Jefferson looks like a better fit than Deng to play with Rose, and Deng a better fit of RJ to play with us...the only way I look at this trade is just if we take Portland's place and we sell Jefferson (at a lower price than Deng in sign and trade, so CHI can have the desired cap space) for Deng.
That's just a ridiculous thing to say at this point in the offseason. We all thing rookies are going to contriubte and it just doesn't work that way. Frankly, we will need RJ and he will be much better in our system next year.
Unless we can find a great S&T or TE for RJ, then we need him on this team.
Spurs part could be a small one. just take a look at Bulls financial situation:
The salary cap is projected at $56.1M. The max FA value for players like James, Bosh or Wade is $16,568,908 and Bulls want to add 2 of them.
Bulls' team salary:
Deng: $11,345,000
Rose: $5,546,160
Noah: $3,128,536
Johnson: $1,713,600
Gibson: $1,117,680
Max FA: $16,568,908
Max FA: $16,568,908
Roster Charge: $473,604
Roster Charge: $473,604
Roster Charge: $473,604
Roster Charge: $473,604
Roster Charge: $473,604
Roster Charge: $473,604
Total: $58,830,416
Bulls need to save $2.73M to have enough cap space for 2 max players.
Trading both Johnson and Gibson for nothing won't be enough because 2 additional roster charges will be created.
The Deng for Pryz + Bayless for Deng will save them $1.01M. They still will need to lower their payroll by $1.72M to have enough cap space.
Spurs will all their non guaranteed contract could be part of the equation. They can take 2 players among Gibson, Johnson and Bayless to put Bulls enough below the cap.
Nice work.
I can't imagine the Bulls give Gibson away for nothing. He's too damn good. Johnson and Bayless? Meh, decent prospects but nothing to get excited about. I'd take 'em for the non-guaranteed contracts ... but that's not saying much.
If Spurs want Deng, I can see 2 trades that makes sense for both sides:
Case 1: Lebron goes to Chicago:
Deng for Dice + Mason(S&T, starting salary of $2.52M) + Hairston + Jerrells
Create $4M in capspace for Bulls.
Case 2: Lebron doesn't go to Chicago:
Deng for RJ (S&T, starting salary of $7.4M) + Hairston + Jerrels
Create $4M in capspace for Bulls.
Both trades will allow Chicago to sign 2 max FA.The first one is the better financially wise for Spurs but the worst basketball wise.
The Spurs, since they are over the cap or close to it, would have to be within 90% of Deng's salary. They cannot trade less for more as you are proposing.
These trades work under the CBA
Spurs can't take more than 125%+100k in a trade and these trades respect that rule.
dang......good work yo......u deserve a job at the spurs FO....u will get things done for the fans....lol
You can trust Bruno more than you can RC Buford when it comes to the numbers.
yeh Case 2 actually makes a TON of sense for the bulls; If they could snag Bosh, RJ and Wade...that's a done deal; especially intriguing when Wade's latest comments are: "Things are getting very interesting," Wade said after the meeting (with the Bulls). I don't see Wade and Lebron working on the same team...which leads me to believe the above is a more likely/favorable situation for Wade.
For the Spurs it's win imo as well; however we still need to find a solid 3 point shooter.
The Portland-Bulls deal looks bad compared to what the Spurs could offer the Bulls.
Last edited by wut; 07-03-2010 at 09:34 AM.
#1 is a horrible trade for us. End of discussion.
I would Like This Deal.... Im Not Saying Deng Is Better Then Jefferson, But I do think he fits our system better.
#3..You think we can sign a "star" backup PG & a "sniper" sf for a million a piece?
I see deng as that marvin williams type player that half of this board is in love with..
he would fit well here
man there is no love for TP on this board....
only trade i would do with the blazers is
LA and miller for parker
Deng for Przybilla and Bayless?
Mark Deeks (Sham)
A story on ESPN Radio - thus, no link - reports that the Bulls are discussing a trade with Portland that would see Luol Deng shipped out to the Blazers in exchange for Joel Przybilla and Jerryd Bayless.
Trying to dissect the history of the rumour is not easy, and it may of course be a baseless one. It seems increasingly baseless when you consider that the trade does nothing for Portland. Przybilla and Bayless are both expendable parts with the additions of Marcus Camby, Armon Johnson and Elli0t Williams over the last few months, yet there's no need for the team to acquire the incredibly expensive Deng just to back up golden boy Nicolas Batum (arguably the better player of the two already).
Nevertheless, it's out there.
The trade works financially, and is extremely beneficial to the Bulls in that regard. Przybilla is set to make $7,405,300 this season: however, he also has a 15% trade kicker, which would be invoked. With that in play, that will rise to $8,516,095. Meanwhile, Bayless is to earn $2,292,600, the duo combining for $10,808,695. This represents a $536,305 saving on Luol Deng's $11,345,000, a small but significant amount. If James Johnson and Taj Gibson are then shipped elsewhere, the Bulls have gotten their hallowed two max slots.
They'll also have gotten two decent players. Przybilla has all the offensive finesse of a three week old coffee, but he's a huge guy with great shot blocking instincts, who rebounds, moves well enough, runs the pick and roll and screens all night. (He unofficially holds the NBA record for most screens set in a half, and by "unofficially", I mean "I can't prove that but heard it once.") Przybilla is coming off of a bad knee injury, yet the healthy Przy was a fine player with plenty of defensively ability and an amusingly protracted free throw stroke. These things are unlikely to have changed.
Bayless has long been a name targetted by the Bulls; supposedly, a Hinrich trade was called off when the Bulls demanded Bayless in return. He's an undersized two guard without a great jumpshot, but with fine shot-making talent, dynamic ability in the open floor and exceptionally good at getting to the line. His opportunities with Portland have been sporadic and inconsistent, but when he's been given the opportunity to play due to injuries to others, he has performed fairly well, including 31 and 29 point games against the Spurs and Suns respectively.
Of course, if the Bulls wish to keep Taj instead, Bayless could be sent to the Clippers (say) and the money could be opened up that way. However the particulars of the deal work out, though, the Bulls are now mentioned in a trade where they get two good players and the two best contracts for a player they're currently shopping hard to a bunch of buyers that don't want him.
Which is probably why it won't happen.
I'm quoting myself but the more I think about it the more I like this trade for both teams with Chicago signing Lebron and Wade.
Bulls are also a team that is interested in Mason.
I don't think Deng is a great fit and his contract sucks for the spurs.
And I don't want to give up a big for him like McDyess either. We need depth with the bigs.
dude i think we should be gettin back more in return for helping them out clear cap space
You do realize that Pryz may never play basketball again? His injury was similar to the one that cost Dice almost two full seasons earlier in his career. His contract is better than the average expiring contract since its likely that a good chunk of 2010-11 salary will be paid by insurance.
Pryz will likely never play another minute in the NBA. Batum has shoulder problems. Yeah, trading a Finals MVP / All-Star PG for two walking wounded. How is that in any way a good trade for us?
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