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If the Spurs wanted Oberto so badly all along, why didn't they bring him earlier? His buy-out was dirt cheap compared with Scola's.
Don't blame Sequ too much. When you are so short that you need a booster seat to reach your keyboard, it makes you bitter.Exhibit B. Sequ the troll.
If the Spurs wanted Oberto so badly all along, why didn't they bring him earlier? His buy-out was dirt cheap compared with Scola's.
Don't blame Sequ too much. When you are so short that you need a booster seat to reach your keyboard, it makes you bitter.
oh know you didn't
This is the first time the Spurs have had free money in a while.
Argentineans---help me out.
Who is a bigger hothead----Scola or Oberto?
Um, no. It was rather obvious that I was being somewhat sarcastic. Well, at least to most.
The Spurs' offer to DA was not fully guaranteed. That's not just an assertion that was made by him and/or his agent.OK.. you have compelled me to see if I can find further information on that. Its not how I remember it but I may have had my Silver and Black goggles on. Since you have clearly articulated that all of the local media is in the back pocket of the Spurs I obviously can no longer accept what they have written as having any truth to it and will need to learn to accept that how the players and their agents describe it is the true unbiased gospel.
Pop travelled to Hawaii and told DRob that he thought he was "done" and offered him the vet minimum (or close) and promptly chased after Webber while DRob was left hanging.
And so on. This is how the Spurs' operate. Not that I have a problem with it, but I have problem with people who want to believe that the Spurs' are pure as the driven snow when it comes to negotiations and public relations.
We have chips a hoy and oreos, you idiot!
Shawn Michaels, STFU. Last night you didn't even know what teams Oberto and Scola played for in the Olympics, you've got no room to about anything.You see i knew something like this was going to happen, the Spurs really could use this guy Scola is suppose to be the next best thing. They better not let him slip through our hands.
Or is it 2M Euros or $1.7M? I think the Spurs were tired of figuring out what the actual buyout is/will be/might be and threw out the $14M figure. After they do that, then the buyout suddenly becomes $3.2M. This is all crap now until someone shows up with a certified do ent of what the buyout actually is.
Psst, Marcus, you may not want to use DA as an example. Spurs kinda came out looking like they knew what they were doing on that one.
Pssst, Dumbass, the rightness of the decision wasn't the issue. The issue was about how the Spurs operate publicly.
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I can confirm the buyout was a bag of chips
thus the reason everyone wants to trade rasho for a bag of ships
Who cares how they operated with DA? He took it into public, they responded in kind.
Sure, it was a little juvenile, but in hindsight he would have been overpaid at 28 million, let alone 42.
Perhaps they were working on trading Scola's rights, then the Oberto news got released before they wanted it to, then they had to come up with a cover story about why they were trying to grab this other guy over the "best PF in Europe."The reason that I don't think the Spurs/Ludden are lying about the $14.5M buyout is because that buyout would make his rights very difficult to trade. So if they are trying (or going to try) to trade his rights, why would would they spread the misinformation of that jacked price? So there has to be some truth to it.
man, there was a claim that the Spurs were always 'up front and honest' in this thread. I disagreed with that.
But of course, you've never gone slightly off topic in a thread before.
Nobody said they were squeaky clean. Everybody except you said they were far more direct and honest than a number of teams, and had a very high reputation. You make them out to be cloak and dagger scoundrels who do this stuff regularly.man, there was a claim that the Spurs were always 'up front and honest' in this thread. I disagreed with that.
Whottt I never heard u before speaking bs this way. U really make yourself look misinformed to say the least.
1-Ludden's article was pure bs from top to bottom: Scola's contract ends next year, his buyout is around 2 mill euros; I didn't collect any supporting data in the Spanish media to back Ludden's info.
2-Scola can take and lots of it. His former coach was Dusko "Iron Fist" Ivanovic. The guy is like 2245454 Pops and the one who didn't want to play for him anymore was Oberto, not Scola. That's the main reason Oberto left Tau.
3-Scola has an ego like any other successful player but it never got in the way of his teams. He played back up to our NT even though he was better than Wolko and accepted his role. He shared locker in Tau w/a ton of offense oriented players like Macijaukas and that never causes any trouble. He is Tau's leader and a class act at it.
I'm with Marcus Bryant on this one. Spurs' FO pulled a dirty trick so far. I say "so far" coz tons of things can change in a tough negotiation like this one.
The biggest consequence would be Spurs losing Scola through trade etcetera. I think Scola will be a nice addition to any NBA team. Of course Spurs could get something in return but I see the organization benefiting more by actually using Scola on the team.
Time will tell if Scola-Spurs relationship has deteriorated to a no return point or it’s is going through a "reasonable" slump.
Athenea -- how do you know when Scola's contract ends for sure? (honest question) Most places I see say that he signed for 10 years in 1997.
The Spurs have a rep for having an effective front office, not for having a kind and gentle one. It seems like the hugs and kisses BS notion came from the local fan base.
Here's just a little bit of what Julian Mozo said, for those who didn't hear it ...
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/defa...videoId=133961
Look what I've found. An article of Clarin newspaper saying Scola had just signed a contract with Tau. The article's date is March 29, 1998.
http://www.clarin.com/diario/1998/03/29/r-08001d.htm
(sometimes the link doesn't work)
Que el pibe Luis Scola tiene un enorme futuro, es algo sabido. Lo que todavía no se puede predecir es hasta dónde puede llegar este ala pivote de apenas 17 años y 2,04 de altura. Al menos su proyección internacional comienza a dar pasos importantes. Como que esta e, a las 15, participará en el estadio Alamo de San Antonio (6.500 espectadores) en el tradicional partido entre un seleccionado de Estados Unidos y Resto del Mundo que celebra la entrada de nuevas figuras al Salón de la Fama del básquet.Fue una gran alegría que me hayan elegido, ya que esta es una gran vidriera. Estaré junto a otros chicos con mucha experiencia internacional y eso servirá de medida para mi nivel, sobre todo porque como el límite es de 20 años, voy a enfrentar a jugadores más grandes, dijo Scola, que entrenó durante toda la semana con su equipo, en Dallas. El jugador de Ferro, que durante los encuentros de entrenamiento ingresó como ular, podría quedar relegado por la incorporación del pivote holandés Daniel Gadzuric (2,10).El plantel del Resto del Mundo, integrado por varios de los mejores proyectos de Europa, se completa con Igor Rakocevic (base de 1,92; figura de la Liga yugoslava), el español Juan Navarro (base; 1,86), el portugués Joao Coehlo (base; 1,86), el griego Antonios Fotsis (alero; 2,05), el alemán Dirk Nowitzki (alero; 2,08), el lituano Darius Songala (alero; 2,04), el italiano Andrea Michelori (alero; 2,03), el australiano Matt Nielsen (alero; 2,04), el senegalés Souleymane Camara (pivote; 2,10) y el francés Jerome Moiso (pivote de 2,08 pretendido por las mejores universidades estadounidenses). El italiano Alessandro Gamba será el técnico.El basquetbol argentino sigue siendo representado en este partido, al que concurren muchos reclutadores de la NBA y de las universidades, ya que anteriormente fueron seleccionados Oberto (1995), Palladino (1996) y Victoriano (1997).Scola acaba de firmar un contrato por diez años y algo más de 3 millones de dólares con Tau Cerámica de España, equipo que en dos años, cuando el jugador obtenga la doble nacionalidad, lo incorporará a su plantel. En ese tiempo jugaré en un equipo de Segunda división y lo aprovecharé para mejorar mi tiro, ya que en España quieren utilizarme como alero, de frente al cesto, comentó el juvenil, que tiene como ídolo a Larry Bird por su inteligencia y su tiro y a Marcelo Nicola por su polifuncionalidad.Este año Scola, cuyo padre, Mario, jugó varios años en Primera e integró la Selección argentina juvenil en los años 70, afrontará el Sudamericano y el Panamericano juvenil con Argentina. Para mí es una gran experiencia jugar con la Selección. Por eso en el contrato con el Tau incluí una cláusula para que me den siempre permiso para viajar, aseguró.Pero las ilusiones de Luisito Scola no se detienen: Mi objetivo es llegar a la Selección mayor, porque es un orgullo representar al país. Pero mi sueño es llegar a la NBA. Ese es el mejor basquetbol del mundo y voy a intentar meterme allí.
I collect the info from many places like Marca, Tau's site,
http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/20050...189219580.html
http://marca.recoletos.es/edicion/no...590139,00.htmlLos dos millones de dólares de cláusula obligarían a los Spurs a presentar a Scola un largo y jugoso contrato para que pudiera preparar un plan de financiación de su salida. Algo similar a lo que ocurrió con Pau Gasol o con el propio Andrés Nocioni.
Some say it's till 2007, but Spanish sources r way more trustworthy than others:Scola, que fue seleccionado por los Spurs en el draft de 2002 con el número 56, tiene contrato con el Tau hasta 2006, y su clausula de rescisión asciende a los 2 millones de dólares.
http://www.terra.com.uy/canales/nba/96/96858.html
Luis Scola tiene contrato con el Tau hasta el 2007. Su desvinculación con el club sería negociada en dos millones de euros. De concretarse su incorporación al San Antonio sería compañero de Manu Ginóbili.
Last edited by Athenea; 07-16-2005 at 12:08 AM.
I have seen Scola play. I feel he may well be an all star within three years of coming to the NBA. The buyout may end up being between 3 - 4 mill Euros. but that is not a sure thing as I understand it.
Scola is a beast but for Defense, Rebounds, and Shot blocking/changing, I'll take Javakotas even though it will be another year, 2006-2007.
I would trade him for a good 3 and some 1st round pick(s), since I don't think we have any next year. Maybe we could throw him in with the forthcoming Rasho Trade.
What do you want me to say about it Athenea?
In 2002 when we drafted him and they talked to him...
Everyone else says, I'm happy to be drafted especially by a great team like the Spurs.
Scola said: I wish I hadn't been drafted.
And I know he said this at the time. I am not misinformed.
In the Olympics when they talked to him and asked him if he looked forward to playing in the NBA with his national teamate Manu:
Most people would have said: That's great, I look forward to playing in the NBA and getting to play with Manu I am looking forward to the chance.
Scola(scowls) and says: I am not even thinking about being there.
And it was do ented at the time that he was angry at RC for asking him where is the rebounding.
Now: This friend of his when asked, says:
I think he'll probably angry and probably wish to be traded.
I think his friend is right based on just about every other interview with him that I have seen.
Let him go.
I imagine you are confused because I defend Manu so strongly...well I don't defend Manu because he is Argentinian...I defend Manu because he is a great and unselfish team player who never complains and always does what is asked of him...
Manu deserves be defended like that....and Scola isn't Manu. Scola is an unproven rookie.
I am sorry, I know he is probably a national hero in Argentina but I have no loyalty this guy and I don't like the at ude I have seen from him in interviews...
If he doesn't want to be here I don't want him here.
This team never has to deal with players saying controversial things when they get mad or otherwise, it's basically a team of unselfish players who player hard and do what their coach and organization asks of them...It's one of the things I love about this team.
But now this guy...
This guy is a rookie and he's always pissed off at the Spurs...
He doesn't really want to be here...the Spurs need to trade him...he'll be happier and so will the Spurs. Why force it?
I like Oberto better...I have always liked Oberto better. He just seems more like a Spur.
He thought and wanted to be drafted in the first round. When he wasn't he probably felt he rather not be drafted.Scola said: I wish I hadn't been drafted.
No big deal.
Whottie...If u have access to Scola's interviews he is pretty consistent when asked about playing in the NBA. He said several times that "I'm playing with this team now (either Tau or NT) and I'm focused in this tournament/game/series". Normally they interview the guy during some important compe ion and he shows loyalty to his current team. Same goes with Oberto (who BTW is the hotter head) when he couldn't get into the NBA year after year. Sometimes is frustration doing the talk, others is political correctness and others respect for the current team/situation.
If I would 've thought that u defended Manu because of his nationality I wouldn't respect your opinion as I do.
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