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Well said.
Was a human sacrifice required to save humanity? Yes or no? Did God have no other way to save humanity, or did he CHOOSE to go the human sacrifice route?
oh and believing there is nothing is a belief like any others tbh but I cannot use him to justify crimes or violent acts, so that's a good one for me.
Oh, I'm aware of that. I live in a very religious part of the country. The reason I don't get into many of these pro-Christian discussions is because, strangely enough, I'm usually on the other side of those discussions. I don't mind admitting, however, that I still question many of these things. I think the thing that bothers me most are the Christians who feel a need to prove the existence of God. They don't even realize the failure of logic there as far as their faith-based beliefs are concerned.
the subs ution is called the Enlightenment, where Europe revolted against the 1000-year-old oppression of the Dark Ages power combo of Catholic Church/Christianity + royalty/bourgeoisie
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There were two sides to the movement. How many Christians on each side? Also, are you saying everyone who opposed the civil rights movement was in the KKK and or Christian? I just like specifics instead of generalities, it's the latino in me.
so the majority of Christians were in the KKK and now the Majority of Christians hate gays. Again, do you have percentages? I would argue vast majority of Christians abhor the KKK and love their gay brothers and sisters.Since the civil rights movement made it socially unacceptable to be in the KKK, Christians moved on socially acceptable forms of hatred like believing gay people are possessed by the devil. There IS currently a significant number of Christians (in the tens of millions) in America who believe sexuals are possessed by the devil. Once it's no longer socially acceptable to hate gay people, that same group of Christians will move onto a new demographic of people to hate.
True. But I think it would actually be more difficult for someone to believe in nothing if they had spent their entire life believing otherwise.
because you're obviously having trouble. Come up with some other words to make you sound smarter or something.
In your own words. I'm not sure if you can make your contradiction any clearer. God makes the rules. Hence, God requires A for B to be possible. Hence, A is required. I'm not sure why you don't understand your own words.Was a human sacrifice required to save humanity? Yes or no?
Did God have no other way to save humanity, or did he CHOOSE to go the human sacrifice route?
Yes, current day Christians abhor the KKK because it's the only socially acceptable opinion to have regarding the KKK. It's no difference than the Vatican having a revelation about how the world is actually round and not flat right as it became socially unacceptable to believe the world is flat because of scientific evidence.
That's why it's bull to say Christians evolve. The main driver behind Christians evolving is society forcing them to evolve because their beliefs become socially unacceptable.
In 2004, I'd say there was a strong Christian majority that opposed gay marriage (that won't matter to you since you seem like one of those Christians who thinks he's helping gay get past their demons by opposing gay marriage). Since then it's become increasingly unacceptable socially to oppose gay marriage, so Christians have let up on their opinion about gays. You're deliberately being naive pretending Christians always viewed gays as lundeserving of the rights straight people had until recently. If you really think a vast majority of Christians support gay marriage then you're extremely naive.
The fact you avoid the actual issue of gay marriage and instead use vague, feel-good rhetoric like "love their gay brothers and sisters" demonstrates the views Christians have regarding gays. They say feel good things that have no substance.
You did not answer my question, you moron.
Did God choose for there to be a human sacrifice, or did there have to be a human sacrifice? Which one is it?
the question is from does where right and wrong originate? I say God and all things he created.
Opposing Gay marriage doesn't equate to hatred of gays.In 2004, I'd say there was a strong Christian majority that opposed gay marriage (that won't matter to you since you seem like one of those Christians who thinks he's helping gay get past their demons by opposing gay marriage). Since then it's become increasingly unacceptable socially to oppose gay marriage, so Christians have let up on their opinion about gays. You're deliberately being naive pretending Christians always viewed gays as lundeserving of the rights straight people had until recently. If you really think a vast majority of Christians support gay marriage then you're extremely naive.
Did Christians not exist prior to the Civil rights Movement? What were those Christians doing in the preceding 400 years to the movement? Praying?
God created evil.
What a .
Christians like Abe Lincoln have been fighting the fight since the beginning.
No other Law before God. God is the beginning and the end.
What about all the Christians who fought against Lincoln?
I think it's disingenuous to act like Christians (if you'd like to group them together) haven't been responsible for pain and suffering in the US based on misguided beliefs, or simply pure hatred. Slavery is a good example.
I also think it's wrong for people to hold Christians to such a standard that they are unable to have made mistakes, realize the err of their ways and change accordingly.
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2cents, are you deliberately being obtuse?
If God controls all, and is omnipotent, then he could've absolved mankind WITHOUT a sacrifice. In fact, he could do anything he wanted, since he's not bound by the laws of this reality/universe. Therefore, God deliberately CHOSE to require a sacrifice.
So, God chose to kill himself. He could have done anything, but he made the completely unnecessary, overly elaborate choice of impregnating a woman with himself so that he would kill himself to save us (even though nothing actually changed).
Why should anybody be moved by a totally unnecessary gesture?
Was anyone killed?
I was referring to our conscience. I should of said where does the "understanding" of right and wrong originate.
But God did create evil.
He created everything including man's capacity for evil. move.
Some Abe Lincoln gems:
I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.
Fight the Fight!
You must be equal to God to know what is necessary.
We only recently had a watershed moment where the issue of gay marriage has now become "acceptable". Obama's stance on this issue has only "evolved" over the past few years.
It also should be pointed out that evangelicals played a major role in the abolitionist movement.
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