Believe 2012 - The Last Stand

[spursfaninla]

I see no reason to believe this is a "last stand". I think Tim can play at a very high level for at least another year or to. Think about Kareem and The Mailman who played at a high level all the way through their 30's.

Tony JUST turned 30 and likely has a couple years before he begins to show any noticeable signs of age. Manu's role will likely diminish with each passing year, but he'll still be a big asset for a couple more years.

I don't think we'll see a huge drop off over the next year or two in the performance of the big-3. To whatever small degree that trio does decline next year & the year after, the Spurs will need commensurate improvement from their younger talent, which is not an unreasonable expectation.

Agreed. I am hopeful that any drop-off by TD and Manu will be made up by the increasing productivity and role by Splitter, Leonard, Diaw, and to a lesser extent, Green. TP has at least 3 near-peak years left. This team, if healthy, is good enough to go deep into the playoffs for another 2 years, assuming TD sticks around that long.

[Kent_in_Atlanta]

Agreed. I am hopeful that any drop-off by TD and Manu will be made up by the increasing productivity and role by Splitter, Leonard, Diaw, and to a lesser extent, Green. TP has at least 3 near-peak years left. This team, if healthy, is good enough to go deep into the playoffs for another 2 years, assuming TD sticks around that long.

Yeah, TD's not going anywhere. They can make another le run next year and maybe 2014 if things fall into place. After that, it's rebuilding time.

OH, and I forgot to mention... The Spurs are going to have a little room and some $ to spend over the next couple years, especially after next year. They could very well add talent via free agency over the next year or two.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Believe!

[CitizenDwayne]

Let's do this . 8 more wins.

Your sig is terrifying.

[Mel_13]

"But we've all found a home here in San Antonio," Duncan said, "and we all love it here."

They've stayed for one simple reason: "It works," Duncan said. "There's no two ways about it. If something doesn't work, you break it up and you do something else. We've all accepted our roles, we've evolved over the years and we've all been happy with it because we believe."

They believe because Popovich and general manager R.C. Buford have given them reason to believe. As the league changed, Popovich adapted. The Spurs don't defend the way they did when they won four championships, but they score better. Buford gave Popovich a roster to fit, surrounding the Spurs' Big Three with young legs and sure shots. Gary Neal and Tiago Splitter arrived from Europe last season, and there they were Sunday, helping start the comeback in the fourth quarter.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--ti...seTbJ6DqC8vLYF

[BackHome]

Very good article and I love the fact that Timmy says he has maybe two more years and that he ain't leaving SA.

I can see how his new contract will go done...Pop and RC bring him into the office they say "Ok...how much do you want Timmy? Please understand this is our payroll these are the players we also need to re-sign so tell us what you want". Timmy tells them and then signs deal....

[timvp]

Believe.

[slick'81]

Believe.

god dammit why not we still got a half

[Keepin' it real]

Ahem...

For those who are saying "Believe," please be aware that this is really what you're saying:

I BELIEVE in Matt Bonner.

Do any of you care to amend your "Believe" statement or offer evidence as to why you suddenly believe in the greatest playoff choker of our generation?

[rascal]

Bump

Last stand 2012 did not produce a le.

[benefactor]

You are easily the biggest got on this forum.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

[timvp]

Bump

Last stand 2012 did not produce a le.

Thanks, genius. Not sure where we'd be without you.

[Solid D]

Bump

Last stand 2012 did not produce a le.

I know you. You're that "Goes-up-to-losing-team-cheerleaders-after-game-and-tells-them-'you-didn't-make-a-difference'" guy.

[rascal]

Thanks, genius. Not sure where we'd be without you.

You said last year was the last stand with the core team now you back pedal and want the spurs to come back with the same team minus a role player or two.



If last year was the last stand then you should want some major changes going forward into next year or your last stand post did not hold if the Spurs did not win a le.

[timvp]

You said last year was the last stand with the core team now you back pedal and want the spurs to come back with the same team minus a role player or two.

I said last year was their last legitimate chance to win a championship. I never said that last year was the last time these Spurs should play together or that the team should be blown up if they don't win a championship.

Going into next year, the Spurs need a minor miracle to win a championship. That's been my stand all along and why I thought 2012 was so important. Their chances of winning it all probably peaked at about 35-40% last year. Right now, the chances are down to 1-3%. So as far as legit championship chances, last year was the last stand, unfortunately.

If last year was the last stand then you should want some major changes going forward into next year or your last stand post did not hold if the Spurs did not win a le.

There's no major changes that can be made that will give the Spurs a better chance at winning a championship next season. If there were, that's what I'd want. But the only chance to win a championship next year is to follow the same course and hope.

That same course also gives the Spurs a chance to rebuild without any toxic contracts on the books when the time comes in a year or two or three. Thus, it makes no sense to deviate from a course that gives you the best chances to win now and win at some point in the future.

[Mel_13]

I am a loser with women and with making money.
Other areas I am all right. I am not a bad looking guy and am athletic so it wasn't like I was some strange nerd who was only into books.

I never had any dates in high school or even college. Just didn't feel like I had anything to offer or that a girl would even be interested. I didn't even touch a girl until I was 28, didn't have a relationship until 38 and married a woman I was not even attracted to at 48 (because I thought I would never get married with my track record). I really feel sorry for my wife.


I thought getting a college degree in engineering would help me land a good paying job, it never did. I am working a low paying job similar to what I worked before I got the degree. UTSA in San Antonio does not have a good engineering program at least when I went to school there. I came out ill prepared to do well in the field.

I lifted weights for over 30 years and I would say that it didn't help much with getting girls interested or building confidence. I could never get the girls I was really attracted to(blue eyed brunettes), they never seemed to be available and the one girl that I thought I had a shot at in college I just would get really nervous the times I tried to talk to her so I felt I had no shot in with her and never even tried asking her on a date. This I regret because I never met another girl the way I felt for this particular girl.

So I am saying to the young readers out there if there is a girl you want go for it because the ship may sail away and you will be left with a life of regret.

This thread is also for all the losers to say you are not alone, there are other people who have experiences like you. Don't be afraid to stand up and call yourself a loser, don't care what others think, and try to make the necessary changes and I hope you have better luck than I did.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...64&postcount=1

[Budkin]

Why keep re-opening the wound?

[benefactor]

rascal's loser life story.

It gets better. From a women's soccer thread...talking to Manny...

I wished I lived near you I would wipe the floor with you.

He obviously takes women's soccer much more seriously than he takes the Spurs.

[rascal]

I don't think you two kiss asses need to back up timvp. He can take care of himself.

[Mel_13]

[rascal]

I am a loser in life. I failed my driving test 3 times, twice in the same day. Got nervous driving with the cop, pulled out fast in front of a truck, another time knocked down the flag parrallel parking. I have failed just about everything in life before I get it.

And definitely a loser with women.

Just giving you more ammo. Save this and pull it up later. I don't know anyone here at this site so it doesn't even matter.

[benefactor]

I don't think you two kiss asses need to back up timvp. He can take care of himself.

It's not about backing up anyone...it's about you being a humongous got...which you readily admit to.

[rascal]

It's not about backing up anyone...it's about you being a humongous got...which you readily admit to.

got no, loser yes. Get it right.

[Keepin' it real]

It's not about backing up anyone...it's about you being a humongous got...which you readily admit to.

You use that word a lot. You must be very ignorant. I feel sorry for you.