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blair can't rebound over real bigs. the only chance he has is boxing out or getting away with a push off.
It is true.. & false! haha
He is a good offensive rebounder and sat in the league's top 20 for his first 2 seasons, but defensively he sucks. He can't box out properly and that is an area we need some extra strength!
I think a LOT of people on here are overly harsh on Blair. He has good hands and can make a few shots that most bigs don't have, like floaters and fast layups. I can see value for many teams to pick him up and use him for just his strengths, but for the Spurs, he is not what we need!
blair can't rebound over real bigs. the only chance he has is boxing out or getting away with a push off.
he pushes off waaaay too much
Do you guys realize that there's a reason that Blair has value even though he isn't in our rotation?
Relative to TD, Splitter and Diaw Blair isn't very good. But they aren't the only bigs in the NBA, and Blair being a net negative in +/- models doesn't mean he has no value. Replacement level guys are normally thought of as ~-3.5 per 100 possessions, and Blair being a -1 means he has a bunch of value.
e.g., from http://talkingpracticeblog.com/2013/...e-ipv-ratings/
182 - DeJuan Blair -0.82
Being the 182nd best player in the league(An approximate value in reality, so many guys close in value and standard dev not reported) means he's good, and probably worth well more than his salary. A perfectly reasonable point to make in the Blair trade is that he's not as good as our other bigs, but can help another team.
With the All-Star crap out if the way, #45 shall be traded by noon. Hopefully.
Ray Allen spent 96-07 as the primary scorer on teams missing the playoffs 7 out of 11 years and only shot over 40% from distance in 4 of those 11 seasons. He averaged around 22pts on 18 FGA per game. Not to take anything away from him, he's had a solid career and is one of his generation's premier shooters, but let's not pretend he's a first ballot HOF or something. There are plenty of young guys in the league with upside and breakout potential given the right cir stances, but who wants to spend the first 11 years of your career playing for nothing but personal accolades?
trade blair....it's just so disgusting to see him even if he is only sitting on the bench...duh!
this.
i got eaten alive for comparing green to allen. imo green is all the defender allen is, and almost all the 3 shooter. of course allen was beastin' at the age green is now. they have two completely different paths. allen was drafted to be a star. green is a spurs gem.
if green is showcased, and he would be if he's in a josh smith deal. he'll wind up looking a lot like allen, minus the playmaking ability. is that really so much more different than iggy minus the dunks?
Are you guys really comparing Ray Allen to Danny Green? They are good three point shooters and play SG, that's pretty much where the comparison ends. Ray used to be able to get to the rim a lot too, it's not like he was just a spot up three point shooter, while DG routinely fumbles the ball away and bricks wide open layups.
Come on guys. Ray Allen is a 10-time All Star and a lock for the HOF. Danny Green is a decent role player on a decent contract.
Danny Green to Ray Allen?? Yeesh..
danny can do that same ugly stuff neal does inside the 3 point line. tbh i'd rather have danny pullin that stuff, than neal. at least danny can play defense. that's got allen written all over it.
but i already conceded to the iggy comparison. the pre-defeated poster in me just had to agree with splitman.
You guys have to be kidding me to compare Danny Green with Ray Allen.
It's ok to be a homer sometimes, but this comparison is beyond ridiculous.
Ray Allen is the definition of how a SG has to play. He is a HOF.
One of the best of all-time playing off the ball and one of the best shooters of all-time. Please, re-watch the Spurs x Sonics series to see what Ray Allen can do. And that wasn't even the best year of Allen.
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HAHA yes thank you everyone.
Oh wow
Danny Green ing dreams of having the ball skills and scoring ability of Ray Allen. That Sonics team that he led was pretty good. At no point in his career did he average 22 points on 18 FGA per game. You know who did? Gary Payton. I don't know if he's a hall of famer or not (basketballreference says he is), but Danny green has zero ing chance to be Ray Allen. If he can actually show up in a postseason and hit his shots he has a chance to be Jaren Jackson.
When Ray went to Boston and his job was to be a defender, he quickly became one of the better defenders in the league. He was light years above the abortions the Spurs were putting out on the floor in that position until Kawhi Leonard came along, and that includes Danny Green.
...was a lunatic post.
Not nearly as much as you deserve.
On Green's best day, he's slightly better than Ray was when Ray didn't give a about defense. Ray Allen in a Celtic jersey is no contest.
Percentage wise, Danny Green had one season that was comparable to Ray's. Danny and Ray both shot 234 threes last year. Ray hit four more than Danny did. Ray was 36 years old and firmly into the role-player phase of his career. That was the first time Danny Green shot over 22 threes in a season. When Danny Green shoots 650 threes in a season and hits 41% of them, then maybe we can start to have a conversation about his upside.
Minus the playmaking ability, minus the ability to dribble, minus the ability to score in anything other than a catch-and-shoot situation. One could argue that the Spurs have been showcasing Danny Green since he arrived by hiding his flaws and turning him into a decent role player. He's still the third or fourth best shooting guard on the team.
If you suggested Iguodala without the athletic ability, you'd probably be laughed at because of the assists. Green isn't likely to average 6 assists in his career, though it's much more likely than his becoming Ray Allen.
What a hilarious turn this thread has taken.
While Green is shooting at a higher percentage from three than Allen has averaged over his career and Allen is best remembered for this three-point shooting, I don't think it makes sense to compare Allen and Green. Allen was a "star" in terms of his impact. Allen's had some mammoth years in terms of win shares, and the 4.3 difference in PER may seem small, but it's really not when looking at a career as long as Allen's.
Subjectively, Green isn't as good of a shooter as Allen is, not even from three. Prior to this season, Allen's attempts were generally harder than Green's attempts, pull-ups instead of spot-ups. Green is good in the Spurs' offense at shooting from a lot of different places along the three-point line, but he's not very good if his feet aren't set when he catches the pass. Credit the Spurs' system for making those numbers look close. We don't even have to go over why Allen is better inside the arch. So if Green gets better as shooting in more situations (like Neal is) and learns to finish better, then he could be closer to Allen, but really, he'll never have the same physical skills needed to be that good of a shooter. There's no shame in that, though; very few players in league history have/had Allen's gifts.
But Danny Green can still make being Danny Green something that players of the next generation work for. Green should be able to match Allen's DWS/season stats. (In fact, if you only count the last two seasons, he's already ahead of Allen there.) Green makes too many mistakes to be considered a really good defender now, but I don't think achieving Allen's defensive level is out of Green's reach. Green should be able to get up to Allen's defensive peak (3.42 DWS/season from 2007-2012) at some point in his career. Anthony Parker, to whom I've seen Green compared, had a two-year stretch were he averaged 6.35 DWS/season. And Parker was 31 and 32 during those seasons, so Green has a few years to grow.
really? comparing an all time great, the best 3pt shooter in history, with a nba workman like danny green? some people need basketball lessons.
I don't understand why most Spurs fans either wildly overrate Danny Green or wildly underrate Danny Green. As Parker would say, we need to find a happy middle. In my eyes, Green is a very solid seventh or eighth man that is signed to a more than reasonable contract who happens to start in order to add firepower to the bench. He's a streaky shooter who, thankfully, runs more hot than cold. He can't do much else on offense but he realizes that and typically sticks to his strengths and doesn't need a lot of touches. He's a long, versatile defender who usually tries hard on D but has limited upside due to a lack of quickness and and the absence of great natural instincts. Intangibles-wise, he seems to be a plus.
I don't think his upside is much higher than his current production. He's in a perfect spot for his skillset and there honestly isn't much room for him to grow. But it's also important to note just how weak the shooting guard position is right now in the NBA. Despite Green's warts and lack of untapped potential, he still has a really good case for being a top 20 shooting guard in the NBA. That alone makes him valuable, especially relative to his salary.
Pretty much how I feel. He has value and I don't think he needs to be moved. Everyone has flaws or things to improve on in their game. He does a lot of things well. His salary is beautiful considering what he can provide when he's "on" with his shooting.
In no way am I comparing Green to Ray Allen, but this post got it right. Allen does contribute to Celtics' championship run in 08, but now it seems he was rated over contemporary players like AI3, and that's ridiculous.
Get out of here with your logic; I prefer to use emotions and memories when comparing players instead of those things called stats!
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