both picks. Or, again, they'll just sit on him. They aren't going to immediately improve the Lakers and just eat Westbrook's salary like that. They don't need to save on Harris. They'd rather keep him and play him.
Marks brought together those stars, knowing their personalities. They're in the situation they're in because they traded for Harden despite how he began the year with Houston. That's his fault. He did some good things early but was either too short-sighted or too week to continue to do the right thing. He's going to look for what he thinks is best for the team, not what makes fans happy. If he doesn't, it'll be because he couldn't stand up to ownership, which would likely result in him being let go anyway. I still wouldn't put it past the team for them to trade Kyrie, get rid of Marks and then try to beg Durant to stay for another year or two.And Marks has done a good job throughout this before the idiot qualities of his three stars clashed.
5 and 7 years from now?
All the albatrosses will be off the books and they'll reload with FA's like they always do by then.
I think those picks are tin, not gold.
Just don't see the Spurs involved at all in a Kyrie trade.
Now Kyrie is saying he'll go to LA no matter what after this year. Be interested to see, but I don't feel Brooklyn will be excited to be forced to accept a Lakers package without both picks. They can just let the clown sit -- he sat last year because he was a brat. If it's both picks, they'll probably jump.
Don't see other teams renting Kyrie for a year since he's such a bag, distraction, and completely untrustworthy.
A successful trade for me is one with unprotected picks and no Talen Horton Tucker. He’s probably one of the most overrated players.
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481) -4.6 Ignas Brazdeikis, Skylar Mays, Doug McDermott, Brandon Williams
485) -4.7 Joe Harris, Jonathan Kuminga, Nick Richards, Robin Lopez, Elfrid Payton
Dumbass shouldn't have opted into his deal if he wanted to go play with Lebron. Lakers front office is so down to nothing on draft picks they cant afford to have someone both eat Westbrook's $47.5M AND then have anything of value to trade the Nets. Had Kyrie not opted in, they could have carved out a higher salary for him post a Westbrook trade to a team like the Spurs. As it is, he would have only gotten ~$6M if the Lakers could have persuaded the Nets to trade him for those 2 FRPs.
Idiots all around between Kyrie and Lakers pathetic front office.
Sad thing is, after this year Westbrook comes off their books, and once again theyll be signibg the NBA's best FAs. Theyll never have to revel in their horrible signings the way almost all other teams do because they just have to wait out the contract and reload. the lakers to their core.
I think a 4th team will have to be involved in an Irving/Westbrook mega trade with the Spurs facilitating. Both the Nets and Spurs will insist on incoming assets, and the Lakers don't have enough to offer to placate both teams imo.
The question becomes: which other team will get involved, and what assets will they have and be willing to give up? Are the Lakers willing to part with both 2027 and 2029 unprotected firsts without getting Irving back, instead just turning Westbrook into actual useful players? This 4th team might be willing to give up assets for Irving, that's what I'm thinking.
Seems about right. I’ve been thinking about upgrading that CHA pick too. Doug is 5M a year cheaper than Harris so LAL may prefer it to Harris. Wouldn’t be upset if Richardson goes out Nets as well.
It’s a coin toss worth taking for a one year rental on a player who would never see the court or stifle our youth.
Random thought: the Spurs already have top-1 protected swap rights with Boston in 2028. If the Spurs could acquire another 2028 first, does the swap allow the Spurs to switch Boston's pick with the worse of the Spurs' two? Assuming Boston's natural pick is the best of the three, of course.
And if the Spurs got swap rights with the Lakers' natural first in 2028, could they potentially use both swaps if they enter the draft having two firsts already?
I'm just wondering how valuable 2028 swap rights with the Lakers would be if the Spurs want to wring more value out of their cap space. Are there any limitations on how far out a team can grant swap rights?
This isn't about Kyrie nor AD, it's about LeBron. lol He's not known for being patient.
LeBron is 37 and will be 38 almost this coming season. He can't afford to wait unless he told LA that he's planning to go somewhere else.
If last year didn't work out even with the injuries, I don't think it's still repairable this coming season esp. with Westbrook. If Lakers chose to stay pat with Westbrook, I don't think Westbrook will care anymore as long as he gets his paycheck.
Wesbrook is aware that he's the "black goat" on the team.
Either way, Lakers can't afford to wait as well as they're quite stuck anyways with the situation esp. with no instant asset/s (draft pick/s) to workaround so they'll have to do something sooner or later. A lot can happen in 1 year so there's no guarantee that Kyrie will still choose to sign with the Lakers next offseason if they won't trade for him this offseason.
RealGM says no. You only can swap your own pick.
What? Did he want Kyrie to get an extension and that's why he wants out? I thought he didn't want to play with him anymore?
My reading of the situation falls in line with what Mr. Body posted, but who the knows. Tea leaves from the Shams and Wojs and SASs of the world is how I came to the conclusion
I'm ok with the rebuild but geeezez Christ have we really sunk so low as to give a fan base picks 5-6 years from now. We don't even know what's going to happen tomorrow and your asking a fan base to accept like that while helping that crap ass laker team. Makes me sick if you at least talking 2024 even 2025 which in itself is stil crazy but come on we deserve better man. We went from spoiled to .
No, you can swap whatever picks you have. The Spurs can't just unilaterally change their agreement with Boston to give them LAL's pick instead of their own, but they could agree to swap the worse of the BOS/SAS pick with LAL's pick in 2028. Just look at that mess of a swap for seconds in 2026. Also, as mentioned OKC had the right to swap Boston's 2021 first with Houston's had the Rockets not secured at top-three (or top-four -- I don't remember). They didn't even have the Boston pick when that original trade was made.
You son of a , I'm in!
What would be hilarious is if the Spurs somehow end up with Westbrick and Chip fixes his shot, bringing honor back to the Westbrook name et cetera. Lol.
We need to lose. So no Westbrook shooting at high level. Maybe next year
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