***** The Official 2014 Avante Football Thread *****

[Avante]

Black QB wins the NCAA "again" this season. Will a black QB win the SB "again". Vegas had them favored, guessing they still are.

[Avante]

When I land an NFL coaching job (waiting by the phone)

Will bring in tight ends. They will be my backs/linemen/pass catchers. A speed back/receiver and everyone else TE's. Imagine a defense dealing with Gronk, Graham and Gates. You'd have them so beat up by the third quarter.

I'll also never try to block a kick if leading in a game.

Will only run back KO's if leading in a game.

Will run a "Diamond" offense. That's one speed receiver, a TE in tight and two TE's as tailbacks and my stud back in an I. Will change the way the pro game is played.

[Avante]

If Russell Wilson wins another SB that will put him all alone in the....

Most wins after three seasons
Most SB wins after first three seasons
Only 300 passer/100 yard rusher in a game
highest first three year passer rating average

club.

An amazing athlete taking the game to another level and only idiots and fools don't see this.

We all know when watching Andrew Luck you are thinking.....ok, when does he throw that INT...that isn't the case with RW.

[jeebus]

[Clipper Nation]

We all know when watching Andrew Luck you are thinking.....ok, when does he throw that INT...that isn't the case with RW.

Struggle has thrown more picks in this half than Luck has thrown in the entire postseason

[chunticakes]

get back in here ya ol' .

[jeebus]

[Avante]

Ya can sure tell the rookies, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What more does RW have to do? He ties the rookie QB record, he wins a playoff game, has a 100 passer rating as a rookie. In his second season he wins the SB, with another 100 passer rating, something that had never been done before. Now in his third season he's back in another SB.

I challenge anyone to find any QB who had a better first three seasons. Go away Google....Peyton, Marino, Elway, Brady, Unitas, Montana, Favre....OTTO GRAHAM..."SLINGLIN' " SAMMY BAUGH, good luck~~~~~~~~~

Way too many dumb kids who don't seem to understand about the game, why not start taking notes, ok? I'm always ready to teach.

There is nobody in the league but RW who makes that conversation play work.

[Avante]

So we're going to have two BIG10 QB's handing off to two monster PAC12 backs, hmmmmmm?

The Pats do have a history of big power backs, their first 1000 yard rusher was an NCAA wrestling champ fom Syracuse, Jim Nance, he wa a 240pound bull. The franchises all time leading rusher is Sam "Bam" Cunningham (yep, his brother), another big back. Who can forger Antuane Smith out of Houston?

The first stud Seahawk back was actually a college QB at Miami of Ohio named Sherman Smith, he was between the tackles guy. Converted to running back at the pro level.

[Pelicans78]

Curtis Martin? Best back in Pats history?

[Avante]

Curtis Martin? Best back in Pats history?

Actually Martin did his best work as a Jet. As a Pat he's behind Cunningham, Jim Nance and Tony Collins.

Curtis Martin had a better career than any of those just not as a Pat.

[TampaDude]

When I land an NFL coaching job (waiting by the phone)

Will bring in tight ends. They will be my backs/linemen/pass catchers. A speed back/receiver and everyone else TE's. Imagine a defense dealing with Gronk, Graham and Gates. You'd have them so beat up by the third quarter.

I'll also never try to block a kick if leading in a game.

Will only run back KO's if leading in a game.

Will run a "Diamond" offense. That's one speed receiver, a TE in tight and two TE's as tailbacks and my stud back in an I. Will change the way the pro game is played.

Tim Tebow awaits your call.

[Avante]

Tim Tebow awaits your call.

Tim Tebow would be perfect running that offense.

TE types totally up any defense. Too big/strong for defensive backs, too fast for backers. So why not have three of them out there? Sure you'll need a speed receiver/back so the D can't cheat up.

Imagine trying to tackle TE's all day long, ouch~~~~~~~~~

Have them in the backfield, will they block for a run or go out for a pass?

[Avante]

Vince Lombardi was the Belichick of his day, those Packer teams of the 60's had...

Bart Starr
Jim Taylor
Paul Hornung
Jim Ringo
Forrest Gregg
Willie Davis
Ray Nitscke
Wilie Wood
Willie Adderley

on them. all in the HOF.

Unitas played on a team with four other HOFers on offense.

You ever hear/read anything about.......but look at who they had?

Look at what Peyton has today....the Thomas, Sanders, Welker. Compare that to what RW has. Look at what the Pats have. Look at what Romo has.

Imagine Russell Wilson with....Roger Craig, Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Bert Jones.

[Avante]

Stud QB's and their stud back

Otto Graham/Marion Motley
Y.A. tle/Joe Perry/John Henry Johnson/Hugh McElehnny.....all in the HOF
Tobin Rote/Paul Lowe
Jack Kemp/Cookie Gilchrist
Don Meredith/Don Perkins
Roman Gabriel/ Bass
Darly Lamonica/Clem Daneils
John Unitas/Lenny Moore (first great receiving RB)
Terry Bradshaw/Franco Harris
Bart Starr/Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung....all in the HOF
Roger Staubach/Tony Dorsett
Joe Theisman/John Riggins
Troy Aikman/Emmit Smith
Joe Namath/Matt Snell
Bob Griese/Larry Csonka
Jim Kelly/Thurman Thomas
Kurt Warner/Marshall Faulk
John Elway/Terrell Davis
Joe Montana/Roger Craig
Dan Fouts/Chuck Muncie
Philip Rivers/Ladainian Tomlinson
Peyton Manning/Edgerrin James
Tony Romo/DeMarco Murray
Russell Wilson/Marshawn Lynch


I do get a kick out of this stupid....it's the RB and D....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Imagine....

Russell Wilson at QB
Chuck Muncie a 1000 yard rusher at RB
Kellen Winslow who was the guy that actually changed the TE position
Charlie Joiner who like Winslow is in the HOF
John Jefferson, a fantastic speed receiver lost in obscurity because of $$$$.

That's what the statue Dan Fouts had, Fouts couldn't run a lick.

[Avante]

Something we don't see today, the running back duos.

The great combos, both there together.

Bears...Red "The Galloping Ghost" Grange/Bronco Nagurski....HOFers
Niners...Joe "The Jet" Perry/Hugh "The King" McElhenny/John Henry Johnson...HOFers
Packers....Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung....HOFers
Bears...Rick Casares/Willie Galimore.....best back you've never heard of.
Browns...Jim Brown/Bobby Mitc .....HOFers (Mitc as a Redskin receiver)
Chargers...Paul Lowe/Keith Lincoln
Chiefs...Abner Haynes/Curtis McClinton
Saints....Tony Galbreath/Chuck Muncie
Steelers...Franco Harris/Rocky Bliears
Raiders...Hewritt Dixon/Clem Daneils
Jets...Matt Snell/Emerson Boozer
Bengals...Pete Johnson/James Brooks
Browns...Kevin Mack/Ernest Byner
Dolphins...Larry Csonka/Mercury Morris
Redskins...John Riggins/Joe Washington

Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson spelled each other, same with Tony Dorsett and Hercshel Walker, more or less. Those mentioned above lined up together, more or less.

So who did I miss?

[Pelicans78]

Stud QB's and their stud back

Otto Graham/Marion Motley
Y.A. tle/Joe Perry/John Henry Johnson/Hugh McElehnny.....all in the HOF
Tobin Rote/Paul Lowe
Jack Kemp/Cookie Gilchrist
Don Meredith/Don Perkins
Roman Gabriel/ Bass
Darly Lamonica/Clem Daneils
John Unitas/Lenny Moore (first great receiving RB)
Terry Bradshaw/Franco Harris
Bart Starr/Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung....all in the HOF
Roger Staubach/Tony Dorsett
Joe Theisman/John Riggins
Troy Aikman/Emmit Smith
Joe Namath/Matt Snell
Bob Griese/Larry Csonka
Jim Kelly/Thurman Thomas
Kurt Warner/Marshall Faulk
John Elway/Terrell Davis
Joe Montana/Roger Craig
Dan Fouts/Chuck Muncie
Philip Rivers/Ladainian Tomlinson
Peyton Manning/Edgerrin James
Tony Romo/DeMarco Murray
Russell Wilson/Marshawn Lynch


I do get a kick out of this stupid....it's the RB and D....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Warner was great without Faulk in Arizona.

Fouts put up tons of numbers without Muncie who was a crackhead most of his career.

Rodgers and Brees have won big and put up big numbers without a stud RB and stud defense.

[Pelicans78]

Imagine....

Russell Wilson at QB
Chuck Muncie a 1000 yard rusher at RB
Kellen Winslow who was the guy that actually changed the TE position
Charlie Joiner who like Winslow is in the HOF
John Jefferson, a fantastic speed receiver lost in obscurity because of $$$$.

That's what the statue Dan Fouts had, Fouts couldn't run a lick.

Fouts was a much better pocket passer than RW will ever be. Gimme a break. Wilson has to do most of his damage outside the pocket.

[Avante]

Fouts was a much better pocket passer than RW will ever be. Gimme a break. Wilson has to do most of his damage outside the pocket.

Does it really matter if a QB is in the pocket or not? The point was, RW has never had a slew of great receivers. Fouts had the best trio....ever...and when Jefferson left for GB in came Wes Chandler.

[Avante]

Firsts for Russell Wilson

Big10 QB to throw for 26 TDS as an NFL rookie.

Back to back 100 passer rating as a two year NFL QB.

Two Superbowl appearances in first three seasons.

300 yards passing/100 yards rushing in a game.

Third year QB to have went 10-0 vs SB winning QB's.

Most wins of any third year QB.

First QB to return to a SB after more than a decade.

Most playoff wins by any third year QB.

Yet, we...STILL...see those not getting it. What more does this guy need to do?

[Avante]

Speaking of white receivers....

The biggest difference between blac/white receivers is that size with speed thing. There are no white Calvin Johnson's.

[Pelicans78]

Does it really matter if a QB is in the pocket or not? The point was, RW has never had a slew of great receivers. Fouts had the best trio....ever...and when Jefferson left for GB in came Wes Chandler.

It does matter because most passes are thrown from the pocket. Fouts never played with a number one defense either. That's half the game being dominated.

[Avante]

It does matter because most passes are thrown from the pocket. Fouts never played with a number one defense either. That's half the game being dominated.

The bottom line is this....

Kid comes out of Wisconsin, steps right in and starts winning, he's tying records, he's doing things never seen before, he's winning SB's, he's coming from behind to make another SB, he's winning more games after three seasons than any QB in history. How can anyone criticize that? What more does he need to do?

How can anyone criticize...

Two SB's in first three seasons
Highest passer rating average in first three seasons
Only 300 passer/100 rusher in a game
Most wins by any QB in their first three seasons
Ties rookie TD record

What else does the guy need to do?

Russell Wilson is the best athlete playing the QB position in the NFL, so why not take advantage of that? Why not put....run or pass.....on a defense?

Will never figure out how anyone would not get this.

I challenge anyone to find another QB who had....

more wins
better comp%
better TD/INT ratio
better passer rating
more yard rushing

after three seasons than Russell Wilson. Go ahead check out Marino/Montana/Peyton/Brady...whoever. Go ahead prove my point for me. Look at Rodgers, Farve after three seasons. Bring in Andrew "INT" Luck.

I'm guessing most the critics here had no idea who Russell Wilson was coming out of college, try the all time NCAA passing efficency leader. A 4.5 40 guy. Then when... I.... starting praising him. this old.....AVANTE MUST ALWAYS BE WRONG ....ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which isn't working too good is it, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

With all the reversals we see due to instant replay, just think of all those games that would have had a different outcome back before instant replay.....hmmmmmm?

The worst non call I've seen during the instant replay era was in that Texas vs USC le game. Vince Young is going to the ground, with his knee on the ground he throws a td pass. The TV guys "that will no doubt be over turned"...then it was showed many times, it was never even looked at...touchdown! Amazing.