What I am saying is that I think his skill level stinks. He couldn't dominate a bunch of summer league players even with his athleticism advantage over most of them. I was surprised he did a lot better in the NBA season, but that's probably because he had better players around him and had more space to work. With a guy that athletic a little space is all you need to throw down a huge dunk.Wait, so you dislike him because he sucked in the summer league but excelled in the regular season?
What do you think of his skill level on both ends of the court? You seem to like him. How about telling me what he is good at, or is the highlight reel dunks and blocks the only things you've seen of him?
i prefer Kaman's post scoring to DeAndre's athleticism. Timmy is more of a pick and pop shooter nowadays meaning we really don't have that great of a post scorer outside of maybe dejuan.
DeAndre doesnt really have much of an offensive game outside of alley oops. his individual post D is pretty lacking as hes more of a weak side shot blocker.
don't get me wrong, i wouldnt be opposed to a RJ for DeAndre deal but i could easily see Pop playing Bon Bon over DeAndre cuz of Bon Bon's high BB IQ
DeAndre would probably be a lot better with a prime Tim Duncan, but ideally, right now we need someone, preferably a PF (I'm not being too picky, a center will do) with some sort of a post game, so I would always choose Kaman over DeAndre if I had a choice between the two.
That's the reason that I am interested in a move for Al Jefferson because Tim needs help with post scoring. He can't carry the whole load by himself down there anymore.
Aminu is also a pretty good prospect. great length and would instantly be the best perimeter defender on the team.
RJ/Blair for Kaman/Aminu would be an absolute steal assuming Kaman stays healthy.
Per espn.com Rumors:
According to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports, Butler "privately considers" the Bulls and Clippers as "his two most preferred destinations."
Added Wojnarowski: "Butler is most attracted to the Bulls because of the chance to play with Derrick Rose and compete for a le, but he would have to take significantly less money to play in Chicago. The Bulls have a stronger need for a shooting guard, and could ultimately spend their money there."
K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune added this via Twitter: "Butler has been working out in Chicago. Source close to him said he said this AM, 'I hope I don't have to leave.'"
Such a quote would seem to have the Bulls atop Butler's list right now.
Butler isn't quite a true shooting guard, which is Chicago's biggest need at the moment. But if the Bulls feel he's their best option out of the free agent crop when the dust settles (and he's willing to take less money than other teams would potentially offer him), it's possible they'd sign him to play opposite Rose in the backcourt.
Well, I only consider Biedrins as a likely trade candidate. I don't see the other options evoked in this thread as realistic ones.
Butler hasn't played a full season since like.... ever. Same goes for Josh Howard also.
Ugh why does RJ have to be such a ing pussy.
And Bruno, what are the good aspects of Biedrins?
I'm not pleased with the clear implications that the Spurs are looking at these injured over-30 vets at SF.
Not because it seems to signal the end of RJ. , I love that. The end of RJ in a Spurs uniform would be a day of celebration. RJ is part of the 'Axis of Guaranteed Playoff Failure' along with Matt Bonner and the refusal to put the best players on the court.
But that's not my issue.
I wrote this back in May. And even though it named Battier, it applies even more to Butler and Josh Howard. (Battier is supposed to be a lock for Miami, or at least the media hasn't reported him visiting with San Antonio).
The Spurs should have on their roster this year their answers to the SF problem: Leonard and James Anderson, with Ginobili filling in when they go small with Parker-Neal-Manu, and the other scrubs like D. Butler or Danny Green to play in case of injury.Pursuing Battier I would argue is misguided. Setting aside whether the Spurs could get him (can they afford to spend the money, would he settle to sign with a worse team, etc), there is this issue: he is in decline. He would be better than RJ, but that's not the point.
Furthermore, wanting Battier is just another example of the mindset that led the Spurs to FAIL with Jefferson. The desire for a proven veteran already in decline while simultaneously believing that no 2nd rounder or unproven young player could possibly do the job.
The Spurs should not be looking to add the next Shane Batter; they should be looking to add the next Sam Young.
They are who the Spurs should play. I want the hunger of youth, the athleticism of youth, , the defense of youth compared to Caron and Howard. Leonard's rep is legit, and James Anderson showed in his brief time that he had the tools to be a very capable on ball defender for his position.
All Caron or Howard would be is the opposite of what the Spurs have needed to do for years now. The Spurs need to gamble on youth. Remember when they did that in 03? And Pop early in the year looking exasperated as they made mistakes, and commented to the media about them making 'young type mistakes'? It was worth it. Going young then was light years better than sticking with the likes of Steve Smith or Terry Porter or bringing in any other broken player of that era. Those were the days when Pop still took chances, and wasn't afraid of not "being fair to the team" or how the playoffs "weren't for (young player who showed up when the series was all but over)."
Caron and Howard now . . . would just soak up minutes, struggle with being ineffective at their new offensive roles, and due to their serious injuries, not be able to defend. They will both be 32 by the playoffs next year. Caron blew his patellar tendon. Howard has been even worse, missing 60% of the last two years after his ACL explosion. Think these old guys with bum knees will be the Centerpiece on defense?
At least with Caron, I can understand it a little. He was scoring for the Mavs last year. But . . . the Spurs problem hasn't been scoring. It's been their awful defense. Sure, the loss of George Hill might hurt the scoring, but giving Caron post-ups time and again isn't what will help the Spurs, and that's if he's the same after his kneecap did the Dougie. But Howard has performed at sub-Jeffersonian levels in Washington. What could he have to offer? If it's what he offered last year, no thanks on any level, especially not with the options the Spurs have already on the roster.
Back to Battier. He doesn't have these kinds of injury concerns and is used to being a role player and defender. Great. But he's headed the wrong way. He's not the great role player he used to be, he's a declining roleplayer. People will be fooled if he goes to Miami and they win the le and point their fingers, yelling "See! Battier was the difference!" But that team made it to the finals with busted role players like Miller and Haslem and still went 6 games despite massive choking. Battier can be a declining player on that team and help because they don't need him to be anything beyond a declining smart roleplayer. The Spurs are much farther away from a le and need a lot more.
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Word is GSW (re)shopping Biedrins in hopes they find trade taker to free up more cash for pursuit of T-Chandler. In long-shot hopes, that
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Updating one more story from earlier: Bulls linked with lots of 2s/3s but I'm told they'd be quite eager to have a crack at Vince Carter
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
But as @KCJHoop reports, Bulls' wish list alsoincludes J-Rich, Caron Butler, RFA Nick Young, Josh Howard & Jamal Crawford. Interesting names
Last edited by ace3g; 12-05-2011 at 01:41 AM.
Biedrins being shopped.. RJ probably being shopped.. And it seems some of you here think this is a good match, let's wait and see what happens.
I'm excited at the possibility of us making a deal, I'm looking forward to see what happens and hopefully this whole RJ deal is finally over and we can ship his ass out and get a new big and a new starting SF. That could give us another serious shot at a le if the team can gel, with RJ we simply have no shot.
Hopefully the Bulls take Carter, because he is done. It would not make them a better team.
And I like the possibility of getting Biedrins for RJ ... does this trade work salary wise?
yes, but it doesn't save the warriors any money.
Well, then the trade does not make sense, because they want to save money for a better bigman ... hmmm
I like how people here think that every team in this league sees RJ as a detriment. It just isn't true, sure his performance the last two years hasn't been great, but he's hardly even a scoring option on the Spurs, he doesn't have a pass first guard in TP like he did in Jason Kidd.
RJ can thrive in the right system, because he's still athletic, he has the 3pt shot.
Agree. They should shop RJ to dump him/get a big man. But I agree the SF rotation should just be Anderson/Leonard. And if one gets hurt, trot out Danny Green, who I thought played pretty well last season. That should be the end of that position.
Find help for Tim inside, get a serviceable backup PG, and off we go.
He's just not worth $9m/season. For $2m, he can stay and keep the bench warm...
Butler to Chicago means only one thing: BOGANS WILL BE FREE, BABY!
THE CENTERPIECE!!!
The only way the Biedrins thing makes any sense to me is if the Spurs are "facilitating" a Monta Ellis trade by getting involved. The Dubs don't desperately need a SF, and RJ actually has a higher salary(though for one less year I believe) than Biedrins. I could see Utah as the team taking on both RJ and Monta, but really couldn't begin to tell you what other pieces would be involved.
Edit: maybe this makes sense.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=89ucmm9
Last edited by TimmehC; 12-05-2011 at 10:40 AM.
Even you take your stance on Rj the trading partners seem to be limited. Not much changes because the criteria eliminates virtually everyone.
Let's not forget the point of giving Dice a 3rd year, only 2mil guaranteed contract. They can trade the 5 mil contract to a team whose sole wish is to buy him out at 2 mil, THEN dice retires. So bundle this 5mil contract with RJ, now the pot might look a little sweeter.
If that fails then maybe it's time to restructure RJ's contract and give him a little bit more money, haha!
If the main reason for GS to trade Biedrins is to save $ then a trade for RJ makes little sense since RJ's contract is worth more..There are alot of other options but a straight swap of the two players makes no sense for GS.
If Dice were to retire. We could throw him in the RJ Biendris swap. Then they waive him and clear cap space. This is actually great for us because we clear space as well. Yet this is purely hypothetical. But if we know we are loosing Dice its not a bad deal. Works on Espn trade checker because Warriors are far enough under cap to absorb the extra money of Dice's contract.
If RJ and Biedrins contract are the same why would GSW want mcdyess's contract if there main goal is to save $?
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