Why won't God heal amputees?

[baseline bum]

I think god should strongly consider having his own 'American Psycho' movie. There he could explain the rationale for all these alleged 'tests', and why he still loves everyone regardless of the outcome of such 'tests'.

The first scene could have some bag ghost-hunters find him with their EMF meters.

[AFBlue]

Thinking god did anything for you on a personal level when he's neglected to do stuff like warn Haitians about a catastrophic Earthquake is one of the most narcissistic behaviors I've ever seen someone exhibit.

I believe God has a plan for each and every one of us. How is that narcissistic? Is it because I chose a positive example? How about this one....God "neglected" to save my twin sister who passed about six weeks after we were born. I don't know why God chose to end her path almost before it had a chance to begin, but I know my life and the life of my family members (parents/siblings) would've been significantly different had she lived.

I don't know when God has divined for my life to end, but I choose to believe it will serve a purpose in other people's paths and I will be ready to live my eternal life in the heaven I believe in.

[ElNono]

The first scene could have some bag ghost-hunters find him with their EMF meters.

[ElNono]

But where do light bulbs come from?
/Darrin

[LnGrrrR]

Whose problem is it...non-believers? I can't change the fact that you see randomness and I see a path divined by God. It's called faith for a reason.

I used poor wording. It's not really a "problem", it's just that it doesn't look any different to non-believers. I'm perfectly fine with people who believe in God.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see God in the existence of life from a general viewpoint, but I also see God working in my own walk of life. I can choose to believe the creation of life was a random act and that the events in my life are similarly random...but I don't. I have faith that a supreme being created life from nothingness and has purposefully set our paths.

As an example, I met my wife after year four of college at Baylor. Had I decided to go elsewhere or not changed my degree plan midstream (forcing a fifth year), and should she have not done the same (got her Masters in the same time it took me to get my Bachelors ) we never would've met. Again, you can look at that string and call it random, but I say it's devined by God.

Is that direct proof? No, but that's why it's a leap of faith.

Fair enough. Thanks for the response. Thats not enough for me but I am not you and thats the point.

[LnGrrrR]

You don't get it. God already had set up the path of all of those Haitians and used the Earthquake as a 'test of character'. It might look like such a god is an asshole, but he actually loves you and all those that passed and failed the 'test of character'

No no no. In this case, the Haitians were a noble sacrifice, and it's really a test for those of us are good enough off that we can donate 10 dollars to the recovery fund.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How is that narcissistic?

Because it implies god cared more about getting you married than saving the lives of thousands of Haitians.

But if you actually believe a bunch of Haitians dying in an Earthquake was "A path god chose", then you can pretty much justify anything. All I can say is god is an asshole for choosing to kill so many innocent Haitians.

[AFBlue]

I used poor wording. It's not really a "problem", it's just that it doesn't look any different to non-believers. I'm perfectly fine with people who believe in God.

And I'm perfectly fine with people who don't believe. I don't like being called an idiot because I believe in something others don't, but I suspect it's probably a common response to being told you have no moral compass or will burn in for your non-belief.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

All we need now is Angel_Luv to post in this thread about how god guided her to the path of making meat loaf for dinner after she quit her job at the mall.

[AFBlue]

Because it implies god cared more about getting you married than saving the lives of thousands of Haitians.

But if you actually believe a bunch of Haitians dying in an Earthquake was "A path god chose", then you can pretty much justify anything. All I can say is god is an asshole for choosing to kill so many innocent Haitians.

You can believe God is an asshole as long as you don't think I'm a narcissist. I have an image I'd like to uphold.

[AFBlue]

All we need now is Angel_Luv to post in this thread about how god guided her to the path of making meat loaf for dinner after she quit her job at the mall.

mmm...meatloaf, definitely one of God's greatest creations.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You can think of me however which way you want and I can think of you however I want. It's nothing personal, anyone who believes god has ever done them a favor on a personal level IMO is narcissistic. Whether it be you, Angel_Luv, or even David Robinson.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I suspect it's probably a common response to being told you have no moral compass or will burn in for your non-belief.

This I will say is 100% true. If believers in god didn't make any effort to shove their beliefs down my throat with gay marriage laws, pro-life laws, or laws against stem cell research, I wouldn't give two s about god or Christianity one way or another.

Since there are millions of Christians in this country who feel the bible should be what the government uses to make laws, I feel that the only way to respond is to point out how flawed and stupid I think the bible is.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Good or evil just like beauty and ugliness do not necessarily require 'God' to exist. That particular discussion has been central within philosophy forever. It goes back all the way to Plato and his forms.


It also revolves around the question of whether or not some knowledge exists without human perception. Is the notion of good and evil existent only because humans and by extension human social constructs perceive it or does it exist independent of that.

I can see cir stances where they exist just as i can see some sort of sentient greater being that dictates those terms. All of the typical moral maxims have some basis in social control as far as I can tell so I personally believe them to be social constructs but I consider the possibility that they are notions that exist in and of themselves as well as because of some heretofore unrevealed God's desire.

[AFBlue]

You can think of me however which way you want and I can think of you however I want. It's nothing personal, anyone who believes god has ever done them a favor on a personal level IMO is narcissistic. Whether it be you, Angel_Luv, or even David Robinson.

You're misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say God did me a favor by introducing me to my wife. I said it was my path, which God has divined. That is one thing I'm certainly thankful to him for, but it wasn't God doing me a solid because I put five extra bucks in the offering plate.

For what it's worth, I think whatever has happened in your life (good and bad) has also been divined by God. If it applies to everyone and doesn't just reflect "the good stuff", how does that make me a narcissist?

[NASpurs]

This I will say is 100% true. If believers in god didn't make any effort to shove their beliefs down my throat with gay marriage laws, pro-life laws, or laws against stem cell research, I wouldn't give two s about god or Christianity one way or another.

Since there are millions of Christians in this country who feel the bible should be what the government uses to make laws, I feel that the only way to respond is to point out how flawed and stupid I think the bible is.

And you chose the loud mouth, condescending way. Good choice.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm no more (or less) loud mouth and condescending than religious right dominionists who want abortion and gay marriage to be banned in the US. The only difference is, I don't want to suppress the rights of gays or rape victims.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And you chose the loud mouth, condescending way. Good choice.

Religion should not dictate policy and when people try and do it anyway there is pushback.

[ElNono]

But where do light bulbs come from?
/Darrin

Not surprised none of you dishonest atheists can answer this question, tbh

[ElNono]

Religion should not dictate policy and when people try and do it anyway there is pushback.

Creations like laws from weakling humans can't stand in the way of a perfect God.
God clearly said 'thou shall not kill except when fighting wars or terrerists, or your justice system issues a death penalty ruling'... Or something like that...

[NASpurs]

Oh I agree that religion shouldn't dictate policies. It's not often for the greater good, it's more for selfish reasons why things are the way they are. I'm Christian but I'm not a fan of organized religion capping minds and dictating lives which in essence, is not how it should be to me imo. But I know I'm in the minority in this way of thinking with all the bigots of the world.

I just don't think two wrongs make a right as well being grouped into the "illogical" and "irrational" group because I see the world different than the black and white that people with "logical" and "rational" reasoning see the world. I'm probably taking this personal though but I just want to say there's different types of Christians out their in the world than the Westboro Church types of the world.

Two things I really detest are organized religion and politics. There's a bunch of lying and self serving going on hidden behind a facade. Corruption is human nature I guess.

[AFBlue]

Oh I agree that religion shouldn't dictate policies. It's not often for the greater good, it's more for selfish reasons why things are the way they are. I'm Christian but I'm not a fan of organized religion capping minds and dictating lives which in essence, is not how it should be to me imo. But I know I'm in the minority in this way of thinking with all the bigots of the world.

I just don't think two wrongs make a right as well being grouped into the "illogical" and "irrational" group because I see the world different than the black and white that people with "logical" and "rational" reasoning see the world. I'm probably taking this personal though but I just want to say there's different types of Christians out their in the world than the Westboro Church types of the world.

Two things I really detest are organized religion and politics. There's a bunch of lying and self serving going on hidden behind a facade. Corruption is human nature I guess.

It's hard not to take it personally when the God you believe in is being heavily mocked and called a stupid asshole by multiple posters. But it does no good to be dragged into an emotionally charged debate with someone who isn't going to ever agree with you. Like you though, I do take exception to being called an idiot or irational because I have a different view.

[ElNono]

tbh, I've heavily mocked and called a stupid asshole the Flying Spaghetti Monster too. Not sure this will make you feel better, but I'm just throwing it out there...

[ElNono]

Oh, I also disagree that "logical" or "rational" people see the world black and white. Not sure where you got that from.