2004 Leno - "I'm retiring in 2009."
so the what?
So he changed his mind. happens all the time in all areas of life.
big ing deal. boo hoo. Conan can't carry the tonight show, so NBC wants their big dog back.
I see no problem. Grow the up and get with the real world - people each other over for a LOT WORSE things than this. Leno was harmless.
And on top of all that Conan was offered to continue hosting The Tonight Show albeit half an hour later but he refuses for the sake of his ego and his elitist view on timeslots. Coco is my favorite late night host but he's been acting like an unprofessional asshat by jeopardizing his team's jobs and their families' futures to make some kind of strange and ill-conceived controversy campaign.
NBC signed Conan to a deal, and they are reneging on it. It's stupid. They set him up to fail by putting Leno on before the local news. Local affiliates say the Leno show is killing their own ratings because of how bad it sucks, and it's affecting Conan's ratings. Then Ebersol goes on a rant saying it's Conan's failure. Leno probably isn't to blame for all of this, but the cir stances of his previous takeover make that hard to believe. Leno is not harmless. I don't watch late night TV anyway outside of DVR'd stuff I can't watch with my daughter, but it seems pretty obvious Conan is getting screwed.
He was pressured by NBC to "retire" so NBC could promise the Tonight Show to Conan. When 2009 rolled around, Leno was still king of late night and basically said he'd consider going to another network and doing his show at the same time as the Tonight Show and Conan could have the Tonight Show. NBC freaked because they knew Leno would kill Conan in the ratings so they begged him to take a prime time slot instead of leaving. When the prime time slot didn't work for Leno and the Tonight Show didn't work for Conan, NBC did the logically decision...go back to what was working by putting Leno back on the tonight show and asking Conan to go back to what he was doing best: Late Night.
so conan's going to at least get 30 million, but he loses all of his recurring sketches, cause they will be intellectual property of NBC
Given NBC's brilliant programming decisions that have led up to this debacle I have to believe there's a chance the Fed-Ex Pope will get Jay's prime time slot.
http://deadspin.com/5449864/ex+nbc-s...re-of-them-all
Pretty good takedown of Ebersol. I forgot he was one of the masterminds behind the XFL, Arena Football on NBC, the Notre Dame contract, etc etc.
Incredibly, despite all this, Comcast is still reportedly set to install Ebersol as the head of its sports division when the NBC/Comcast merger is completed. Much like the guy he is backing in the Late Night Wars, Ebersol is lucky enough to be failing upward. Of course he's going to be on Team Leno; they're essentially the same character in alternate NBC worlds. He's got his opinion, but when you talk about "astounding failures," and NBC, Ebersol could have well been describing himself.
But hasn't Conan been a failure so far? At least ratings wise? Sure Ebersol deserves some of the blame, but of Conan's show had done what Leno's did or at least close to it, wouldn't Conan be in the driver's seat?
I am of the opinion he was set up for failure once NBC put Leno in primetime. I don't know if Ebersol had anything to do with it, he is more on the sports side of things. I don't know why he felt compelled to comment.
Set up for failure? You mean NBC wanted their ratings to tank? He had every opportunity. NBC advertised the he'll out of his show and he has had that time slot for how long?
He failed and now NBC is trying to fix it. Conan took it public to embarass NBC.
I like Conan. He was great on the Simpsons. His late show was funny in an exprimental kind of way. But his humor doesn't translate to the wider audience. Plus he dropped too much of what made the late show funny.
To be honest, he'd be way better on anything goes Fox.
Conan still does very well in the 18-35 demo that is so important to advertisers. It's why Conan will be attractive to Fox, which tends to have a younger audience anyway.
It might be tough to persuade stations to switch from reruns of shows like Seinfeld to a new talk show program hosted by Conan. If Conan does get a deal with Fox hopefully they don't cancel him prematurely like they did with Futrama, Family Guy, and Firefly.
Here's hoping he does get another talk show - he's been great although I wished he'd just accept a half hour timeslot difference so he guarantees airtime for us fans and jobs for the rest of his LA staff.
IIRC He's not the one that got sunday night football is he?
yep, Ebersol produces SNF
i thought it was another guy that was responsible for SNF though
Set him up for failure? They kept Jay off the air for like 3-4 months over the summer to let Conan find his TS audience. He was given every chance and didn't get the ratings.
The pure Darwinic TV facts are no matter how good your show is, if no one watches, you get canned. It's a tough ol' world.
You all know that Lenos rating sucked balls when he took over for johnny right? Conans sucked balls when he first started the Late Night show. So to me history would dictate you gota give it time for ppl to get settled and the show to get settled. Apparently NBC didnt care enough to give Conan a shot or Leno for that matter. NBC is a horrible failing network, plain and simple.
The Tonight Show isn't being cancelled. The Jay Leno show is.
Let's remember how this started, shall we?
The ratings for the Jay Leno show were so bad that affiliates were threatening to stop airing it, forcing NBC to pull the plug.
Take a failing show and move it. Take a show that is doing ok - not great (though pulling good ratings in the key demo for $) - and stick it behind this other show that now airs in the timeslot that has always been the Tonight Show's time slot.
What a ing brilliant move.
I fail to see how this fixes anything. It simply recreates an edited version of the old Tonight Show. I do think it's insulting to Conan.
Puts everything back the way it was.
No promise of a time slot is ever made for anyone who signs to be on any show.
The problem with that is that it is unfair to Conan. It's underhanded. The Tonight Show has been on at the same time for the past 60 years. He is supposed to be the host of the Tonight Show.
Moving it all back at it was (and stupidly airing The Tonight Show the following day) may not be a direct conflict with the terms of his contract, but he is absolutely correct that it is in spirit.
It's insulting to him.
If they are unhappy with Conan, they need to fire him. But if they fire him, they have to pay out the full amount, just as they have to pay out Leno if they cancel his show.
Leno, whose show is so bad and gets such low ratings that affiliates were complaining. . . it's just unfathomable.
Conan is being punished for Leno's failure and NBC's failure.
NBC is trying to pretend it's something else, trying to say it's about Conan's ratings, but it isn't. It's about Leno's ratings, but NBC is trying to say it's not. And that's ridiculous.
all of friday night's jokes sucked
major letdown, i even tuned in to leno for a little while
Leno was still making money for NBC despite the issues with his new show.
If Conan's ratings were better, then this would not be happening.
It's show business- it's not really fair that any of these guys make the money they make for what they do. The whining makes them all look small.
For the record, I don't watch any of them except Craig Ferguson.
Seems like this has happened before?
Jay Leno Criticizes NBC On 'Tonight' Cliffhanger
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