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Point is Spurs are going to execute in the Fourth Quarter and Win their 5th NBA championship!!!!!
'Clutch' shots is a meaningless statistic because it is a small sample size. A player is going to have a tough time getting more than a handful ove rthe course of their career and 100 attempts posits nothing statistically. Using 'game winning' shots is that much more meaningless.
Oh and:
Carter can negate Kobe.
Point is Spurs are going to execute in the Fourth Quarter and Win their 5th NBA championship!!!!!
This statement is almost worthy of starting a new thread for, so pay attention:
Whether or not Rasheed was actually in San Antonio doesn't matter now. The simple rumor has likely just driven up his price with all the other suitors. If anyone was willing to go over the MLE to get him, they're more likely to do so now, which puts the Spurs at a disadvantage.
BUT
Orlando, with 'sheed's former UNC teammate freshly arrived, and the soft Turk soon departed, is more likely than ever to be willing to throw the money he wants at him. That could make matching for a certain backup center very expensive for Orlando. Making Gortat a QO is a heavy commitment of assets, because that money is likely to be tied up until the rest of the potential free agents are gone, but it could pay off if the Spurs know the direction of the wind as it regards guys like 'sheed, and could be worth ending up not using the MLE, because there are trades to be made down the road.
Y'all are completely wasting your breath with this argument. First of all, this a Rasheed Wallace thread. Go argue somewhere else. But while I"m here...who cares if LeBron and VC are the best statistical closers in the game? All that matters is that they have 0 championships combined. You're talking about something that is simply irrelevant. Statistics only take you so far, and then the intangibles come in. Kobe, as much as I hate the guy, gets it done when it matters that's the reason he has more rings than LeBron or VC ever will.
And Spurstrodaumus, how can you seriously think the Cavs were the best regular season team in '08/'09, and that they are the best team now? The Lakers were the best overall team in the regular season (beat the Cavs twice and had the best record) and the Playoffs (hence the result of the 2009 Finals). Also, the Shaq and VC trades DO NOT make these teams better (even the idiot Mark Jackson who kisses LeBron's ass admitted that much). The Cavs need a solid distributing PG, not another big man. Did you not see how bad the Cavs offense broke down in the ECF? They were relying on LeBron to do way too much and nobody else wanted to take shots. And please stop with this "the series could've gone either way." The Cavs were dominated in every aspect of the game by the Magic. They're lucky that they didn't get swept. Acquiring Shaq is just a desperate move to keep LeBron in Cleveland. The Magic on the other hand, gave away the PG that was the reason for their playoff success and a very promising rookie (Courtney Lee) for an overrated VC. Plus, factor in that both Hedo and Gortat might be out the door, they're a worse team in my eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if a healthy Boston is the best team in the East next year.
I'm starting to think you don't watch enough basketball my friend.
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Clutch Players
1. Kobe
2. LeBron
3. Vince Carter
Ok.... so nothing new on Sheed in SA?
IIRC, Vince is #2 on that list of GW shots missed..so while I love VC, you have to be fair on both sides of the argument..
You're the one who's not focusing big guy, statistical closers mean absolutely nothing. You can pile all the best statistical closers onto one team, but if they're not winning games, does it really matter? I never stated an opinion about Kobe, he is who he is and the Lakers are the champs. Don't start the argument about not having enough talent dude. That no longer applies to the Cavs. I guarantee you when the Cavs were smoking everyone in the regular season, you were right there with ESPN and everyone else saying "LeBron's finally got the supporting cast he needs to win it all." , you probably picked them to win the whole thing didn't you? Liar...Also, VC will NEVER be the focal point of an NBA champion because he doesn't do enough on the court like Kobe or Tim Duncan.
Howard was the ONLY reason the Cavs were in the Finals? When you lose 4-1, it's not because of one player. It's because you're not the better team. If my memory serves me right, Hedo was the best player in that series. You can call Alston garbage all you want, but if you seriously watched the Playoffs you would know that the Magic wouldn't have been in the position they were in if it weren't for his great play after Jameer Nelson went down. Hence my previous argument about the Cavs in desperate need for a solid PG, not another big man. And Shaq won't be able to guard Howard without fouling. Acquiring Shaq is a desperate move to keep LeBron in Cleveland. Can't you read between the lines? If they win a championship with Shaq on the roster, then LeBron doesn't have an excuse to leave in the summer of 2010. Why else would they get him?
On to Boston...how can you call Paul Pierce and KG washed up and not throw Shaq in there as well? He's way older and much less productive than those two. Why do you think he's been traded twice in three years? Rondo may not have a great shot, but the dude was putting up triple-doubles and near triple-doubles in the Playoffs. Also, the Celtic bench isn't great, but I wouldn't call House, Davis and Powe awful. You're pretty off base with all of these arguments and you sound like a true homer.
Last edited by TFloss32; 06-27-2009 at 06:45 PM.
Make LeBron shot FT's, he will show you how CLUTCH he is... It is not even close, Kobe is the better BASKETBALL player, LeBron is the better athlete. When LeBron become a better overall basketball player I will give him the edge. Until then, Kobe is best ball player in the league PERIOD. Stats are for LOSERS!!!!
Sheed got a speeding ticket this morning in SA.
3 more tickets and he'll be kicked out of the city
Spurstrodamus..there's something you don't seem to understand. Listen closely...stats aren't everything in basketball. Some people have a spark...some people just have that fire that a team needs to win. I truly believe that in 1999, the Spurs would not have won the le without Mario Elie. Yes..Rafer Alston was a HUGE reason Orlando beat Boston. Without Alston's ability to shoot the 3, they wouldn't have won. Maybe he wasn't phenomenal in that series, but they sure as ran out there to him, leaving the paint a lot more open. Basketball isn't about just stats and facts and figures. You can ask everyone on this forum one question..."If your team had to make a game winning shot and your life was on the line, and you had one guy to pick to shoot it, who would it be?" 75% of the people on here, even the haters, would say Kobe. He's just got the instinct. I'd really love to know where you get your knowledge of basketball...or lack thereof...you seem like a computer nerd that thinks numbers are everything.
LeBron would make a great NFL TE. Antonio Gates like...
My argument for Alston is the intangibles he brings to the table as a PG and his ability to make plays as a distributor (one thing the Cavs don't have). He made the other Magic players better and more productive as the season went on. His shooting percentage is irrelevant because he's not there to be a scorer for them and he doesn't take a lot of shots, even though he did hit some big shots during the Playoffs. This is my reason for backing him and he has grown a lot as a player.
Glad you decided to admit that Shaq is close to being done. Garnett on the other hand is not done and has a lot more productive years left than Shaq. I don't care if he scored two points less than Shaq last year, he plays with two all-stars who put up close to 20 per night. Plus, Shaq's numbers are, of course, going to get a jolt if he plays without Amare Stoudemire for a good portion of the season. How can you call Kevin Garnett, the Defensive Player of the Year from a year ago, awful? He will be a big part of Boston's success next year and they are by no means done as a team. They will be a top 3 seed in the East and you know that (mainly because the East is awful outside of Cleveland, Orlando and Boston). I guarantee you the Magic and Cavs would skip playing a healthy Celtics team in the Playoffs if given the chance.
Hes in town to see Eva.Friend of who was getting on a flight just texted me that he saw Rasheed at the airport. What could the spurs be up to?
He is at Walmart with Timmy, Tony, and Eva.
You try and use stats as some sort of blunt instrument but you are completely clueless as to use them. True stats are the best vehicle to predict future performance but there are certain standards that have to be met and you fail oh so very hard at it.
1) You keep babbling about game winning shots when in the statistical sense those are being entirely misevaluated. First of all when looking at a game as a whole shooting a shot in the first quarter contributes just as much to the winning total as do shots at the end. The issue in sports is the whole idea of pressure which is virtually impossible to quantify. For example, there is much more pressure on the road in the playoffs then there is at home in the 12th game of the regular season.
Its generally accepted though that you look at performance in close and late situations. In football that is typically the last two minutes of a half with the game within 6 points. In baseball I believe its the ninth inning and within a run. Either way walkoff RBI are not the criteria for evaluation nor are a final shot that breaks a tie or takes a lead in the game in basketball.
For example under your paradigm, Duncan's shot against the Laker's in the .4 game put us up by 1 and had Fisher not hit the following shot to win the game, Duncan's shot would have been considered the game winner and counted. Instead Fisher's shot is the only considering factor. Prima facia, that is stupid.
2) I do not know nor do I have any desire to find out what the standard deviation of FG% of close and late game shots are in the NBA. What I do know is that the half dozen or so shots that Carter took in said situations do not cons ute a significant sample size for them to predict future performance.
In short quit using stats because your use of them is worse than useless. Its misleading.
I watch basketball more often than you actually post something meaningful.
1. Yes I did say Carter and Lebron are not clutch. Seriously have you watched them ever. :wgaf: about stats. And in no way was I talking about just making clutch shots. Im talking about what the contenders have as a TEAM in crunch time. As much as I hate Kobe he has proved that he can come thru in late game situations with his TEAM. Lebron maybe some day but not yet. Carter never. He can win all 82 games with a game winner next season but unless he leads his TEAM to a le he has done nothing. Lebron and carter have 0 rings. Kobe 4, 1 as the leader of the TEAM. DUNCAN 4
Ginobili 3, Parker 3. Stats don't win championships sorry son.
2. Maybe I jumped the gun a little on Roger Mason but I definetly would not call him "Regular Season Roger mason." As a TEAM the spurs did not get it done last year resulting in Mason only playing in 5 plyf games with the spurs so never call him by such a name again. Simply put he is not afraid to take an open shot. Have some support for your team
3. Don't tell me what to watch and what sites to go to because I'm not listening. I will spend all the time at ESPN i want and who gives a damn about 82games blah blah blah has to say. I watch basketball I know who is clutch and who has Rings.
Wasted post sorry i didn't realize everyone had already owned MR. statastic Spurstrodamus in this thread.
I don't give a what Kobe's late game %'s are as a whole. I do know that whenever he plays against the Spurs he'll shoot about 90% in the last 2 minutes (hyperbole, but that's what it feels like)
That's all I care about. Dude is clutch as against us... whether it's in vain or not.
This just in... Kobe is good.
That just gave me goose bumps....
That just gave me a Bonner, I mean a Boner!
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