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    Joe sometimes reminds me of those "bots" that you can talk to on the internet but inevitably end up repeating things over and over. In Joe's case, that he voted for Kerry and has conservative feelings as well as liberal feelings which is why he considers himself a Democrat with the ocassional Semper Fi! thrown in for good measure.
    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!

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    Another "Semper Fi!"

    And I'm not doing this to protest the war but as a reminder of the sacrifice of those who proudly serve.


    Alexander Montgomery, 1-year-old son of Lance Cpl. Brian Montgomery, looks toward Marine pallbearers standing next to his father’s casket. Montgomery was killed in Iraq last week.

    Be proud little man.

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    FAMILY OF FALLEN SOLDIER PLEADS: PLEASE STOP, CINDY!
    Thu Aug 11 2005 12:56:21 ET

    The family of American soldier Casey Sheehan, who was killed in Iraq on April 4, 2004, has broken its silence and spoken out against his mother Cindy Sheehan's anti-war vigil against George Bush held outside the president's Crawford, Texas ranch.

    The following email was received by the DRUDGE REPORT from Casey's aunt and godmother:

    Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish.

    Thanks, Cherie

    In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:

    The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.

    Sincerely,

    Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.
    Last summer Cindy Sheehan got a face-to-face meeting with President Bush, complete with kisses and condolences.

    Today the Vacaville resident is camped outside the president's Texas ranch -- in the glare of the national media spotlight -- demanding another face-to-face meeting, and ultimately his impeachment.

    Sheehan's son Casey, an Army specialist, was killed in Sadr City, Iraq, in April 2004. Eleven weeks later, the Sheehan family traveled to Seattle for a 10-minute conversation with the president, who met with 16 other families who had lost love ones in Iraq.

    In the ensuing months, Cindy Sheehan has become a focal point in the ongoing partisan battle over the Iraq war, drawing the praise of many anti-war Democrats and the ire of Republicans who back Bush's decision.

    Sheehan's role in that battle exploded Monday morning, when Matt Drudge - the infamous commentator behind the popular Drudge Report, a right-leaning online news site - accused Sheehan of changing her tune to serve political purposes.

    Drudge's story, headlined "Protesting Soldier Mom Changed Story on Bush' and posted in the highest slot on the Web site that receives more than 5 million visits per day, pulled quotes from a Sheehan interview published June 24, 2004, in The Reporter.

    That story, by staff writer David Henson, was an account of Sheehan's visit with the president in Seattle.

    In Henson's story, Sheehan spoke of how she and husband, Patrick, debated before the meeting whether to ask pointed questions about the war and whether to vent frustration over their son's sacrifice. Ultimately, the Sheehans decided not to criticize Bush in the meeting.

    Afterward, Cindy Sheehan told Henson of a new-found respect toward Bush.

    "I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' she said in the story. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

    Sheehan also said the trip to Seattle helped connect her family

    to others that had lost a son or daughter in Iraq. Sheehan said sharing their story with those families was rewarding, as was the time she got to spend with her own family.

    "That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' she said in the story.


    Drudge included that quote in his Monday morning report, but didn't explain that it referred to sharing time with her familiy, not the president.

    Drudge also included most recent quotes from Sheehan highly critical of Bush and the 2004 meeting, including a statement the mother made Sunday to CNN.

    "Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject,' Sheehan told correspondent Wolf Blitzer of the cable news network. "And he acted like it was a party.'

    Drudge's report fueled opinions on both sides of the political spectrum Monday.

    Posters on highly visited liberal Web log Daily Kos said Drudge's report was misleading, while right-wing bloggers, including the popular Mic e Malkin, echoed Drudge's sentiments that Sheehan was contradicting herself, perhaps for political reasons.

    The Reporter decided to post Henson's 2004 story on www.thereporter.com today.

    "It's important that readers see the full context of the story, instead of just selected portions,' said Editor Diane Barney. "We stand by the story as an accurate reflection of the Sheehan's take on the meeting at the time it was published.'

    The Sheehan family could not be reached for comment.
    I'm sorry her son was killed, but I don't really care about what she has to say about the President or the war. She's become nothing but a politicol tool, standing in front of the cameras to bash Bush and the White House and to get herself some face time on national TV. I care more about the thousands of mothers who don't stage stunts to get themselves on CNN, but support their children and the war they're fighting.

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    She has every right to do so and as mother who lost a son I don't blame her.

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    She has every right to do so and as mother who lost a son I don't blame her.
    What about the thousand's of other moms from all the previous wars, legitimate or not? Imagine the nonsense if every mother of a KIA did this.

    I pity her.

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    Because she lost her son, or because she dares speak out against your beloved leader? I can probably already guess your answer though.

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    Clear Channel stations are hosting a Pro-Bush/anti-Cindy Sheehan rally in Crawford and are inviting troops from Ft. Hood to come speak out against Cindy.



    Is this outrageous or what?
    No more so than the political grandstanding the anti-Bush faction has stooped to by encouraging protests from the relatives of those killed serving our Country. The pinnacle of exploitation!

    When Cindy speaks out it's great but when the troops that are putting their lives on the line for our Country wish to speak out it's Outrageous? That mentality is BIZARRE!! WARPED!!

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    No more so than the political grandstanding the anti-Bush faction has stooped to by encouraging protests from the relatives of those killed serving our Country. The pinnacle of exploitation!
    No one is forcing these relatives to come forward, and just because they may have already met with W once while still deep in the grieving process doesn't mean that that person has automatically negated their right to want to meet with the President again at a later time.

    The anti-war movement needs these relatives as much as the relatives need those in the anti-war movement. If Cindy Sheehan was standing out on a field in Crawford alone demanding to talk to W this would be a non-story, and the corporate media could go on blindly ignoring the growing public impatience with the progress of the terror wars. However, as Rosa Parks showed during the Civil Rights struggle, culture wars are first fought with symbolic losses, victories, and battles, but once they catch on, watch out!

    As I posted at the beginning of this thread - I think W made a mistake by ignoring Ms. Sheehan’s request for so long. I think back about recent American presidents and how they would have handled similar situations and except for maybe Nixon, I can't think of another President in the last century at least that wouldn't have just invited a Ms. Sheehan in for a personal conversation and some tea. These are definitely strange times.

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    Because she lost her son, or because she dares speak out against your beloved leader? I can probably already guess your answer though.
    No, because she believes, somehow, she's more deserving of attention than the other thousands of KIA war moms.

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    tro--i pity you. maybe you won't feel so self-righteous when the world is engulfed in good ol' made in the usa mushroom clouds
    Yeah, this thread will be on my mind then...

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    Critics have started calling her a pawn of the left-wing. Some conservative organizations, talk show hosts and even some of her own extended family accuse her of shifting her position and say she is lowering troop morale.

    She got a Web site, a public relations assistant (financed by an anti-war group), an entourage of peace activists and a speaking tour.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050813/...ltBHNlYwM3MTY-

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    So? Doesn't seem like she's doing anything she doesn't want to. It's not like Bush is going to have to speak with her, so relax. Plenty more folks are going to die, no worries there. We won't be out of there for years.

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    Day 7: Camp Casey

    The Crawford area has turned into a circus of peaceniks and bush-supporters. A pro-bush march with about 50 people heading to Camp Casey has been stopped by the Crawford Police who are awaiting the arrival of the McLennan County Sheriff's Department.

    Here is some video of the Crawford Area

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    AWESOME! Controversy sells.

    I am sure all the little tools marching around protesting Bush will make a world of difference.

    I am sure that the more they march the faster Bush is kicked out of office.

    Right.

    That is how it works.

    Deal. With. It.

    Bush is the man.

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    Yesterday, Camp Casey was on high-alert. They were aware that the counter protesters were expected to arrive yesterday afternoon, so everyone was being hyper vigilant. Of key importance to everyone involved with the organization of Camp Casey was the idea that our vigil sitters remain calm and peaceful.

    As everyone was going about their business, waiting for the counter protesters to arrive, a man drove up in a huge diesel pickup truck. You know the kind, with the big doolie wheels and such. He parked right in the center of the triangle – right in the space no one from Camp is supposed to be. He parked in such a way that the front end of his truck was facing directly towards the tents where Cindy and the other military families sleep – and where all the crosses of fallen soldiers have been erected.

    The man sat in his truck for quite some time while our people looked on and waited to see what he intended. After a while, one of the vets from Camp Casey walked up to the man’s truck and informed him that no one was allowed to park in the triangle. The gentleman identified himself as the father of a fallen soldier. Anne Wright walked up to this man’s truck and began speaking with him through his rolled down window. He told her that he did not support what Cindy and the others are doing at Camp Casey, but he wanted to come and see if his son’s name was on one of the crosses. Anne invited him to come walk the crosses with her. The man got out of his truck and went with Anne to move up and down the rows of crosses, looking together for his son’s name. When they found it, they sat down in front of it, wrapped their arms around each other and cried together.

    The entire Camp was affected by this event. I suspect that there were few dry eyes in our little corner of Crawford yesterday afternoon. I know that even as Annie related this story to me, I was choking up and having a very difficult time typing as she spoke, her voice cracking as she related the tale. Much has been said on both sides of this issue about what is “right” and what is “good” and what is “honorable.” If you ask me, the interaction between Anne and “The Man In The Truck” is the perfect representation of what we are trying to accomplish – Peaceful coexistence among people of different beliefs, politics and ideologies. I don’t know who “the man in the truck” is, but should he ever read this, I want him to know how much his story touched me. I want him to know that I honor him, and I honor his child, and I honor the sacrifice his family has made in pursuit of their ideals. To you, Sir, I bow my head in respect."
    Upbeat Defiance

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    Saturday, August 13th, 2005
    We Don't Have to be Angry Anymore; The Peaceful Occupation of Crawford (Day 7)


    -- a message from Cindy Sheehan, Crawford, TX



    My day started way too early today. After 3 hours of sleep, I was being shaken awake by someone at 6:30am telling me that the Today Show wanted me to be on their show. I had come into town to sleep in a trailer because my tent had been infested with fire ants. I turned the today show down for 7:15am, so we did it at 9:00am.

    We had a very interesting day. We had Bush drive by really, really fast twice. I caught a glimpse of Laura. I was hoping after she saw me that she would come down to Camp Casey with some brownies and lemonade. I waited for her, but she never came.

    The Bush's were going to a bar-be-que/fundraiser down the road from us. I was very surprised that they let us stay so close to Bush. The families of the fallen loved ones held their son's cross from Arlington West while Bush drove by. I bet it didn't even give him indigestion to see so many people protesting his murderous policies.

    I am a continued thorn in the side to the right-wing bloggers and right wing-nut "journalists." One man, Phil Hendry called me an "ignorant cow." But you know what, the people who have come out from all over the country to give me a hug and take a picture with me and to support the cause of peace, overwhelms me so much, I don't have time to worry about the negativity and the hatred. The people who are slamming me have no idea about what it feels like to unjustly have a child killed in an insane war. Plus, they have no truth to fight truth with, so they fight truth with more lies and hate.

    Three active duty soldiers from Ft. Hood came to visit me and tell me that they really appreciated what I was doing and that if they were killed in the war, their moms would be doing the same thing. That made me feel so good after all of the negativity I had been hearing from the righties. I also got to hold a couple of toddlers on my lap while their mom or dad took pictures of us. I am honored that people have resonated with the action that I took to make our mission of ending the war a reality.

    We are here at the Crawford Peace House now and there are dozens and dozens of people here. We are giving each other hugs and kisses and we are all feeling great, full of energy and so filled with hope that this is something that is really going to change the world. I came here so angry and I have been so encouraged and overwhelmed by the support from all over. I was thinking that there is no reason for us progressive liberals to be angry anymore. We have the power. One mom has shown that we can be the change in our government. We deserve to hold George Bush accountable, no one else does. We have to make sure he answers to us. If he doesn't have to answer to Congress, or the media, we will FORCE him to answer to us. The absolute hubris of him that won't!!!
    Michael Moore.com

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    yes hugs and kisses will win the war......

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    She should just shake her fist at the sky....

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    Cindy Sheehan : "We had Bush drive by really, really fast twice. I caught a glimpse of Laura. I was hoping after she saw me that she would come down to Camp Casey with some brownies and lemonade. I waited for her, but she never came".
    Reality : President Bush's car went by twice (left and came back) at a normal pace. My mindset paralells the lunatic left so even though I bash the President and his policies I thought the first lady would want to be my hostess...she didn't.





    Cindy Sheehan : "the Bush's were going to a bar-be-que/fundraiser down the road from us. I was very surprised that they let us stay so close to Bush. The families of the fallen loved ones held their son's cross from Arlington West while Bush drove by. I bet it didn't even give him indigestion to see so many people protesting his murderous policies"
    Reality : Because I'm being totally propped up by the lunatic left I'm going to make an asinine, maniacal, untrue and unproveable statement that the President could care less about the soldiers that have given their lives for their country.




    Cindy Sheehan : "I am a continued thorn in the side to the right-wing bloggers and right wing-nut "journalists." One man, Phil Hendry called me an "ignorant cow." But you know what, the people who have come out from all over the country to give me a hug and take a picture with me and to support the cause of peace, overwhelms me so much, I don't have time to worry about the negativity and the hatred. The people who are slamming me have no idea about what it feels like to unjustly have a child killed in an insane war. Plus, they have no truth to fight truth with, so they fight truth with more lies and hate.
    Reality : "I'm being a tushhole and I hate those that have morals. It's amazing, considering the way I'm making such a fool of myself, that there would still be people that come out to see me, guess I'm not the only lunatic, eh? I want people to listen and understand me but I'm not going to listen to anything they have to say because I'm ignorant. I'm the only one to ever have lost a loved one and I, and only I, have cornered the market on what it truly feels like to lose a child. There are so many people telling me what to think and what to say, I'm just so confused...really, I am..."

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    You've never seen Republicans pandering to the minority vote? Give me a ing break. You're turning into Minivore here.
    scoffed.

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    A Ft Hood soldiers letter to Cindy Sheehan...

    Fort Hood, Texas
    12 August 2005

    Dear Mrs. Sheehan:

    I am a Soldier stationed at Fort Hood who is scheduled for deployment to Iraq (soon). Like you, I do not support the war because I believe it represents a horrible waste of lives and lucre that is bankrupting our nation. However, I am sworn to obey my orders and I will serve to the utmost of my ability when called upon.

    Your actions in Crawford have served to galvanize the American people and to remind them of the sacrifices being made by its Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines during what seem to be prosperous and lazy times here at home. It is too easy for the average American to forget that the seemingly low casualty figures seeping in from Southwest Asia are represented by human faces - like the face of your son. While the nation dozes, ones and twos turn into hundreds and thousands of young lives forever squelched - 1,846 thus far, to say nothing of those whose lives have also been forever changed by being wounded and maimed in the conflict.

    Whatever the rationale for the war in Iraq was and is, I cannot tolerate the sight of the huge quantum of vehicles I see on the highways with yellow "Support our Troops" magnets on them. Citizens who support us in the military don't need to buy a magnet. They can contribute to causes benefiting soldiers and their families. They can inform themselves about the conflict in the Middle East and ask themselves what role, if any, the United States needs to play there. Most importantly, they can drive less, and drive smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles. That would reduce our dependency on foreign oil by which, ultimately, the desert wastes of Arabia and Mesopotamia are transformed into "vital United States interests."

    Lately you have attracted the attention of the right-wing smear machine, wielded by those who use the people's innate sense of patriotism and loyalty to serve its own selfish interests. This is a sign that you are awakening the sensibilities of decent Americans everywhere to the bloody-minded folly of the war in Iraq. Now more than ever, you must find your strength, a strength which you must have given young Casey in spades, and I am equally sure that today his strength of his spirit is animating and reawakening yours.

    As a soldier, I am asking you to stand fast, and to stick to what you know is right and true. For me, those are the principal duties every civilian citizen owes to his or her nation. For my part, I am not allowed to participate directly in the political process. But I wrote this letter to you today to let you know that on Fort Hood, and on military installations across the United States and around the world, there are simple servicemen and servicewomen like myself who are praying for you, and who wish you well.

    The duties of a soldier are a little bit different than those of civilians. Mostly they center around living the Army Values. Those values are:

    LOYALTY
    DUTY
    RESPECT
    SELFLESS SERVICE
    HONOR
    INTEGRITY
    PERSONAL COURAGE

    I have no doubts that your son Casey lived those values to the fullest measure. I will remember him as I begin my own trial by fire in Iraq. Please accept my deepest condolences for your loss and my prayers for you and all of your entire family circle. Also, please accept my thanks for awakening the conscience of our nation.

    In deepest sympathy,

    OREGON GUY
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    Bet ya won't catch Hookdem passing this letter.


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    W just can't manage to say the right things about this whole affair...

    CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush, noting that lots of people want to talk to the president and “it’s also important for me to go on with my life,” on Saturday defended his decision not to meet with the grieving mom of a soldier killed in Iraq.

    Bush said he is aware of the anti-war sentiments of Cindy Sheehan and others who have joined her protest near the Bush ranch.

    “But whether it be here or in Washington or anywhere else, there’s somebody who has got something to say to the president, that’s part of the job,” Bush said on the ranch. “And I think it’s important for me to be thoughtful and sensitive to those who have got something to say.”

    “But,” he added, “I think it’s also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life.”
    Daily Dayton News

    What's funny is that an article in USA Today makes no mention of this quote by W, but does have an cute antidotal story about his bike ride with reporters



    c.

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    war is what has got the u.s. where we are today. w/o we'd all be speaking german...

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    war is what has got the u.s. where we are today. w/o we'd all be speaking german...
    Or Sioux, or Hopi, or maybe Comanche. , maybe even Spanish.

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    A Ft Hood soldiers letter to Cindy Sheehan...



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    Bet ya won't catch Hookdem passing this letter.

    You couldn't leave well enough alone could you?

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