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Strangely enough, the worst part of his game last night was his decision-making on the break. Low and/or late is not the way to pass to a following Nazr.
Barry is a smart team player who is always within his capabilities. You seldom see him make a fundamental mistake for a TO. If you'd look at him as a tall, veteran, point guard who can also shoot for a good percentage (rather than a prolific scorer) then you begin to appreciate the depth that he gives to the Spurs.
I think he is a great acquisition for the Spurs and you notice that the team doesn't question his promotion to the starting SG to make the team better. (Of course that may be because no one wants a bus ticket out of town for questioning Pop's decisions)
Five straight wins with Barry playing significant minutes. Maybe people ought to find another whipping boy.
Strangely enough, the worst part of his game last night was his decision-making on the break. Low and/or late is not the way to pass to a following Nazr.
Actually...it's more revealing than that...
The Spurs are 11-2 when Barry starts period. 8 of those were Manuless games.
When Barry starts with Tim Duncan the Spurs are 9-0. 8 of those without Manu.
When Barry starts without Manu or Duncan being healthy the Spurs are 1-2.
The two losses we have with Barry starting were @ Phoenix and VS Denver and we lost both by by a total of 9 points....with no Duncan or Manu.
You see similar trends with his minutes...
And you see similar trends with his Seattle career....
His struggles this season...well Barry was just 12 3 pointers short of being a 40% shooter this season from 3.
Passing up shots? This is the biggest peice of BS thrown around by the Barry haters...
He lead the team in 3PPA playing only 21 minutes per game.
His 3.5 attempts per game were tied with Manu for the team lead, more than Hedo averaged per game last season, in 25 mins per game, and the most by any Spur since Jack averaged 3.7 per game, in nearly 28 mins per game.
And I am sorry, but you guys are fools if you think he gets more open looks from 3 than Jack or Hedo, did playing more minutes. He's a career 40% shooter, I believe the 17th best career mark in NBA history...he doesn't get left open often.
If you dropped a rolls royce back into the caveman era they would destroy it...this is very similar to Barry's relationship with the Spurs and their fans....they want to bash what they don't understand...and if it doesn't play D, they don't understand. I think they get it from the coach.
Last edited by whottt; 05-09-2005 at 03:22 PM.
OMG!!!
Well, there's one more thing to consider:
Bruce is a 57% free throw shooter, Barry is 83%.
You are the one who was against Barry starting. I was the one saying it was a good idea. You said it didn't make a difference. You just proved yourself wrong.
Apologize to yourself.
Welcome to the light.
In the thread announcing Barry is going to start:
Get this...
In Barry's 13 starts this season...the Spurs have only failed to score 100 points 3 times...
Our highest scoring game of the season was in a Barry start with no Duncan or Manu.
Now you see the light.
Congrats.
New Numbers:
MPG -- 26.5
PPG -- 7.2
FG% -- .481
3P% -- .389
FT% -- .833
Reb -- 2.2
Assists -- 2.5
, Barry is doing better than Beno now!
TimVP...you want him to put up better traditional numbers...
Starting him won't do that.
You see similar w-l trends just when he gets 25 minutes...something easily attainable off the bench.
Really it's not even about minutes...it's about what moments he sits on the bench.
Starting is irrelevant to whether or not he puts up numbers...
His highest scoring game this season came off the bench.
The 4 times he lead the team in scoring this season, were all off the bench.
The year he lead the NBA in 3 shooting was done in large part off the bench.
When he does put up good numbers with us....it's a ing blowout...you want more of those...use him like we did early in the season...where we turn into a transition team when we go to our bench and Duncan is off the court...
I say try subbing in Barry for Beno. If he's such a playmaker whottt says he is, he should have no trouble beating out Beno for this spot.
The only problem with this is, who starts for Manu? Pop always wants 2 of the Terrifying Three (Timmy, Tony and Manu) on the court.
Beno and Tony together as starters?!?
But, Barry is better than Beno. Thus the starting spot.
I think Pop has it figured out, and until we lose, why mess with what's working?
EDIT: Why are we even discussing this?!?
Brent's numbers in the Playoffs are now officially better than those in the regular season. IT'S WORKING JUST FINE, folks!
Last edited by MadDog73; 05-09-2005 at 03:44 PM.
Ni TimVP...I don't see the light...
Because we are 29-7 when he plays more than 26 minutes in a game...We are 8-7 when he plays under 15 minutes per game.
What I see is that when we put him on the court we win...and when we don't we lose.
What I see is that when he doesn't play in the 4th we lose(please take my word for it).
It's been the trend all season long...it makes no difference if he starts or not.
Brent Barry just needs to take the ball to the rack more and try to take some mid range jumpers.
Even if thats not his game. If he misses, he misses, but he'll still have a better shot at hitting a 15 footer than a three pointer, i think. The guy's a good shooter.
I've only been here a short while, but even i remember Whottt posting some stats showing how the offense just happens to work better with barry on the floor, by more of a degree than some of the other players on the squad.
Those stats, plus the way our offense totally stagnated when we took out barry against denver shows he's not just the invisible man.
he just needs to make himself more known on the court.
I really think Pop is making him do what he's been doing though and Barry just needs to ignore his dumb ass and start doing more with the ball.
When I saw the le to this thread I could have sworn it was going to be whottt's collection of nude photo's of Brent Barry.
Only in freaking San Antonio do people wonder if Brent Barry is a better player than Beno Udrih and Devin Brown...
Like I said...if Steve Nash was on this team he'd be the third string PG. Pop offensive moronicism is contagious and has infected the whole town.
And BTW...Barry averaged more assist per game than Beno, more per 48 than Beno, in the regular season and playoffs, he also had the best assist to to ratio on the team and lead the team guards in fewest to's per 48.
I been saying all season we should use him as the back up point...when we were doing that we were off to the best start in team history...
And finally Pop has started doing that again in these playoffs...my point is that Barry doesn't have to start to be able to do that...Manu is still doing it some off the bench...we did it earlier in the season...Right now Pop seems to only be letting Barry do it one out of the two segments he plays with Beno...
Beno is allegedly more of a true PG...but if you ask me he does a better job of being a spot up shooter than he does handling the ball...at this stage of his career.
I bet I could prove my rabbit's foot is the key to the Spurs winning if I broke down the stats like you Whottt.
Until we lose a game, I fail to see your argument that Pop is doing something wrong.
What about Barry's start last night did you find objectionable?
If Barry starts, we don't need him in the fourth, 'cause we're LEADING.
Note how the Barry haters just come in here and talk without having any statistical data..
From now I will no longer post stats...I will just unsubstantiated like everyone else does...
BTW...TimVP, TPark, Red head...all need to apologize for questioning me when I said we were being out scored in the second half of playoff games when Barry wasn't on the court...
It's a fact that we were outscored without him on the court. It's also a fact that we outscored the Nuggets with him on the court.
its analogous to the rasho haters who say nazr plays better defense than him and then for proof they point to his offensive rebounds
Is that your only point?!? Thanks for pointing that out. However, as long as we're winning games with Barry starting, I don't see him coming off the bench.
I STILL don't get what problem you have with that... it seems all this anger is coming from that one horrible game 1 where not even Tim played well!
Maybe Barry would have fixed it, maybe he wouldn't.
FACT: Since Barry has started, we haven't had to find out!
Just what would you like for Pop to do... LOSE some games just to prove you right?
So Barry's playing great? Is that what you are saying?
We're in for a rude awakening (offensively) when PJ leaves us
I don't like it because it's a lazy solution to the problem...it's Hedo revisted...
#1.It still didn't work last year.
#2.The reason it worked for Hedo was because he wanted to start, he wanted the numbers so he could get paid....Barry doesn't care, he just wants to win.
I because starting is not the solution to the problem...giving him time running the point is...and it's something we are doing now...but the haters need to recognize the cause of the problem and stop blaming the victim.
Did you read this? The two games where Barry played the fewest minutes in the 4th we blew a 6 point lead and an 8 point lead...the loss and the OT game. We never lost the lead with Barry on the court.
IMO you want Barry in the game with the lead in the 4th over any other time. Even if it's just for a couple of minutes.
Barry is playing better than Beno.
He's playing well enough to win games.
And hopefully he will continue to improve.
That's good enough for me, anyway!
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