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I see. Yeah I'm getting too old for games i guess. Thanx bum
Why does the Xbox pop out of gameplay when you press X a couple times during game? It happens constantly. Bar far the biggest issue with the 2 systems.
I see. Yeah I'm getting too old for games i guess. Thanx bum
Get an EVGA if you can, they have great customer service.
+1 to DJR210's post, EVGA is great when it comes to customer service while companies like Zotac and Asus are horrible if something s up. Plus if you register your card with EVGA within 14 days of purchase you qualify for the Step Up program, which allows you to return your card and only pay the difference between them if you want something better within 90 days. So if you buy a 960 and two months later you decide you should have gone for a 970 or a 980 Ti instead, you can exchange for the difference in price. Not all EVGA cards can be stepped up to though, like you can't step up to their high end Classified cards. Or if you decide the 960 was too much GPU and a waste of money, you can't step down to a GTX 750 Ti and get money back.
If he had the horsepower I'm pretty sure he'd end up getting on board some of the more intensive games.. plus, why spend 200 bucks to limit yourself in the long run.. might as well leave yourself some options in case something great comes out down the line.. plus, all these strategy games take some horsepower to run, wouldn't be a bad investment
Also, hater, you sure you have enough power to supply the card?
I think it has to do w/ peasantry.. hard to fix
Ya my 2 buddies (1 owned previous Xbox consoles) both decided to go Xbox. Both kinda regret it. Might sell/switch this Holiday season.
One guy is a baseball fanatic, when he found out Xbox had no baseball game he nearly went to Toys R Us that night
I'm taking hater at his word that he doesn't care about FPS, driving, RPG, and so on, and a decent 970 costs $145 more. That's more than 80% of the 960 price, it's not just a little more. If he's just playing Civ that extra performance from the 970 is useless if even a 670 can run it at 60 fps at 1920x1080. You know how much I hate the 960, I think it should be a $160 card like the similarly performing R9 280 was sold at for so long. But it's like telling your grandmother to buy a Corvette when she'd just use it to drive to church on Sundays. Besides, a lot of strategy games are badly CPU bound, like the Total War series.
Ubisoft released figures for their sales in 2015, and 27% was for PS4, 23% was PC, and ing 11% was XBox One, tying it with the XBox 360 and PS3 for 2015 sales.
the xbox was due, tbh... was one of the few very good products Microsoft had and it was just a matter of time until they took a huge dump on it...
Thanx brothas. Pay no attention to the tool above me.
I love games for some reason I can't seem to play action games anymore, my reflexes are shot
Anyway I loved RPGs and strategy games better. Unfortunately don't have the time either. But once in a while I find a few hours and prefer to spend it in Civ or a good RPG. I do love graphics thus why IF I build a PC soon it will have a decent card.
I gave up on consoles tbh. Those asholes are just money grubbing es that don't care about technological advances. They are basically the mcdonalds of gaming. I can see the tablet/phone gaming taking their cookies and the dubm s are too stupid to do anything about it.
Glad PC gaming is alive and well
If you like RPGs then it's worth it to go up to the $300 range, as they're often some of the most graphically intense games out there. Games like Dragon Age Inquisition and Witcher 3 are extremely demanding and the $200 GPUs like the GTX 960 and R9 380 aren't really up to the task of giving you 60 fps gaming at 1080p without turning some settings down significantly. My first recommendation would then be the $330 MSI Gaming R9 390, that thing is a ing beast. The GTX 970s have gone up in price recently now that Nvidia isn't under the crazy pressure of the $230 R9 290s, and the cheapest good 970 is the EVGA GTX 970 SSC for $330 (don't get the SC, the SSC has way better power delivery), though the best ones are the $340 MSI Gaming and the $350 Gigabyte G1 Gaming. What CPU are you running? You can't get an AMD GPU if you have an i3 or an AMD CPU, as AMD's DirectX11 drivers have bigtime overhead that overwhelms i3s and AMD CPUs. Nvidia's DirectX11 drivers are way leaner and perform a lot better on lower end CPUs even when AMD's hardware is way better (e.g., a ing GTX 750 Ti can get better framerates with an i3 in some games than a much much more powerful AMD R9 280).Thanx brothas. Pay no attention to the tool above me.
I love games for some reason I can't seem to play action games anymore, my reflexes are shot
Anyway I loved RPGs and strategy games better. Unfortunately don't have the time either. But once in a while I find a few hours and prefer to spend it in Civ or a good RPG. I do love graphics thus why IF I build a PC soon it will have a decent card.
I gave up on consoles tbh. Those asholes are just money grubbing es that don't care about technological advances. They are basically the mcdonalds of gaming. I can see the tablet/phone gaming taking their cookies and the dubm s are too stupid to do anything about it.
Glad PC gaming is alive and well
If you're talking about building a system from scratch these two systems are ing beasts and would be around the best bang for your buck:
System 1: i5 + R9 390
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan ($7.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan ($7.99 @ Directron)
Total: $840.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 11:21 EDT-0400
System 2: i5 + GTX 970
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($353.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan ($7.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: NZXT Air Flow Series 83.6 CFM 140mm Fan ($7.99 @ Directron)
Total: $864.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-17 11:24 EDT-0400
Last edited by baseline bum; 07-17-2015 at 10:24 AM.
Awesome !baseline u the berraquero
Will study this but really go for an i5? Haven't been paying attention but should i7 give me more power?
Oh and I would get min 16gb ram. And definitely need SSD. So if I upgrade those anything else I should upgrade?
Oh and I'm liking those box style cases that are somewhat portable. Any recommendations? Of course it would need to be able to house a big GPU
Right now an i7 is a waste of money for gaming, but DirectX 12 might change that with the ability to send draw calls to the GPU from multiple threads. The i7-4790k is awesome if you have the budget, since even without an overclock the base clock is already 4 GHz and the turbo is 4.2 GHz if all four cores are active. Alternatively, the Xeon E3-1231v3 gives the hyperthreading of an i7 for an i5 level price (about $250), but the base clock is 3.4 GHz and the turbo 3.6 GHz, and you can't overclock it like the i7-4790k. Games don't tend to benefit much from hyperthreading on an i7 or Xeon over an i5 right now, but it could be a decent investment considering how well hyperthreading works on an i3 to make it absolutely slaughter the Pentiums in games even though they're both dual cores. The other day I was playing GTA V and disabling cores and enabling/disabling hyperthreading and simulating an i3 by turning off two cores and leaving HT on, the gameplay was really smooth with my GTX 970. But turning off the HT to simulate a Pentium at the same clocks made GTA V a completely unplayable stuttering mess with constant drops into the 30 fps range and even some in the 20s. So if HT can be a night and day difference between a Pentium and an i3 at the same clock speed with the same architecture, I think it's a reasonable gamble to pay for it for the future if you're willing to spend a little more than an i5.Awesome !
Will study this but really go for an i5? Haven't been paying attention but should i7 give me more power?
Oh and I would get min 16gb ram. And definitely need SSD. So if I upgrade those anything else I should upgrade?
16GB isn't strictly needed right now, though Dying Light can make use of more than 8 GB and GTA V has a memory leak that is really noticeable if you play the game for more than a couple of hours. And DDR3 RAM is dirt cheap right now, so it's not a bad idea to buy 16 GB.
I wouldn't buy a small case. Bigger cases have better airflow and are much easier to build in. Better airflow means your GPU runs faster and quieter.
Don't buy a mini-ITX case if this is the first time you are building a computer. Another worthy upgrade would be changing the case to a Phanteks Enthoo Pro full tower. As a matter of fact, getting the NZXT S340 I initially recommended, since at $63 with $16 worth of fans you're at $79 and the Enthoo Pro at $100 is a much better value. A case like that used to cost $150 until the Enthoo Pro came out.
Last edited by baseline bum; 07-17-2015 at 11:42 AM.
If you're thinking about 1440p or 4k instead of 1080p, also look into the GTX 980 Ti. It's $650 though. redzero just built a system with a GTX 980 Ti that me and DJR210 are jealous as of.
AMD Fury at $550 is another great 1440p/4k card to look at, though it's not out yet (in benchmarks it destroys the $500 GTX 980, which is maginally better than the $330 GTX 970). Fury X at $650 would be a stupid buy though, unless you're dead set on having a small case, as the 980 Ti for $650 is a better card.
Last edited by baseline bum; 07-17-2015 at 11:41 AM.
But for 1080p gaming on a 60 Hz monitor you're looking at some severe diminishing returns on your dollar going above the two systems I recommended, other than upgrading the case to a Phanteks Enthoo Pro. And going with the HT CPU could be a worthy gamble too like I said above, but as of now it's not doing much and maybe DirectX12 doesn't live up to the hype (it wouldn't be a first for Microsoft).
I'd echo these builds. Great deals for the money. Whatever you do, if you decide to deviate from these to save a few bucks hater, DON'T skimp on the power supply. You could fry your entire board buying a $30 PSU. It's not worth the risk.
I'd also be very careful about the case you buy. Get one that works but also one that allows for easy access and modding. I haven't checked out that NZXT personally but they are a solid case manufacturer.
Also because it does bear mentioning, if you wait around a few weeks a lot of this stuff goes on sale individually. If you're really looking to save you might even wait for black friday/cyber monday deals. I got a GPU for $100 off a couple years ago doing that.
do you still have that dual an setup? Or was that someone else?If you're thinking about 1440p or 4k instead of 1080p, also look into the GTX 980 Ti. It's $650 though. redzero just built a system with a GTX 980 Ti that me and DJR210 are jealous as of.
AMD Fury at $550 is another great 1440p/4k card to look at, though it's not out yet (in benchmarks it destroys the $500 GTX 980, which is maginally better than the $330 GTX 970). Fury X at $650 would be a stupid buy though, unless you're dead set on having a small case, as the 980 Ti for $650 is a better card.
The S340 is pretty roomy for a mid tower, especially with no 5.25" drive bays whatsoever. And the build quality is great other than the window that scratches easily. But getting the 140 mm fans for the front intake drives it up to being an $80 case essentially, and for that price might as well drop $20 extra and get the Phanteks Enthoo Pro, which is about the best full tower you can get until you start getting into the Corsair 900D territory where you're spending $350 or more for a case.
I had Quad an Z with my 4960x tbh
RT I'd never build an SLI system, Nvidia's SLI scaling sucks lately. Crossfire has way better scaling right now.
These are solid builds, you might actually not need the extra case fans, but for $16, it won't hurt.
The only thing I would change is the hard drive for an internal 500GB SSD (Samsung 850 EVO is going for $164 on Amazon right now). Then add a x TB HD or an external USB harddrive both for backup and large data libraries (music, videos, etc).
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