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Underpaid MY ASS
look at his minutes he plays
then compare them to players making what he makes
In all this why doesn't anybody say anything about the fact that, Manu has been underpaid in the league for a player of his caliber. He's been a willing sixth man or whatever else the team has needed him to be.You dun have that anywhere in the league. Dun give me Odom and Terry this season, if either of them were half the compe or Manu is, their teams would have fared better in the postseason so far.
The trade Manu thing has reached the point of boring. Manu will be Manu. If he remains injury prone, he will prob hang it up himself. So there is no extension etc to worry about. If he comes back torching everything, the FO has a real challenge trying to give him some decent compensation as well as rope in a future for the Spurs.
Underpaid MY ASS
look at his minutes he plays
then compare them to players making what he makes
yeah lets just forget what happens in the past
lets burrel our head in the sand and hope everything turns out fine and hope manu is healthy in playoffs
and the team has chemstry and that championship swagger.....
(hard to get that chemistry if manu is hurt and not playing)
Umm righto?
Why don't we just trade away the entire big three? I think Tony's health is going downhill following his injury last year. And he's only 27. There's no telling how fragile he may be when he's 30. Timmy's knee is worrying me, so let's ship him out of here. Manu is also too fragile, so let's ship him out.
I'd trade them all three to Denver and demand Billups, Birdman, and J.R. Smith in return. Sound good?
The following players make more than Manu:
Bobby Simmons
Jermaine O'Neal
Stephon Marbury
Steve Francis
Shawn Marion
Mike Bibby
Zach Randolph
Gilbert Arenas
Samuel Dalembert
Erick Dampier
Peja Stojakovic
Wally Szczerbiak
Compared to that group, Manu has clearly been underpaid.
Let's see your list of players, not on rookie contracts, who make less than Manu and are his equal or better
yeah he makes less than big country reeves!
Where do you base that on? That's BS. Just because he had one single injury? His primetime has just started, we are going to see alot more of TP being a superstar in the upcoming seasons.
As for Manu, Its too early to say now, but im afraid to say that i would consider trading him.
THAT counts for anything absolutely.
Look at the stats and you'll see that being a starter or not hasn't change too much things about manu's PT.
and terry still average 34 mpg as a 6th man.
so, once again, what was the reason for manu's PT to be limited under 28mpg if that was not in order to preserve his health/stamina ?
You mean the Spurs have no championship swagger if Manu is not there? That speaks volumes of what you think of Tony Parker as a leader.
That the coach believes playing Manu limited minutes is the best course of action doesn't mean Manu couldn't necessarily play more minutes.
I already told you he played well over 30 mpg under other coaches and has not had a problem with the extra load. You still haven't addressed that little fact.
And the fact that these are his mpg in his last 4 years in the playoffs:
33.6
32.8
30.1
32.8
Pop doesn't like expending any more effort in the regular season than is absolutely necessary. It does not mean the players could not produce more.
Trading Manu makes sense next Febraury. If the Spurs are not going to extend him, either for health or monetary issues, then they should absolutely trade him before he becomes a free agent. At least they can get something out off him before he walks. Right now it makes no sense. There's a good chance he will be healthy next season. Do you really want to see him playing for LA, Denver, Dallas, Houston, Boston or the Cavs against the Spurs? Because if healthy, you just KNOW that's where he'll end up.
He still averages a little PT in PO compared to others stars and PO is a shorter period than RS.
but you want to talk about PO. OK. Tim average PT in PO: 40 mpg. Tony: 37. manu: 31
i find it hilarious that people don't see or don't want to admit that manu's PT was limited all these years. that's not an opinion, that's a fact.
and there is a good reason Pop did that. i just don't see any player in the same category as manu (star if not superstar) who has played so few minutes in his NBA career. that must be a coïncidence.
Really? I guess you didn't look hard enough. I'm willing to bet that in combined minutes throughout his entire NBA career Manu has played more minutes than 75% of the players in the entire league.
And as far as a comparable star, he has played more minutes overall than a guy like SJAX. You *STILL* avoid addressing the fact that before he was coached by Pop, and also while playing for the NT, he never had his minutes reduced.
Coincidence??????
We agree that it is a fact. We agree that Pop had a good reason.
We disagree as to the reason and until some public statement is made on the issue by Pop, that's where we'll have to leave it. You believe it has to do with Manu's stamina, I think it is a calculation by Pop to maximize the chances for a championship.
It was sarcasm, my man. I was just using the same tired argument that you all are for saying that Manu is done. Manu didn't get his first bad injury until 2006, when he was 28 or 29. Tony already had a pretty bad injury at 26 that made him miss about a month.
We don't need to trade any of the Big Three and doing so would be an end to the Championship Run. It's quite clear how much each one of them means considering how poorly we do when any one of them are out of the lineup.
I have repeatedly seen Manu himself in the last several years in the locker room after playing more minutes for a short stretch of games, talking about all his bumps, bruises and how he's just so exhausted. He himself knows that he's at his best when his minutes are limited to 25-28 a night on average. It's not a slight to Manu to admit that he can't play the minutes that other players in the league can play. It's a result of his all-out playing style. Because he can't change the way he plays, there's no way he'd survive 82 games + playoffs playing 32+ mpg. He'd be broken down and exhausted by AllStar break.
That all being said, I wouldn't want to trade Manu (or Tony) unless we are getting Kobe, LeBron, Wade, DHoward or someone of that nature. And we all know that isn't going to happen.
To me, Manu's trade value is probably at its lowest point right now because no one knows how his body has healed yet. If the Spurs were actually going to deal Manu's expiring contract (which I don't think they would), it would be closer to the trade deadline.
Yeah i agree, thats why i said; its too early to say now. But im afraid i would consider trading him, if things are not getting better. we'll see
Ok, i see. But there is a huge difference between manu and tony, you cant compare them. Tony is a superstar. Manu is not, yeah he was great, but i dont see him as a wonderful player. besides he is getting older too, maybe we come at some point that we should consider to focus on young talent, even if it means to lose manu. We can without him, we cant without tony. So letting manu go, is not so bad, its a shame, but it is not so bad. Tony instead is. Im saying, manu isnt all that great and with the injuries he is becoming more and more a subject of trading.
those players are overpaid
does not mean manu is underpaid
the swagger is winning several games in a row and having that confidence
spurs did not get that because pop kepted reminding their players if manu was a no go they had no chance
had nothing to do with tp being a leader
good
in denver for jr smith + plus picks or fillers
and they can deal with him being paid and not playing
Nice way to avoid the question. You could also say that every player in the NBA is overpaid, since even the lowest paid player makes more than the President.
But we are having this conversation within the wacky economics of NBA salaries. Manu has never ranked higher than 63rd on the list of highest paid NBA players. He has been, at the absolute minimum, a top 30 player since signing his current deal. By definition, among NBA players, he has been underpaid.
I disagree in the sense that if you never play him 32+ mpg, he will never pace himself. But I actually think that's what Pop wants. I don't think he wants a passive Manu for stretches out there, he wants an all-out guy.
But that's strictly Pop's choice. I can't think a pro like Manu doesn't know how to pace himself out there if he has to.
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