San Antonio lands UFL team

[SouthTexasRancher]

Where have you read/heard this, or are you just making up stuff to post?

Stick it up yours. I don't make things up, dude or are you a dudette?

[fyatuk]

Uhhhhh, excuse me....and just how many of those teams are still playing? ROTFFLMFAO...! I don't think any of our minor league teams lasted more than 2 years and the owners were sued for back payments for stadium rental, players wages, etc.

Quick, how many San Antonio teams have folded before the league they were in shut down....

Answer: 1, the Texans, and that was because they were the only US team left, not because they were a failure.

Plus, that's irrelevant to the claim of the pittifully small attendence numbers I responded to.

If you think another one of these jokes will be supported then by all means spend your money on tickets. I have yet to talk to anyone who would even go to a game and they went to the games of the other minor league teams we had here.

Just about everyone I've talked to would give it a shot for $10 a seat. Of course, both are sample sizes are extremely small and not representative of the whole.

And 15,000 in even Alamo Stadium will look puny, but in the Alamodome the place will look like it does when high schools play there....EMPTY!!!

Most of the City Council and County Judges have weighed-in and they say nay! San Antonio is definitely big enough to support an NFL team. We have people here with the $$$$$$$$$$ to own an NFL team. But, we are a long shot for an expansion team. Our best bet is to get a team looking to move. Of course the NFL big shots will scream at the top of their lungs unless it is headed by a guy like Red McCombs. When he owned the Vikings both he and Tom Benson were living in SA. I think Tom now spends more time in N.O. San Antonio and its Metro is bigger than several NFL cities but, the average wages in SA don't match up with some of those in the small markets, even though our cost of living is about the lowest in the nation. We need a few more large corporations here. And it didn't help when that dumb asshole move the AT&T headquarters out of SA 2 years ago. We are making major improvements at our airport but, still don't have the airlines using it as a major hub which hurts us.

And yet we won't ever get an NFL team because there is no, and will be no, fiscal attractiveness for the NFL to place a team in SA. The NFL or bust at ude is just idiotic.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I dont know man, 15K in a stadium that holds 65K would be pretty pathetic. That being said........... I pray Utsa can bring in more than 15K once the team gets rolling.

UTSA will definitely bring in more once the program gets going (1-2 years). And on days when UT Austin is playing away games the stadium here will get the crowds. UTSA was smart getting such a great coach to start the program off. Having won a National Championship helps one of a lot with recruiting.

Go Longhorns and Roadrunners!!!

[SouthTexasRancher]

Quick, how many San Antonio teams have folded before the league they were in shut down....

Answer: 1, the Texans, and that was because they were the only US team left, not because they were a failure.

Plus, that's irrelevant to the claim of the pittifully small attendence numbers I responded to.



Just about everyone I've talked to would give it a shot for $10 a seat. Of course, both are sample sizes are extremely small and not representative of the whole.



And yet we won't ever get an NFL team because there is no, and will be no, fiscal attractiveness for the NFL to place a team in SA. The NFL or bust at ude is just idiotic.

Go argue with your Kindergarten school teacher. You are a total waste of my time...!

[Blake]

Uhhhhh, excuse me....and just how many of those teams are still playing? ROTFFLMFAO...! I don't think any of our minor league teams lasted more than 2 years and the owners were sued for back payments for stadium rental, players wages, etc.

If you think another one of these jokes will be supported then by all means spend your money on tickets. I have yet to talk to anyone who would even go to a game and they went to the games of the other minor league teams we had here.

And 15,000 in even Alamo Stadium will look puny, but in the Alamodome the place will look like it does when high schools play there....EMPTY!!!

Most of the City Council and County Judges have weighed-in and they say nay! San Antonio is definitely big enough to support an NFL team. We have people here with the $$$$$$$$$$ to own an NFL team. But, we are a long shot for an expansion team. Our best bet is to get a team looking to move. Of course the NFL big shots will scream at the top of their lungs unless it is headed by a guy like Red McCombs. When he owned the Vikings both he and Tom Benson were living in SA. I think Tom now spends more time in N.O. San Antonio and its Metro is bigger than several NFL cities but, the average wages in SA don't match up with some of those in the small markets, even though our cost of living is about the lowest in the nation. We need a few more large corporations here. And it didn't help when that dumb asshole move the AT&T headquarters out of SA 2 years ago. We are making major improvements at our airport but, still don't have the airlines using it as a major hub which hurts us.

Why do you think Red McCombs never moved the Vikings here?

[fyatuk]

Go argue with your Kindergarten school teacher. You are a total waste of my time...!

Oh, yes, I don't get upset or argumentative over an aggressive person on the internet who states ridiculously wrong information, and has no interest in calm, factual, logical discourse, so I'm a waste of time

Alrighty then.

[Buddy Holly]

A couple of the recent articles in EN/MySA have contained negative comments from city government officials and civilian leaders.











There should be quotes out there along the same lines.

Only one of those people you quoted is a "city official".

Also, it doesn't matter what the city officials think really, all that has to be done is a local owner has to invest money into the team and bam, SA has a team and word is a investor has already done so.

I'd assume the meeting with city officials is to see if the team can play at the dome.

[bresilhac]

This is the worst thing that could happen to SA's chances of landing an NFL team down the road. This will give the ego-maniac owners of NFL teams another reason to say SA is a minor league city and can't support an NFL team. Much like Houston with their failure to field an NFL worthy team in what, centuries?

Most of the powers in city government are against this stupid venture. Hopefully, they'll set a $5,000,000.00 per game charge for use of the Alamodome to keep jokes like this from setting up camp here. 10,000 will show up for the first game, then 4,000 for the second and by the 3rd game we'll be lucky to have 2,000 people show up unless they hand out free food and beer all game long.

Wings, Riders, Gunslingers, etc....ROTFFLMFAO!!!

A Doomed Failure from the get-go!

I totally agree Tex. This latest minor league football venture is doomed to pitifully fail. And I am very glad the powers that be at City Hall are against having this mess come to town. San Antonians want and deserve and most importantly can support NFL football. Anything else would be just a tremendous waste of time and money.

[Buddy Holly]

Why do you think Red McCombs never moved the Vikings here?

Did he tell you?

[SouthTexasRancher]

Why do you think Red McCombs never moved the Vikings here?

At the time it was not a viable option for many reasons including the NFL made it clear to Red he was not to move the team out of the Minny market. And when the city would not back the building of a new stadium he did the smart thing and sold the teams and cleared several hundred million dollars. Red is many things but, stupid he is not.

Several months ago Red was interviewed by Don Harris and he told Don that San Antonio would definitely support an NFL team. , we even supported the Saints when they were only the Aint's!

The bottom line for any poster is if you want to support a UFL team it is no sweat off my back. There is a reason why there are so many auto manufacturers....so everyone has a choice basked on personal likes, money to spend, etc. I just have no desire to support another rinkydink minor league team. I will support local high school and college teams and an NFL team when we get one and we WILL get one!!!

[fyatuk]

Only one of those people you quoted is a "city official".

Also, it doesn't matter what the city officials think really, all that has to be done is a local owner has to invest money into the team and bam, SA has a team and word is a investor has already done so.

I'd assume the meeting with city officials is to see if the team can play at the dome.

Well, one I specified city offical and civilian leaders.

and 2, your count is wrong.

Jim Mery, Michael Sculley, and Philip Cortez are all city officials. Only Cortez is part of the City Council, but all have significant roles in the governance of our city, at least as it pertains to the UFL.

Richard Perez is the head of the Chamber of Commerce.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Oh, yes, I don't get upset or argumentative over an aggressive person on the internet who states ridiculously wrong information, and has no interest in calm, factual, logical discourse, so I'm a waste of time

Alrighty then.

No, fyatuk, I have no desire to spend endless time on someone who just wants to argue. I've already said it is your choice to support or not support another minor league team. I have absolutely, positively no desire to waste my time. It is also your right to make up lies. There is not a lie in any of my posts. You are just not smart enough to search out the information for yourself. Get mommy to help you out. See you around, kid. I've already spent too much time on this issue. Just go to the UFL games and you'll be happy!

[SouthTexasRancher]

I totally agree Tex. This latest minor league football venture is doomed to pitifully fail. And I am very glad the powers that be at City Hall are against having this mess come to town. San Antonians want and deserve and most importantly can support NFL football. Anything else would be just a tremendous waste of time and money.

Thanks bresilhac. I'm going to leave it with you. Maybe you can knock some sense into a couple of these posters.

[fyatuk]

No, fyatuk, I have no desire to spend endless time on someone who just wants to argue. I've already said it is your choice to support or not support another minor league team. I have absolutely, positively no desire to waste my time. It is also your right to make up lies. There is not a lie in any of my posts. You are just not smart enough to search out the information for yourself. Get mommy to help you out. See you around, kid. I've already spent too much time on this issue. Just go to the UFL games and you'll be happy!

Lol.

Considering I never said you lied (only pointed out your ridiculous crack about the number of attendees), and you haven't shared any information I didn't already have (in fact, I have a lot more information than you've shared). I've researched all this thoroughly for articles I've written and had published.

You're the one who got aggressive and argumentative after I pointed out you were being ridiculous on that one part. I have also not lied a single time in my posts in this thread.

But have fun either way. If the UFL comes here, I'll gladly go with my friends and have a blast. I'm not trying to force anyone to go, just trying to clear up mis-statements and mis-understandings about the league and city.

[Blake]

At the time it was not a viable option for many reasons including the NFL made it clear to Red he was not to move the team out of the Minny market. And when the city would not back the building of a new stadium he did the smart thing and sold the teams and cleared several hundred million dollars. Red is many things but, stupid he is not.

So you think the city right now would be willing to build a new stadium for an NFL owner?

and/or which owner do you currently think will get clearance from the NFL to move and is actually stupid enough to move his team into the Alamodome?

Several months ago Red was interviewed by Don Harris and he told Don that San Antonio would definitely support an NFL team. , we even supported the Saints when they were only the Aint's!

Red has said that for a long time.....even before he owned the Vikings.

I will support local high school and college teams and an NFL team when we get one and we WILL get one!!!

when do you think we will get one?

[Blake]

No, fyatuk, I have no desire to spend endless time on someone who just wants to argue...... I have absolutely, positively no desire to waste my time........I've already spent too much time on this issue.....

[CubanMustGo]

No, fyatuk, I have no desire to spend endless time on someone who can rebut my sad excuses for an argument with actual stats, figures, and quotes . I've already said it is your choice to support or not support another minor league team. I have absolutely, positively no facts to base up my call for an NFL team. It is also your right to make up lies, but if you do, you'll be just like me. There is not an actual fact in any of my posts. You are too smart for me and making me look like a total moron. I asked mommy to help me out, but she told me to quit crying and admit defeat. See you around, kid. I've already been cornholed too much on this issue. Just go to the UFL games and you'll be happy, unlike me who will be crying over the NFL team that will never make it to San Antonio!

[Buddy Holly]

Well, one I specified city offical and civilian leaders.

and 2, your count is wrong.

Jim Mery, Michael Sculley, and Philip Cortez are all city officials. Only Cortez is part of the City Council, but all have significant roles in the governance of our city, at least as it pertains to the UFL.

City employee is not the same as City Official.

Richard Perez is the head of the Chamber of Commerce.

The COC is not associated with city government.

[Buddy Holly]

So you think the city right now would be willing to build a new stadium for an NFL owner?

Why does everyone act like the only way for stadiums to be built is by a city and WTF does that even mean?

and/or which owner do you currently think will get clearance from the NFL to move and is actually stupid enough to move his team into the Alamodome?

Probably an owner that knows the Dome would be a short stop gap before playing in a new stadium.

when do you think we will get one?

Tomorrow. Is that the correct answer?

[fyatuk]

City employee is not the same as City Official.

Semantics. It's a fluid definition that differs from person to person and place to place. Their all important people within the city government. To me, they're high enough to be considered officials since they have a say in negotiations, etc.

If you have an official, legal definition that applies to San Antonio government, I'd love to see it.

The COC is not associated with city government.

Which is why that was a separate paragraph. I thought it was rather clear when I listed the first three as city people without giving departments, then had a separate paragraph for him.

I just figured people might not know the name, so I added the explanation of who he was, since I was giving more info on the others.

You're working to hard picking nits, man. Not even important crap, either.

[Blake]

Why does everyone act like the only way for stadiums to be built is by a city and WTF does that even mean?

And when the city would not back the building of a new stadium he did the smart thing and sold the teams and cleared several hundred million dollars. Red is many things but, stupid he is not.

STR just said Red sold the Vikes because the city would not back the building of a new stadium. He said stupid he is not.

If San Antonio or Bexar County isn't in position to subsidize a new stadium, then how do you foresee a new stadium getting built here?

Probably an owner that knows the Dome would be a short stop gap before playing in a new stadium.

which owner?

Tomorrow. Is that the correct answer?

I was asking STR for his opinion.

But if you really think tomorrow is the day, then no, that would be incorrect.

[AndyG]

I think people who think that we have a real chance to bring an NFL team to San Antonio are delusional. The NFL is just not interested. In order to get a team we first must at least have the financing to build a new stadium ; we don't and we don't have the equivalent of an Ed Roski who has commited to build a stadium in Los Angeles with his own money if he were allowed to purchase a piece of an NFL team.. If Red McCombs had the money and was willing to spend it he would of already done so. That leaves the taxpayers. Personally I don't think that will happen. No way will San Antonio build another stadium.
Also; the San Antonio market belongs to Jerry Jones; he may say otherwise but he would never support a team in San Antonio. He just wants to have a place where he can have a cheap camp and we oblige him of course; in return we can get autographs and watch the team practice.

Our best bet for a pro football team is not the NFL: but the UFL. We have to face that. We are a city like others in this nation that are sizeable but
for various reasons the NFL has bypassed us.

I enjoyed watching the UFL on Versus this past season I think that it is a good brand of football . You can call it minor league ; but most players have have played NFL and some have actually been stars.
Also the UFL has major financial backing and has a sound business plan unlike past leagues ; But; if it fails and they are done after a season what do we lose. The Alamodome as far as I know has operated in the red ; this is an opportunity to bring in more revenue. If they return in 2011 then that's even better the dome could have two tenants paying the bills.

If you don't want to go see the UFL fine; but at least allow those who do the opportunity to go watch pro football.

[Buddy Holly]

Semantics. It's a fluid definition that differs from person to person and place to place. Their all important people within the city government. To me, they're high enough to be considered officials since they have a say in negotiations, etc.

Dude, they have no say in any negotiations. The only one would be the councilman and that would be in terms of negotiation the use of the Alamodome.

Again, there's a big difference between a city employee and a city official. It's not semantics.

If you have an official, legal definition that applies to San Antonio government, I'd love to see it.

Dude, a city official is someone elected into their position by voters of the city. The only person in that role that you quoted is the councilman.

[Buddy Holly]

STR just said Red sold the Vikes because the city would not back the building of a new stadium. He said stupid he is not.

If San Antonio or Bexar County isn't in position to subsidize a new stadium, then how do you foresee a new stadium getting built here?

Guy, there are other ways to fund the building of a stadium. Not just one.

which owner?

You asked a hypothetical. I answered with a hypothetical and now you want to know who?

Waldo from Where's Waldo. That's who.

But if you really think tomorrow is the day, then no, that would be incorrect.

Bummer. Something next week then?

[fyatuk]

Dude, they have no say in any negotiations. The only one would be the councilman and that would be in terms of negotiation the use of the Alamodome.

Again, there's a big difference between a city employee and a city official. It's not semantics.

Which would be the important people in terms of the UFL....

Mery would be the primary contact for leasing the dome, etc.

Dude, a city official is someone elected into their position by voters of the city. The only person in that role that you quoted is the councilman.

That would be an elected official. Portland, and many other places, count appointed people as officials. Most people consider Cabinet heads as US government officials, and they aren't elected.

How about the actual defintion of official: a person appointed or elected to an office or charged with certain duties. (dictionary.com)

Like I said, show me an official legal definition that applies to San Antonio to support yours, and I'll go with it. Unless you can do that, you're flat out wrong.