What REALLY happened in Benghazi

**DMC** · 10-21-2012

You know who else never served? Most of the warmongers who send our troops off to risk their lives, tbh...

Are you implying that being pro-peace is a bad thing?

There is peace in solitary confinement, and that can be a bad thing. 7 billion people including hundreds of government systems are not going to ever agree, and some cultures take disagreement to mean one of you must die. If you want to be that person to die, you will find all the peace you can stand. Personally, I prefer to live so that means the other asshole has to die in many cases. Fortunately for most Americans there are others to do the killing and dying for you so that you can sit around and wax philosophical about the rigors of war and the injustices of the powerful.

**boutons_deux** · 10-21-2012

serial adulterer Noot Gingrich LYING, which is ALL THE REPUGS have. Watch the SPEW LIES, old and new, until the electon.

Gingrich Rewrites History, Claims Romney Acted Like Reagan After The Libya Attacks

?But Gingrich is re-writing history in both counts. Romney’s early statement criticizing the U.S. embassy in Cairo and the Obama administration for failing to condemn violence and “apologizing” for America was premature and misunderstood the basic sequence of events. The embassy issued its initial remarks in an effort to calm protesters and before witnessing any violence. It later retracted its statement and Obama administration officials repeatedly condemned the attackers.

Unlike Romney, Reagan did not accuse then-president Jimmy Carter of sympathizing with terrorists. Instead, during the Iranian hostage crisis, he called for national unity. “This is a difficult day for all of us Americans. … It is time for us…to stand united. It is a day for quiet reflection…when words should be few and confined essentially to our prayers,” he said. And while Reagan did criticize Carter’s foreign policy throughout the campaign, “he refrained from attacking the Iran issue during his debate with the president once he sealed the nomination.”

http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...libya-attacks/

Another proof that St Ronnie the Diseased is way to the left of the today's Repug extremist assholes.

**FuzzyLumpkins** · 10-21-2012

Originally Posted by Edward

Yet I'm willing to bet my left testicle you voted for Bush in 2004.

The blood of every soldier who died after 2004 is on your hands. Congratulations.

Bush gave him yet another tax break and kept his en lements. He doesn't care, he got his and with him that's all that really matters.

**boutons_deux** · 10-22-2012

After Benghazi Attack, Talk Lagged Behind Intelligence

Ms. Rice, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, has said that the judgments she offered on the five talk shows on Sept. 16 came from talking points prepared by the C.I.A., which reckoned that the attack that killed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans had resulted from a spontaneous mob that was angry about an anti-Islamic video that had set off protests elsewhere. That assessment, described to Ms. Rice in briefings the day before her television appearances, was based on intercepted communications, informants' tips and Libyan press reports, officials said.

Later that Sunday, though, American intelligence analysts were already sifting through new field reports that seemed to contradict the initial assessment. It would be several days, however, before the intelligence agencies changed their formal assessment based on those new reports, and informed administration officials about the change. Intelligence officials say such a lag is typical of the ever-changing process of piecing together shards of information into a coherent picture fit for officials' public statements.

Gov. Mitt Romney and Congressional Republicans have sharply criticized Ms. Rice's comments and the administration's shifting public positions on the cause of the attack, criticisms that Mr. Romney will probably reprise in the final presidential debate on Monday night.

On Sunday, Congressional Republicans cited the administration's response to the attack as symptomatic of larger leadership failings. "This is going to be a case study, studied for years, of a breakdown of national security at every level, failed presidential leadership - senior members of the Obama administration failed miserably," Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said on "Fox News Sunday."

The gap between the talking points prepared for Ms. Rice and the contemporaneous field reports that seemed to paint a much different picture illustrates how the process of turning raw field reports, which officials say need to be vetted and assessed, into polished intelligence assessments can take days, long enough to make them outdated by the time senior American officials utter them.

Intelligence officials, alarmed that their work has been turned into a political football, defend their approach, noting that senior administration officials receive daily briefings that reflect the consensus of the nation's array of intelligence agencies, but can also dip into the fast-moving stream of field reports, with the caveat that that information is incomplete and may be flat wrong.

"A demand for an explanation that is quick, definite and unchanging reflects a naïve expectation - or in the present case, irresponsible politicking," James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, said at an intelligence symposium on Oct. 9.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/10/22...utiny.xml?f=19

The Dems gave the Repugs a pass on ing up and allowing 9/11, but the Repugs think fabricating outrage about Benghazi will get their 0.1%er into the WH.

**Clipper Nation** · 10-22-2012

Originally Posted by DMC

There is peace in solitary confinement, and that can be a bad thing.

False dilemma, tbh.... ending our ridiculous warmongering does not rule out the free trade and honest friendship among nations that our Founders intended..... nor does it prevent actual diplomacy, or less intrusive measures such as letters of marque and reprisal..... imho, since war is so deadly and expensive, it should ONLY be a last resort after all other options have been exhausted, with a just cause (i.e. not a pre-emptive war of aggression), and a full cons utional declaration....

Fortunately for most Americans there are others to do the killing and dying for you so that you can sit around and wax philosophical about the rigors of war and the injustices of the powerful.

Mainly because the draft was such an epic failure.... hmmm, I wonder why...

**CosmicCowboy** · 10-24-2012

And the truth comes out...they knew that night.

The emails to state, pentagon, FBI, and the white house

Don't read the spin. Read the actual e-mails

http://cnsnews.com/sites/default/fil...ENT-EMAILS.pdf

**TeyshaBlue** · 10-24-2012

To be fair, there probably quite a few emails flying around after that event. I'm not going to ding anyone for not latching on to an email chain and following it to ground while the situation continues to develop. The facebook/twitter activity was within 2 hours of the event.

**CosmicCowboy** · 10-24-2012

Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

To be fair, there probably quite a few emails flying around after that event. I'm not going to ding anyone for not latching on to an email chain and following it to ground while the situation continues to develop. The facebook/twitter activity was within 2 hours of the event.

I seriously can cut them slack for 48-72 hours but the traditional standard line is "no comment until we have time to get the facts". You don't immediately come out with a scenario, claim that all currently known facts lead to that scenario, and continue to doggedly assert that scenario for two weeks against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It was very poorly played (an understatement) and even if it wasn't deliberate political spin the best you could say is that it was gross incompetence.

**Agloco** · 10-24-2012

Someone knew something. These are things we know.

Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Maybe we could cut a deal with the Russians and the Chinese to use neutron bombs to wipe them all out and then split the booty three ways. Sounds like a win, win, win.

Neutron Bombs?

**George Gervin's Afro** · 10-24-2012

Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

And the truth comes out...they knew that night.

The emails to state, pentagon, FBI, and the white house

Don't read the spin. Read the actual e-mails

http://cnsnews.com/sites/default/fil...ENT-EMAILS.pdf

So if I am correct the govt is still not sure if this group was involved

**Nbadan** · 10-24-2012

Fake emails....That Truetype font did not exist at the white house at that time...Just heard it on Drudge...

**ElNono** · 10-24-2012

3 emails?

Yeah, that paints a complete picture. I know, I know... "connect the dots"

**Agloco** · 10-24-2012

Originally Posted by ElNono

3 emails?

Yeah, that paints a complete picture. I know, I know... "connect the dots"

With the final one pointing to a FB/Twitter post claiming responsibility at that. shrug.

**ElNono** · 10-25-2012

Originally Posted by Agloco

With the final one pointing to a FB/Twitter post claiming responsibility at that. shrug.

I don't particularly find FB/Twitter credible, personally (don't discard the group was behind the attack though). Claiming attacks like this one are not that rare, and are a good recruiting tool for groups like that.

**boutons_deux** · 10-25-2012

Gecko's entire "foreign policy" agenda is hiding his felony tax evasion and fabricating outrage about Barry's Benghazi "cover up".

**Agloco** · 10-25-2012

Doubts surface over e-mail on claim of responsibility for Benghazi attack

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/1...ack/?hpt=hp_t3

The often fiercely political debate over who knew what - and when - about the September 11 assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi has taken another turn with the disclosure of a series of e-mails sent from the State Department on the night of the attack.

But the most explosive of the e-mails - which were released late Tuesday - may have been inaccurate, a "spot report" on a rapidly evolving and highly confusing situation.

The disclosure of the e-mail has given new life to the already fevered debate over when the Obama administration learned that the attack was more than a protest that turned deadly but was the work of terrorists.

The e-mail carried the subject line: "Update 2: Ansar al Sharia Claims Responsibility For Benghazi Attack." The message said: "Embassy Tripoli reports the group has claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli."

That message was sent to a wide range of federal offices, including the FBI, from the State Department at 6:07 p.m. ET on September 11 - seven minutes into September 12 in Libya. At that time, the attack on the consulate was ongoing, and the subsequent assault on the annex building, in which two more Americans would be killed, had not begun........

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**Agloco** · 10-25-2012

Originally Posted by ElNono

I don't particularly find FB/Twitter credible, personally (don't discard the group was behind the attack though). Claiming attacks like this one are not that rare, and are a good recruiting tool for groups like that.

Absolutely. But board conservatives would have you believe that the players and motives were crystal clear from the get go.

**TeyshaBlue** · 10-25-2012

Originally Posted by Agloco

Absolutely. But board conservatives would have you believe that the players and motives were crystal clear from the get go.

Not really.

**boutons_deux** · 10-25-2012

Gecko/Fox thinking they got Ms of votes out of fabricating outrage, distraction, conspiracy about Benghazi, really nailing Barry hard, but Gallup shows that voters put foreign affairs about 4th or 5th on their list of concerns. iow, no concern at all affecting their voting.