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[apalisoc_9]

Butler is better than anyone on the Spurs

regular season fans

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Why was he so bad in last year's playoffs, in your opinion?

And what's your opinion on the terrible play of Derrick Rose? Have you given up on him like Kaepernick?

Young players improve. He started the season as 2nd string. I think his legs gave out late in the year.

Rose is finished as League MVP but whether he returns to an All Star game and how far Bulls go depends on whether Rose can alter his game. He should not be shooting more than 18 times

[Splits]

Butler is better than anyone on the Spurs

DRtg of 98.2 vs 106.7

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Oh that guy whose the 4th option on the Spurs?

[Splits]

Oh that guy whose the 4th option on the Spurs?

Do you know how to read on/off metrics?

I betya didn't know that defense is half the game, didya?

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[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi takes the most shots in San Antonio..

FMVP and a playoff winner..

[Infinite_limit]

Kawhi takes the most shots in San Antonio..

FMVP and a playoff winner..

He does? No wonder your team is struggling to qualify for the Postseason

[ElNono]

Comparable players to Butler through 3 seasons according to basketball-reference:

Thru 3 Years		Win Shares (Best to Worst)
Player	Sim	1	2	3
Jimmy Butler		7.1	7.0	1.1
Rudy Tomjanovich	89.8	8.4	6.9	1.0
Raef LaFrentz	89.6	6.8	5.9	1.2
Wil Jones	88.2	7.4	6.0	0.6
David Lee	87.5	7.4	6.9	2.7
Campy Russell	87.0	6.7	5.5	1.1
Tom Sanders	86.6	7.2	6.8	3.0
Marvin Barnes	86.1	8.6	7.6	1.3
Toby Knight	85.8	7.3	5.7	1.6
Howie Dallmar	85.6	7.0	5.9	2.2
Rasheed Wallace	85.6	7.6	6.4	2.3

The next Raef LaFrentz sounds about right, tbh...

[Robz4000]

David Lee

[ElNono]

same for Kawhi Leonard:

Thru 3 Years		Win Shares (Best to Worst)
Player	Sim	1	2	3
Kawhi Leonard		7.7	6.2	5.5
Xavier McDaniel	96.1	7.4	6.2	5.1
James Worthy	96.0	7.5	6.5	5.1
Danny Granger	94.8	7.3	6.5	5.1
John Shumate	94.6	7.7	6.5	6.3
John Havlicek	94.3	7.7	6.4	4.5
Dominique Wilkins	94.1	7.6	7.0	5.8
Kelly Tripucka	93.9	7.5	7.1	5.7
Kenneth Faried	93.6	7.8	6.5	4.6
Reggie King	93.4	8.3	6.2	4.8
Tom Heinsohn	93.0	7.1	6.5	6.0

[apalisoc_9]

Comparable players to Butler through 3 seasons according to basketball-reference:

Thru 3 Years		Win Shares (Best to Worst)
Player	Sim	1	2	3
Jimmy Butler		7.1	7.0	1.1
Rudy Tomjanovich	89.8	8.4	6.9	1.0
Raef LaFrentz	89.6	6.8	5.9	1.2
Wil Jones	88.2	7.4	6.0	0.6
David Lee	87.5	7.4	6.9	2.7
Campy Russell	87.0	6.7	5.5	1.1
Tom Sanders	86.6	7.2	6.8	3.0
Marvin Barnes	86.1	8.6	7.6	1.3
Toby Knight	85.8	7.3	5.7	1.6
Howie Dallmar	85.6	7.0	5.9	2.2
Rasheed Wallace	85.6	7.6	6.4	2.3

The next Raef LaFrentz sounds about right, tbh...

[lefty]

Pretty sure that's Medvedenko

That's him

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Comparable players to Butler through 3 seasons according to basketball-reference:

Thru 3 Years		Win Shares (Best to Worst)
Player	Sim	1	2	3
Jimmy Butler		7.1	7.0	1.1
Rudy Tomjanovich	89.8	8.4	6.9	1.0
Raef LaFrentz	89.6	6.8	5.9	1.2
Wil Jones	88.2	7.4	6.0	0.6
David Lee	87.5	7.4	6.9	2.7
Campy Russell	87.0	6.7	5.5	1.1
Tom Sanders	86.6	7.2	6.8	3.0
Marvin Barnes	86.1	8.6	7.6	1.3
Toby Knight	85.8	7.3	5.7	1.6
Howie Dallmar	85.6	7.0	5.9	2.2
Rasheed Wallace	85.6	7.6	6.4	2.3

The next Raef LaFrentz sounds about right, tbh...

Players never progress.

[Splits]

Comparable players to Butler through 3 seasons according to basketball-reference:

Thru 3 Years		Win Shares (Best to Worst)
Player	Sim	1	2	3
Jimmy Butler		7.1	7.0	1.1
Rudy Tomjanovich	89.8	8.4	6.9	1.0
Raef LaFrentz	89.6	6.8	5.9	1.2
Wil Jones	88.2	7.4	6.0	0.6
David Lee	87.5	7.4	6.9	2.7
Campy Russell	87.0	6.7	5.5	1.1
Tom Sanders	86.6	7.2	6.8	3.0
Marvin Barnes	86.1	8.6	7.6	1.3
Toby Knight	85.8	7.3	5.7	1.6
Howie Dallmar	85.6	7.0	5.9	2.2
Rasheed Wallace	85.6	7.6	6.4	2.3

The next Raef LaFrentz sounds about right, tbh...

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[ElNono]

Players never progress.

He's currently posting the same WS this season (7.3)... his offense is much improved, his defense has taken a nose-dive (worst DWS since his rookie season)... it is what it is.

[Infinite_limit]

He's currently posting the same WS this season (7.3)... his offense is much improved, his defense has taken a nose-dive (worst DWS since his rookie season)... it is what it is.

His raw numbers are all even or better than Leonard's

[ElNono]

His raw numbers are all even or better than Leonard's

no, they're not, and his raw numbers don't impact the game the way Leonard's do. And I'm not even that big of a fan of Leonard.

[ElNono]

BTW, Leonard hasn't had a great season either so far, IMO.

[spurraider21]

Oh that guy whose the 4th option on the Spurs?

he leads the spurs in scoring and is statistically their most impactful defender

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no, they're not, and his raw numbers don't impact the game the way Leonard's do. And I'm not even that big of a fan of Leonard.

Better
- FG%
- FT%
- 3PT%
- Assists
- 5.0 more PPG
- Offensive RPG

Leonard has more defensive rebounds and 0.2 SPG

[apalisoc_9]

Regular season fans rooting for regular season players

[ElNono]

His raw numbers are all even or better than Leonard's

Leonard has more defensive rebounds and 0.2 SPG

[ElNono]

BTW, I don't even know why Leonard was brought up when we were talking about Butler getting better...

Like I said, Leonard has nothing to do with the fact that Butler is posting basically the same WS as the last two seasons...

[Infinite_limit]

BTW, I don't even know why Leonard was brought up when we were talking about Butler getting better...

Like I said, Leonard has nothing to do with the fact that Butler is posting basically the same WS as the last two seasons...

I responded Butler is better than anyone currently on the Spurs roster and then proceeded to prove it.

WS. What other cute numbers did you guys think up?

[ElNono]

but you didn't. You deflected to Leonard.

It doesn't really matter if he's better than anybody else, he's still not better than he was the past two seasons.

If you think the basketball-reference data posted is wrong, you should definitely write them and let them know, tbh