The Curious Brainwashing Case of ...

[admiralsnackbar]

After reading this thread, all I really come away with is that the OP is a species of Daoist whose fervent desire to evangelize is crippled by starting principles which ascribe the same truth-value to all viewpoints.

[Blake]

lol

Doesn't make me anything - just pointing out that Freddie's story is the topic...our story...isn't it wonderful to be so similar?

Your meltdowns from this perceived war prove that it makes you unhappy to the point of getting banned.

you've also admitted that people disrespecting you makes you unhappy.

[silverblk mystix]

That makes no sense on any level.

Why not? I am saying that if you are in a true state of happiness - you are a mystic - and of course you would find my threads boring and unnessary. It makes perfect sense. You and I are not mystics so we should learn something here.



natural state?

no disrespect: the truth in this post is that you're just throwing out a bunch of nonsense. Again.

What nonsense - it makes perfect sense. Look inside yourself and find your truth meter or whatever it can be called and seriously tell me it doesn't ring true.

You came into the world - you were perfect. You were in touch with reality. You were contaminated by the stupidity of human beings. Which part is not 100% absolutely self-evident. You are smart. You can sense truth. It is right there.

Again - just to be clear - before someone runs with it--the stupidity of human beings was the harmful programming away from reality - not the useful and loving actions to help you survive in the world and the teaching of mechanical things.

And...no one programmed you MALICIOUSLY --it was all the information they had from their programming--they did the best they knew how- but they still programmed you away from reality.

[silverblk mystix]

After reading this thread, all I really come away with is that the OP is a species of Daoist whose fervent desire to evangelize is crippled by starting principles which ascribe the same truth-value to all viewpoints.

What about Freddie? Any thoughts?

[silverblk mystix]

Your meltdowns from this perceived war prove that it makes you unhappy to the point of getting banned.

you've also admitted that people disrespecting you makes you unhappy.

That is made up - right there.

You are better than that.

[ChumpDumper]

Would you expect anything better from a brainwashed person who is just like you?

There is your answer.

That look much more like a cop out non-answer. But if you say you are brainwashed, that's cool.

That is actually quite impressive - but backwards in a way...

You kinda hit it on the nose there - but you believe it is not true.

Unhappiness can be directly traced back to brainwashing - in fact this is probably the best definition of Spirituality right here. You hit it by accident. Or by being a supreme skeptic.

There it is - the brainwashing leads directly to unhappiness...remember Freddie's story (all of us represent Freddie -or Freddie represents all of us)how he was programmed to be unhappy - so deprogramming yourself is very much a way to get your happiness back.

So did you read Part 1 or Part 2 or both or none of it.

This should be what is being discussed...not our little war...IMO.

Your little story has no context whatsoever. If you think you've figured it out, tell your story. No need to hide it.

[admiralsnackbar]

What about Freddie? Any thoughts?

Since Freddie is your Platonic likely-story, my comments about you apply to "him."

[silverblk mystix]

That look much more like a cop out non-answer. But if you say you are brainwashed, that's cool.

Your little story has no context whatsoever. If you think you've figured it out, tell your story. No need to hide it.

Speaking of non-answers....

So do you know anyone whom might have had a similar upbringing - except for me - I already said your story, MY STORY, etc...

Do you disagree with the premise that Freddie was programmed (not maliciously) from birth?

[silverblk mystix]

Since Freddie is your Platonic likely-story, my comments about you apply to "him."

So does Freddie's story seem familiar - do you know people or cases like this?

[ChumpDumper]

Speaking of non-answers....

So do you know anyone whom might have had a similar upbringing - except for me - I already said your story, MY STORY, etc...

Do you disagree with the premise that Freddie was programmed (not maliciously) from birth?

Freddie doesn't exist.

There is no reason to make up a story if you are talking about yourself, which is really the only thing you can do. Generalizing for everyone else in the world is grandiloquent and loses any impact you might be hoping to make.

[silverblk mystix]

Freddie doesn't exist.

There is no reason to make up a story if you are talking about yourself, which is really the only thing you can do. Generalizing for everyone else in the world is grandiloquent and loses any impact you might be hoping to make.

I'm proud of you man -grandiloquent - steppin' up your game!

The truth is that - unfortunately - it is pretty much everyone's story - so it is pretty proper to use someone to represent everyone - it gives it more power - if the reader is honest enough to see himself or parts of himself in it.

Not wishing any bad on anyone - but if you have ever suffered - or if you suffer in the future - and who hasn't? and who won't?

It might be more relatable to you at that time. Most people don't care too much about these things until they find themselves in a very bad place. Then you might not be such a skeptic because you may find yourself searching for another way to live - than the way that brought you to that state.

Suffering is a great way to learn - but it sucks to suffer.

[Blake]

That is made up - right there.

You are better than that.

No, you got banned because you melted down. You melted down because you got angry. You got angry because somebody called you an idiot or something similar.

if that isn't true, explain why you got banned then.

.....because I didn't make up you getting banned. That really happened. You getting banned. Happened. Rather recently, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm proud of you man -grandiloquent - steppin' up your game!

The truth is that - unfortunately - it is pretty much everyone's story - so it is pretty proper to use someone to represent everyone - it gives it more power - if the reader is honest enough to see himself or parts of himself in it.

Quite the opposite, really.

Not wishing any bad on anyone - but if you have ever suffered - or if you suffer in the future - and who hasn't? and who won't?

It might be more relatable to you at that time. Most people don't care too much about these things until they find themselves in a very bad place. Then you might not be such a skeptic because you may find yourself searching for another way to live - than the way that brought you to that state.

Suffering is a great way to learn - but it sucks to suffer.

Well, making pompous assumptions about your audience isn't helping you either. I will never relate to a character you made up on a message board because you were too afraid to tell your own story. It's no big deal -- judging from this thread it doesn't seem like you had much to share anyway.

[silverblk mystix]

No, you got banned because you melted down. You melted down because you got angry. You got angry because somebody called you an idiot or something similar.

if that isn't true, explain why you got banned then.

.....because I didn't make up you getting banned. That really happened. You getting banned. Happened. Rather recently, tbh.

Nice try.

[Blake]

The truth is that - unfortunately - it is pretty much everyone's story - so it is pretty proper to use someone to represent everyone - it gives it more power - if the reader is honest enough to see himself or parts of himself in it.

k, I finally read your y story. Though there are a ton of problems, I think there are two that should be obvious, even to you:

1. You're saying labels are worse than heroin. Actually made me really chuckle.

2. You're assuming it's adults that pass labels down to kids.

You put five kids of different gender, height, weight, skin color, etc in a vacuum where they have never known adults and I don't see how they don't recognize they are all different.

And even if they do, so what?

[Blake]

Nice try.

I think I hit a home run.

If not, explain why it's not a homer.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's been at this pushing a week and SM has managed to persuade how many? I count none.

And Blake these is a difference between recognizing difference and how you label, emphasize or otherwise differentiate said differences. Our labels are just particular groupings, in this country mostly based on skin color. You could just as easily group by nose tilt eye color or toes. The labels we have are very much so taught down to what ranges of the spectrum we call blue, red, indigo or so forth.

There is an argument to say that there are inherent categories or forms but I think that is horse . This is easy to tell when you look at isolated cultures.

To the contrary of this is prime numbers but I doubt people here want to talk about the fine structure constant or the abc conjecture.

[Blake]

He's been at this pushing a week and SM has managed to persuade how many? I count none.

And Blake these is a difference between recognizing difference and how you label, emphasize or otherwise differentiate said differences. Our labels are just particular groupings, in this country mostly based on skin color. You could just as easily group by nose tilt eye color or toes. The labels we have are very much so taught down to what ranges of the spectrum we call blue, red, indigo or so forth.

There is an argument to say that there are inherent categories or forms but I think that is horse . This is easy to tell when you look at isolated cultures.

To the contrary of this is prime numbers but I doubt people here want to talk about the fine structure constant or the abc conjecture.

I think labeling is inherent myself, simply because at times, language demands it.

[silverblk mystix]

Quite the opposite, really.

Well, making pompous assumptions about your audience isn't helping you either. I will never relate to a character you made up on a message board because you were too afraid to tell your own story. It's no big deal -- judging from this thread it doesn't seem like you had much to share anyway.

But...you came here because?

because you were carrying a lot of butthurt from the past and you brought it here...ok.

If it sucked so badly - why the need to come here and state it again?

oh yeah...the butthurt thing...GOT IT!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

But...you came here because?

I was already here. You started a thread.

because you were carrying a lot of butthurt from the past and you brought it here...ok.

This is where you begin to undermine yourself. Well, you actually did that with the OP. This is why no one buys what you are trying to sell. No one could possibly believe you have achieved any happiness when your first step is petty and insulting.

If it sucked so badly - why the need to come here and state it again?

I told you what might make it more compelling.

oh yeah...the butthurt thing...GOT IT!!!!

Is that the enlightened, truly happy SBM posting that?

Of course not. No such thing. It's as made up as Freddie stix.

[silverblk mystix]

k, I finally read your y story.

Wait, seriously? You hadn't read it and you had all that anger and ammo before reading it? Wow!
ok...I'll take it - and thanks for reading it, seriously. (extra points for y -I like it!)

Though there are a ton of problems, I think there are two that should be obvious, even to you:

Agreed - with the ton of problems...not trying to pass a class here --just looking for a little discussion!

1. You're saying labels are worse than heroin. Actually made me really chuckle.

Wrong o! The PROGRAMMING is the drug and the problem - the labels are just a side effect - but I admit - since you aren't the first person to bring up the "labels" - I admit I must be a sucky writer if this is the impression readers get. The "list" of things we can't be happy without- there is the problem - there is the programming - there is the addiction -most of us were programmed with this list and most of us naturally swallowed it because we trust our parents (rightfully) and we wasted so much energy and effort and time chasing a false belief- that we NEEDED these things to be happy. We don't. No one does. It is ok to have some of these things - that isn't the problem - the problem lies when we believe we can't be happy without them -therefore the "addiction" part of the equation.

2. You're assuming it's adults that pass labels down to kids.

Not quite - I stated that parents, culture, society, educational ins utions, religion, etc - all played a part.

You put five kids of different gender, height, weight, skin color, etc in a vacuum where they have never known adults and I don't see how they don't recognize they are all different.

Well it could be argued that IF ---big --- IF--- they did not have the programming/labeling - that they might find the differences to be pretty cool or pretty insignificant - whereas with the labeling/programming they would hate each other because of these differences. (I hate jews, I hate blacks, I hate black people, I hate mexicans,etc...) if they were ignorant of these labels they would just think it was pretty cool to have different colors, different hair, different skin, different sizes, etc)



And even if they do, so what?

[silverblk mystix]

I was already here. You started a thread.

This is where you begin to undermine yourself. Well, you actually did that with the OP. This is why no one buys what you are trying to sell. No one could possibly believe you have achieved any happiness when your first step is petty and insulting.



Wrong as usual. My actual OP was somewhere in the Christian thread - where I just basically stated that the christians that were being bashed for believing were just programmed or brainwashed differently. Not better - not worse just differently.

So - you failed again because there was no butthurt or anger - just stating a fact and this thread was just started to demonstrate how someone could be brainwashed.


?FAIL!!!!
I told you what might make it more compelling.

Is that the enlightened, truly happy SBM posting that?

Of course not. No such thing. It's as made up as Freddie stix.

[ChumpDumper]

Now you're trying to say your OP is not really an OP?

lol talk about denying reality.

[silverblk mystix]

He's been at this pushing a week and SM has managed to persuade how many? I count none.

??Sorry to disappoint you - but I am not trying to PERSUADE --just trying to have a simple discussion, a forum, a friendly debate,etc

And Blake these is a difference between recognizing difference and how you label, emphasize or otherwise differentiate said differences. Our labels are just particular groupings, in this country mostly based on skin color. You could just as easily group by nose tilt eye color or toes. The labels we have are very much so taught down to what ranges of the spectrum we call blue, red, indigo or so forth.

There is an argument to say that there are inherent categories or forms but I think that is horse . This is easy to tell when you look at isolated cultures.

To the contrary of this is prime numbers but I doubt people here want to talk about the fine structure constant or the abc conjecture.

??Read above comments - the labels aren't the problem - the programming/brainwashing is.

[silverblk mystix]

Now you're trying to say your OP is not really an OP?

lol talk about denying reality.

Either you don't know or you are playing games...I broke off from the christian thread to start this one - once Woo Bung Hole and I agreed on the premise/issue--

when he agreed that the premise was indeed brainwashing and that he didn't think anyone of us was ever brainwashed - I started this thread to demonstrate how it is very common for people to be brainwashed and in fact I think most of us were.

End of story.

Join the topic and let your butthurt go.