Another Iraq/Afghanistan tbh
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/24...pt=T1&iref=BN1
If this is the rally around the flag effect, Obama better finish this up in a matter of weeks if not days because he's going to get some serious flak for it.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/146738/Am...nst-Libya.aspx
The 47% of Americans approving of the action against Libya is lower than what Gallup has found when asking about approval of other U.S. military campaigns in the past four decades.
HOLY if this is an accurate article. 1000 men? Our ing carriers have 1000 men by themselves.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/24/wo...er=rss&emc=rssBENGHAZI, Libya — After the uprising, the rebels stumbled as they tried to organize. They did a poor job of defining themselves when Libyans and the outside world tried to figure out what they stood for. And now, as they try to defeat Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s armed forces and militias, they will have to rely on allied airstrikes and young men with guns because the army that rebel military leaders bragged about consists of only about 1,000 trained men.
Absent clear, acheivable strategic goals, temporary action to avert slaughter can easily turn into a decade long mission to promote regime change and conversion to democracy.
I also get a kick of out of this:
Gaddafi's Rats and roaches
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesig...php?nid=175613There have been plenty of madmen taking over their countries and exercising pitch dark rule over them. You do not have to go back to ancient history or even early recorded history to know of these characters. In our own times we have experienced the likes of Idi Amin, the Duvaliers and Jean Bedel Bokassa. There was Hitler, along with Goebbels and an entire gang, to terrorise Europe between the early 1930s and mid 1940s. And now we have Muammar Gaddafi of Libya.
It is not for nothing that Ronald Reagan once called him a mad dog. We ridiculed Reagan for that comment because we thought it was uncalled for. And it was. Today, when you see an ageing Gaddafi, threatened by a popular revolt against his long authoritarian rule, describe his own fellow Libyans as rats and roaches, you realise the degree of hate with which Gaddafi has treated his people.
Looks like we just put our foot in it, again.
Can or almost always does? What was the last military engagement that ended quickly? Somalia? Haiti?
If that article is accurate - and considering the source of the information I'm not sure who would know more about the situation - then all I can say is it looks like we ed up even more than I initially feared. Absent complete outside intervention over the course of years I don't see how a force of 1000 trained men wins even with air support. You will have a stalemate at best.
don't forget the epic battle for granada
Ah yes, the nutmeg conflict. A personal favorite of mine.
Who Sold Libya Its Supermissiles
Russia has shown a willingness to sell Libya other sophisticated air defense systems in the recent past. In 2010, Moscow announced a deal to sell Tripoli a $1.8 billion package of arms that included two batteries of its big, bleeding-edge S-300 air defense missiles, in addition to Sukhoi fighter jets and T-90 tanks
Russia has sold Venezuela a shoulder-fired version of the SA-24, which is a bit different from the truck-mounted model found by Aviation Week. In classified cables released by WikiLeaks, American diplomats expressed alarm at Russia’s deal with Venezuela, writing that the missile, “considered one of the most lethal portable air defense systems ever made,”
Gadhafi is reportedly close to Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, who has blasted the coalition attacks on Libya.
The two are so close that, at one point last month, many speculated the Libyan dictator had sought exile in Venezuela
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...tories+2%29%29
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20053556.shtmlCBS News National Security correspondent David Martin reported the missions, announced in an oh-by-the-way fashion by the Pentagon, have involved a handful of F-16s that have dropped a half-dozen bombs. While officials may claim American is taking a back seat in the campaign, U.S. jets have attacked Libyan targets three times in the last 10 days. Add in aerial refueling, reconnaissance and electronic jamming missions and the U.S. is flying 35 percent of all the NATO missions.
Separately, the U.S. has said that since the Libyan mission was turned over to NATO last week, special requests must be made for American fighters to conduct airstrikes to protect civilians. Lapan said there have been no requests for that kind of help.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...tem-chaos.htmlU.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s early warning that Libya may become a failed state risks turning into reality as three weeks of Western military intervention have failed to stem the chaos that’s split the country in half.
Clinton on March 2 said Libya may become a “giant Somalia.” NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen on April 11 raised the possibility of a Libyan “failed state.” Moussa Koussa, Muammar Qaddafi’s lieutenant who defected last month, warned also that day of a Somalia-like collapse.
“It looks like a very untenable situation,” Geoff Porter, an analyst at North African Risk Consulting, said in an interview from New York. “Where we are heading is a de facto par ion, between Tripolitania and Cyrenaica,” the historic names for western and eastern Libya.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/wo...ibya.html?_r=1NATO, Arab and African ministers agreed Wednesday “to work urgently” with the Libyan rebel leadership to set up a mechanism by which some frozen assets belonging to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi and his family might be transferred to the rebel cause.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...991215284.htmlA team led by a Libyan-American telecom executive has helped rebels hijack Col. Moammar Gadhafi's cellphone network and re-establish their own communications.
The new network, first plotted on an airplane napkin and assembled with the help of oil-rich Arab nations, is giving more than two million Libyans their first connections to each other and the outside world after Col. Gadhafi cut off their telephone and Internet service about a month ago.
What a cluster .
This seems to be an issue most of us agree on.
It may be, for example, the head injury survivor used to be easy going, energetic, and thoughtful and now seems easily angered, self-absorbed, and unable to show enthusiasm for anything. Nonetheless, try not to criticize or make fun of the impaired person’s deficits. This is sure to make the person feel frustrated, angry, or embarrassed.
Go comm!
Total cluster .
But a cluster by design.
If there was ANY DOUBT IN A THINKING PERSONS HEAD that the globalists are destroying America by design, look at the Libyan War of 2011.
There is no logic, the logic is that there is no logic. Destruction by design, never been more convinced, even when I was in college listening to Alex Jones every day.
It's about money, the tonnes of gold sitting in Libyan vaults, oil and to some extent water..
AtimesOne seldom mentioned fact by western politicians and media pundits: the Central Bank of Libya is 100% State Owned ... Currently, the Libyan government creates its own money, the Libyan Dinar, through the facilities of its own central bank. Few can argue that Libya is a sovereign nation with its own great resources, able to sustain its own economic destiny. One major problem for globalist banking cartels is that in order to do business with Libya, they must go through the Libyan Central Bank and its national currency, a place where they have absolutely zero dominion or power-broking ability. Hence, taking down the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) may not appear in the speeches of Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy but this is certainly at the top of the globalist agenda for absorbing Libya into its hive of compliant nations.
These ers set up their own banking system..
The U.S. bombs Lybia..
Not Reagan...The US launched an aerial blitz on Libya in supposed retaliation for terrorist attacks on US civilians in Europe over the preceding two weeks. Over 100 Libyans were killed in the bombing raids on Tripoli and Benghazi, among them perhaps two dozens civilians, including Gaddafi’s adopted infant daughter. Hundreds of civilians were wounded. Two US pilots died after their F-111 was shot down by Libyan air defenses.
Meant to undermine the regime of Muammar Gaddafi and perhaps kill him, the operation also demonstrated the isolation of the US. Italy refused the use of its military bases or airspace, and it was later do ented that Italian Prime Minister Bettino Craxi had alerted Gaddafi of the attack two days before it took place. France—which had itself bombed a Libyan airport in Chad months earlier—refused US aircraft permission to use its airspace, forcing a considerable extension of the route for jets flying from the UK. (The French embassy in Tripoli was “accidentally” bombed in the campaign, dubbed Operation El Dorado Canyon.)
Reagan justified the attack on Libya as retaliation for the bombing of a West Berlin disco in which two US soldiers were killed, making the operation the first US attack on an Arab country justified explicitly as a response to terrorism. “When our citizens are attacked or abused anywhere in the world on the direct orders of hostile regimes, we will respond so long as I’m in this office,” Reagan said in a nationally televised address hours after the patently illegal attack took place. Simultaneously, 3,000 miles away in Afghanistan, Washington was arming and training Islamist terrorists fighting against the Soviet-backed regime. These would later produce Al Qaeda.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-ground-troopsThe EU has drawn up a "concept of operations" for the deployment of military forces in Libya, but needs UN approval for what would be the riskiest and most controversial mission undertaken by Brussels.
The armed forces, numbering no more than 1,000, would be deployed to secure the delivery of aid supplies, would not be engaged in a combat role but would be authorised to fight if they or their humanitarian wards were threatened. "It would be to secure sea and land corridors inside the country," said an EU official.
The decision to prepare the mission, dubbed Eufor Libya, was taken by the 27 governments at the beginning of April. In recent days, diplomats from the member states have signed a 61-page do ent on the concept of operations, which rehearses various scenarios for the mission in and around Libya, such as securing port areas, aid delivery corridors, loading and unloading ships, providing naval escorts, and discussing the military assets that would be required.
Mission creep...
Yep.
A question..............
..........do our "humanitarian wards" include the rebels?The armed forces, numbering no more than 1,000, would be deployed to secure the delivery of aid supplies, would not be engaged in a combat role but would be authorised to fight if they or their humanitarian wards were threatened.
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