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[TheSanityAnnex]

I hope this doesn't jeopardize my status in the fan club Fuzzy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh so now you decide to actually read it, what a superb idea. None of the other exceptions have the potential to cause harm like a stolen handgun does, that is why I have no issue with them.

You've made a fool out of yourself here, you should have known as much when your semen shield was viewing the thread every day and failed to respond in your defense. I saw you Pusher.

I leave you with this, my newly acquired "not a felony if stolen" Sig P238.

It's not a felony for theft but if someone steals it and gets caught, it is still a felony under CA gun laws. It's a nuance that is lost to you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I hope this doesn't jeopardize my status in the fan club Fuzzy.

Nah your meltdown earlier cements your status.

[vy65]

Fuzzy, you do realize that the law eliminates all those other "exceptions" you mention (although you're probably pulling these "exceptions" out of your ass too). That's what the word "notwithstanding" means.

Crofl the murder weapon was a Panasonic flatscreen

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, you do realize that the law eliminates all those other "exceptions" you mention (although you're probably pulling this out of your ass too). That's what the word "notwithstanding" means.

Crofl the murder weapon was a Panasonic flatscreen

It won't be grandtheft notwithstanding. It does not mention CA gun statutes at all and having a stolen gun is still a felony from that even if it not grand theft.

[vy65]

It's not a felony for theft but if someone steals it and gets caught, it is still a felony under CA gun laws. It's a nuance that is lost to you.

Crofl, no it's not a felony. That's the whole point. How are you not getting this?

[vy65]

If the gun is stolen and its under 950 -- like that sig -- it's not a felony now. How are you not getting this?

[vy65]

It won't be grandtheft notwithstanding. It does not mention CA gun statutes at all and having a stolen gun is still a felony from that even if it not grand theft.

Give me the cite to those other gun statutes

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's not a felony for theft but if someone steals it and gets caught, it is still a felony under CA gun laws.

Tripling down on stupid

[vy65]

not·with·stand·ing
ˌnätwiTHˈstandiNG,ˌnätwiT͟HˈstandiNG/
preposition
1.
in spite of.
"notwithstanding the evidence, the consensus is that the jury will not reach a verdict"
synonyms: despite, in spite of, regardless of, for all
"notwithstanding his workload, he is a dedicated father"

Crofl trying to lecture me about statutory interpretation
Crofl other gun laws
Crofl mdest

[FuzzyLumpkins]

not·with·stand·ing
ˌnätwiTHˈstandiNG,ˌnätwiT͟HˈstandiNG/
preposition
1.
in spite of.
"notwithstanding the evidence, the consensus is that the jury will not reach a verdict"
synonyms: despite, in spite of, regardless of, for all
"notwithstanding his workload, he is a dedicated father"

Crofl trying to lecture me about statutory interpretation
Crofl other gun laws
Crofl mdest

It was speaking in respects to the grand vs petty theft distinction. So you can wave your hands at the language used for the removal of the wobble all you like. It is amusing that back when were arguing about things one could do with a gun you understood that possessing a stolen gun was in and of itself a crime independent to the type of theft.

[TheSanityAnnex]

One of the best foot in mouth threads I've read in quite some time. Thanks for the laughs Fuzzy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

One of the best foot in mouth threads I've read in quite some time. Thanks for the laughs Fuzzy.

I made a mistake regarding a point of law. your compatriot was the one to make the mistake.

I still hold that guns should not hold special status in theft laws and I have yet to see a justification that would not also trap those that do not have the intentions that you decry much less any statistical substantiation for said justification. It still remains that possession of a stolen gun is a different crime independent of theft.

I got bored and went to sleep. You guys were writing frantic emoticon filled responses in your desperation to score points. I don't value things the same. I already know your capacity and it is lacking so I don't need to look desperate trying to score any point I can.

[TheSanityAnnex]

lol still trying to score points
lol critical thinking
lol reading comprehension

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol still trying to score points
lol critical thinking
lol reading comprehension

I just admitted that I made a mistake as to a point of law. You are acting like you won the super bowl with your spam levels.

You still are unable to argue the points. Proposition 47 passed overwhelmingly. Please point me to the specific cases where someone actually stole a gun and under the new law would not be subject to some felony count if not the one you want to keep.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I just admitted that I made a mistake as to a point of law. You are acting like you won the super bowl with your spam levels.

You still are unable to argue the points. Proposition 47 passed overwhelmingly. Please point me to the specific cases where someone actually stole a gun and under the new law would not be subject to some felony count if not the one you want to keep.

What part of this do you not understand?

SEC. 8. Section 490.2 is added to the Penal Code, to read:
490.2. (a) Notwithstanding Section 487 or any other provision of law defining grand theft, obtaining any property by theft where the value of the money, labor, real or personal property taken does not exceed nine hundred fifty dollars ($950) shall be considered petty theft and shall be punished as a misdemeanor

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What part of this do you not understand?

SEC. 8. Section 490.2 is added to the Penal Code, to read:
490.2. (a) Notwithstanding Section 487 or any other provision of law defining grand theft, obtaining any property by theft where the value of the money, labor, real or personal property taken does not exceed nine hundred fifty dollars ($950) shall be considered petty theft and shall be punished as a misdemeanor

What part of 'there are other felonies than grand theft' is difficult to understand? Parrot vy some more though and demonstrate your inability to think for yourself further.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What part of 'there are other felonies than grand theft' is difficult to understand? Parrot vy some more though and demonstrate your inability to think for yourself further.

Parroting? neither of you knew about that section of the Penal Code until I brought it up. You've been arguing the past few days on a proposition you hadn't even read nor understood in your typical try-hard psuedo intellectual fashion. You've constantly told others they lack critical thinking skills and reading comprehension yet that is all you have exhibited in this thread. Your ego has gotten the best of you and your intelligence is definitely not on par with what you think it projects. You are basically a fool.

You still don't understand it prop 47 even after it has all been laid out for you and explained. You were even provided the section that was added to the Penal Code from prop 47 and you still don't get it that

In what scenario would a person caught stealing a sub $950 firearm receive a felony?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If the gun is stolen and its under 950 -- like that sig -- it's not a felony now. How are you not getting this?

Parroting? neither of you knew about that section of the Penal Code until I brought it up. You've been arguing the past few days on a proposition you hadn't even read nor understood in your typical try-hard psuedo intellectual fashion. You've constantly told others they lack critical thinking skills and reading comprehension yet that is all you have exhibited in this thread. Your ego has gotten the best of you and your intelligence is definitely not on par with what you think it projects. You are basically a fool.

You still don't understand it prop 47 even after it has all been laid out for you and explained. You were even provided the section that was added to the Penal Code from prop 47 and you still don't get it that

In what scenario would a person caught stealing a sub $950 firearm receive a felony?

Yeah parroting. Possession of an illegal gun is a felony in CA as well as other felonies in the anti-gang and concealed carry statute. Read your voters guide.

Measure passed by near 20 points and I don't really give much of a . I just find it amusing that your gun blogs can only come up with hypotheticals for gun thieves and their cases who are going to 'abuse' this law. They have been releasing former felons all week.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah parroting. Possession of an illegal gun is a felony in CA as well as other felonies in the anti-gang and concealed carry statute. Read your voters guide.

Measure passed by near 20 points and I don't really give much of a . I just find it amusing that your gun blogs can only come up with hypotheticals for gun thieves and their cases who are going to 'abuse' this law. They have been releasing former felons all week.

You still don't get it. My work here is done.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You still don't get it. My work here is done.

If you steal a .45 and get caught with it you can be charged with all of the following crimes:

1) Misdemeanor - petty theft
2) Misdemeanor - receiving stolen property
3) Possession of illegal firearm - felony
4) Carry concealed firearm without a license - felony

Just because you are too stupid to realize that there are more crimes than just theft doesn't speak to anything. Breaking and entering as well as burglary are still felonies too but those don't apply if the victim is an idiot.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If you steal a .45 and get caught with it you can be charged with all of the following crimes:

1) Misdemeanor - petty theft
2) Misdemeanor - receiving stolen property
3) Possession of illegal firearm - felony
4) Carry concealed firearm without a license - felony

Just because you are too stupid to realize that there are more crimes than just theft doesn't speak to anything. Breaking and entering as well as burglary are still felonies too but those don't apply if the victim is an idiot.

Nope, still doesn't get it. Smh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nope, still doesn't get it. Smh.

Notwithstanding Section 487 or any other provision of law defining grand theft

sigh I will hand hold you through the critical thinking.

Do gun laws define grand theft?

[vy65]

"Shall be punished as a misdemeanor"

Fuzzy, nullifying the statute with his critical thinking skills per the par

[vy65]

Wtf are "gun laws?"