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gee you'd think a civilization that worshipped God wouldn't fail.
I am very familiar with mythology from many different cultures, they are actually one of my favorite things to read about.
I never said that a theist civilization has never failed. You keep making up. Which is also a hypocrisy of yours since you look down on the religious who have "made god up". What I am saying is that NO atheist civilization has succeeded or progressed as far as theist civilizations have. Perhaps you should stop trying to do these mental gymnastics because you clearly aren't intellectually flexible enough to try. No offense.
gee you'd think a civilization that worshipped God wouldn't fail.
Oh so since we agree the Roman gods were myth, what do you base their success upon?
I never said anything about public policy. You are painting with too broad a brush. Public policy in a democracy such as ours should allow for the freedom of belief or non belief, but not show preference to one over another.
So then all beliefs are based on truths, ergo every god belief is true as is every other belief of anything, ever.
Atheism is pertaining to belief, but not based on belief. It's based on non-belief.I do not balk at the definition of words that I already know. Perhaps a person that thinks atheism isn't based on belief should be the one looking up definitions.
Right, atheism is a belief system just like abstinence is a sexual position. After all, it's still about abstaining from SEX...How can an atheist possibly have a belief structure? It is very simple. "God does not exist" is accepted as being true. Therefore, having accepted that conclusion as truth, it has become a belief. Surprising since atheists look down on the religious because of their beliefs.
No, you did with your silly strawmen.Wow... and you say my arguments don't make any sense. You just contradicted yourself.
1. Who said it exists?"I don't reject things because they haven't been proven to be possible. I reject things that are absurd, like the notion of a god, especially a personal god and especially from someone who balks at learning the meanings of words."
How can you reject a notion that you claim to be absurd since the possibility of that notion exists?
2. Why do you think not having an answer increases the possibilities?
- Do you know if a purple unicorn that plays a pink piano exists on an Earth like planet somewhere in the universe? If not, does that increase the possibility that it does?
- If you leave your keys in you car and forget, does you not knowing where they are mean they could now be anywhere? After all, you not knowing increases the possibilities.
- Once you remember where you left them, did all the random places your keys could possibly be become no longer viable, based solely on your recollection?
This is why I suggested you brush up on epistemology, else you come across as simple minded and ignorant and that's not conducive to good discussion.
Until you do that you need to stop trying to joust with me on this issue, you're not even making any sense.
No, I brought up public policy on my own because that's really what this all boils down to. If Christians kept it to themselves, I'm pretty sure non religious folk would care very little except for an occasional lol.
What does that mean, exactly? Do you mean they should pass no law respecting the establishment of religion? What are you saying exactly, stop being so vague.
But they can't. The very religion itself is about spreading the gospel, letting everyone know the good news... that Jesus loves you and such. Of course if you tell them their god has no basis in history they'll say you've infringed upon their rights.
And then they'll start a glutehurt thread about atheism
According to the dictionary yes. Belief is an acceptance of truth. Don't blame me if the dictionary that you love so much works against you.
Atheism is pertaining to belief, but not based on belief. It's based on non-belief.
Right, atheism is a belief system just like abstinence is a sexual position. After all, it's still about abstaining from SEX...
Who is talking about increasing possibility? I am merely stating that the possibility exists. You are the one trying to twist my words into saying that it increases the chance. Your need to be correct is causing you to twist something very simple into something more complicated. Let me state this again...No, you did with your silly strawmen.
1. Who said it exists?
2. Why do you think not having an answer increases the possibilities?
- Do you know if a purple unicorn that plays a pink piano exists on an Earth like planet somewhere in the universe? If not, does that increase the possibility that it does?
- If you leave your keys in you car and forget, does you not knowing where they are mean they could now be anywhere? After all, you not knowing increases the possibilities.
- Once you remember where you left them, did all the random places your keys could possibly be become no longer viable, based solely on your recollection?
Because we do not know everything, the possibility of a god exists.
Nowhere in that statement does it say "increasing" possibility.
And yes, if I left my keys in the car and forgot where I left them, would it be completely wrong of me to assume that someone stole the car that the keys were in and made off with the car and parked it in a random place making my keys be in a different place? No it wouldn't because I do not know where my keys are. What you are seeing is the complete difference in thinking styles of a believer and a non-believer. You are stuck with the notion of the keys being forgotten in the exact same place I would have forgotten them, while I focus on what could have happened to the keys while forgotten. You may think that my scenario is laughable, but then again, life was born on this planet due to "random chance".
The possibility that the keys could be in a different location than I presume to have left them exists because the keys were forgotten. Therefore, the possibility of god is relevant because we do not know all of the answers to the creation of the universe.
Why do people buy lottery tickets when the odds are so terrible? Well, because there is a possibility to win it. You would say not to waste your money, yet a winner would laugh in your face.
Simple minded and ignorant huh? After that poorly thought up list? You appear to be the simple minded one because my spectrum of thought appears to be much broader than yours.This is why I suggested you brush up on epistemology, else you come across as simple minded and ignorant and that's not conducive to good discussion.
Until you do that you need to stop trying to joust with me on this issue, you're not even making any sense.
mmmm spaghetti
all you're saying here is that you believe your imagination is bigger than his
And what has ever been accomplished without imagination? Would we have satelittes in space if someone didn't imagine the possibility? Would we have airplanes, cars, tame animals???
for sure we wouldn't have the Bible without imagination.
How do you know that it is myth? Roman gods haven't been disproven. Does the fact that I say "mythology" make me agree it is only myth? No it doesn't. I just merely chose the popular terminology so others can understand what I am talking about. So yeah... try again.
, you wouldn't be you if your father hadn't entertained the possibility of what it would be like to your mother. You can rip on the Bible all you want, it doesn't bother me at all as I have had conversations with you about my idea of the bible in other threads. Then again, you probably already forgotten that.
Once again, stop trying mental gymnastics to try to get an edge on me.. you are not intellectually flexible enough to try it.
well yeah, using the term mythology denotes myth, so you need to try again.
Spaghetti monster aside, Constantine ditched the Roman gods for christianity and the Roman gods did nothing about it. There is also no evidence that Roman gods ever walked the earth. I think it's safe to say it's myth.
more logical fallacies. Seriously, go look them up to understand where you are in terms on intellectual flexibility
Were you alive then? It is a well known fact that history cannot tell the whole story. How much history did Persia destroy when they sacked Athens? How about when Rome was sacked? Such a simpleton. This is especially true if you are going to use a invocation of popular terminology to attempt to ridicule me. Now not only are you intellectually inflexible, you are also petty.
I never met an atheist that wasn;t either stupid or a punk. As we can see we have one here who is both.
Miserable little s.
Well, it's not on me to disprove their existence. It's on the believer to prove their existence.
If you can't do it then gtfo.
Miserable fat
noun
1.
something believed; an opinion or conviction:
a belief that the earth is flat.
2.
confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:
a statement unworthy of belief.
3.
confidence; faith; trust:
a child's belief in his parents.
4.
a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith:
the Christian belief.
No where does it say that belief is acceptance of the truth. Is your reading comprehension really this poor are or you just being dishonest for the of it?
Confidence in the truth of something doesn't mean it's true, it means you have confidence that it's true. If you say you have confidence "someone will do something", it doesn't make it true "someone will do something", even though "they will do something" is what you have confidence in. You're playing word games and that's me giving you credit for understanding the meanings o these words/uses.
Do you really want to lodge this response or would you like to retract it?
Let me tell you what belief really is:
Get to know that diagram. Knowledge is belief of truth. You said yourself that God is unknowable. That would put your belief in the blue area, and you're comments would put a god's reality in the red area. The pinkish area would be absent, as belief and truth would never cross paths. That means your belief is unfounded since it doesn't reside at all in the truth.
Why do you think a possibility exists?
Who is talking about increasing possibility? I am merely stating that the possibility exists. You are the one trying to twist my words into saying that it increases the chance. Your need to be correct is causing you to twist something very simple into something more complicated. Let me state this again...
Didn't I just ask you that and didn't you just deny it? You created a possibility based on our knowledge. See my questions below about your keys and the purple unicorn.Because we do not know everything, the possibility of a god exists.
Going from zero to one is increasing a possibility. Since you said possibility exists "because we don't know" then you're implying if we did know a god doesn't exist, there would no longer be a possibility. How does our knowledge change the possibilities?Nowhere in that statement does it say "increasing" possibility.
I think you are equivocating the terms "might be" and "possible".
Might be simply means you don't know. Possible means it can happen if the conditions are right. Otherwise that which is possible might not be possible. That's a contradiction. Since you don't know what right conditions are for the existence of a god, how can you say it's possible? Instead, you should say "it might be possible" meaning you simply don't know.
So your keys couldn't have possibly been anywhere except where you left them, regardless of your knowledge of their location. Do you agree?And yes, if I left my keys in the car and forgot where I left them, would it be completely wrong of me to assume that someone stole the car that the keys were in and made off with the car and parked it in a random place making my keys be in a different place? No it wouldn't because I do not know where my keys are. What you are seeing is the complete difference in thinking styles of a believer and a non-believer. You are stuck with the notion of the keys being forgotten in the exact same place I would have forgotten them, while I focus on what could have happened to the keys while forgotten. You may think that my scenario is laughable, but then again, life was born on this planet due to "random chance".
I guess you don't agree. Possibilities don't increase based on lack of knowledge.The possibility that the keys could be in a different location than I presume to have left them exists because the keys were forgotten. Therefore, the possibility of god is relevant because we do not know all of the answers to the creation of the universe.
If it's possible your keys aren't in your car, that means out of so many sets of this event happening, there will be times when your keys are not in your car even if that's where they are. That's a contradiction so it cannot be true.
Let's say you know where you keys are but your wife doesn't. Does that change the possibility of where she might find them?
So you're saying there's at least a very remote chance that the keys in your car are not actually in your car, that you could find them in your sock drawer. Or you're saying that, if 100 billion instances occurred of your keys being in your car and you not knowing it, that the keys would be elsewhere eventually.Why do people buy lottery tickets when the odds are so terrible? Well, because there is a possibility to win it. You would say not to waste your money, yet a winner would laugh in your face.
No, you're struggling with simple concepts like belief, possibility and logical fallacies.Simple minded and ignorant huh? After that poorly thought up list? You appear to be the simple minded one because my spectrum of thought appears to be much broader than yours.
All this and you still haven't mentioned which civilization failed due to atheism.
Confidence in truth. CONFIDENCE IN TRUTH!!!noun
1.
something believed; an opinion or conviction:
a belief that the earth is flat.
2.
confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:
a statement unworthy of belief.
3.
confidence; faith; trust:
a child's belief in his parents.
4.
a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith:
the Christian belief.
No where does it say that belief is acceptance of the truth. Is your reading comprehension really this poor are or you just being dishonest for the of it?
Confidence in the truth of something doesn't mean it's true, it means you have confidence that it's true. If you say you have confidence "someone will do something", it doesn't make it true "someone will do something", even though "they will do something" is what you have confidence in. You're playing word games and that's me giving you credit for understanding the meanings o these words/uses.
Do you really want to lodge this response or would you like to retract it?
Let me tell you what belief really is:
Get to know that diagram. Knowledge is belief of truth. You said yourself that God is unknowable. That would put your belief in the blue area, and you're comments would put a god's reality in the red area. The pinkish area would be absent, as belief and truth would never cross paths. That means your belief is unfounded since it doesn't reside at all in the truth.
Why do you think a possibility exists?
Didn't I just ask you that and didn't you just deny it? You created a possibility based on our knowledge. See my questions below about your keys and the purple unicorn.
Going from zero to one is increasing a possibility. Since you said possibility exists "because we don't know" then you're implying if we did know a god doesn't exist, there would no longer be a possibility. How does our knowledge change the possibilities?
I think you are equivocating the terms "might be" and "possible".
Might be simply means you don't know. Possible means it can happen if the conditions are right. Otherwise that which is possible might not be possible. That's a contradiction. Since you don't know what right conditions are for the existence of a god, how can you say it's possible? Instead, you should say "it might be possible" meaning you simply don't know.
So your keys couldn't have possibly been anywhere except where you left them, regardless of your knowledge of their location. Do you agree?
I guess you don't agree. Possibilities don't increase based on lack of knowledge.
If it's possible your keys aren't in your car, that means out of so many sets of this event happening, there will be times when your keys are not in your car even if that's where they are. That's a contradiction so it cannot be true.
Let's say you know where you keys are but your wife doesn't. Does that change the possibility of where she might find them?
So you're saying there's at least a very remote chance that the keys in your car are not actually in your car, that you could find them in your sock drawer. Or you're saying that, if 100 billion instances occurred of your keys being in your car and you not knowing it, that the keys would be elsewhere eventually.
No, you're struggling with simple concepts like belief, possibility and logical fallacies.
All this and you still haven't mentioned which civilization failed due to atheism.
Let us examine that word confidence shall we?
con·fi·dence
/ˈkänfədəns/
noun
noun: confidence
the feeling or belief that one can rely on someone or something; firm trust.
"we had every confidence in the staff"
WOW!!! WHAT A SURPRISE!!! CONFIDENCE IS BELIEF!!!
Let us examine truth then shall we?
truth
/tro͞oTH/
noun
noun: truth
the quality or state of being true.
"he had to accept the truth of her accusation"
synonyms: veracity, truthfulness, verity, sincerity, candor, honesty; More
accuracy, correctness, validity, factuality, authenticity
"he doubted the truth of her statement"
antonyms: dishonesty, falseness
•that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
noun: the truth
"tell me the truth"
synonyms: what actually happened, the case, so; More
the gospel (truth), the honest truth
"it's the truth, I swear"
•fact(s), reality, real life, actuality
"truth is stranger than fiction"
antonyms: lies, fiction
•a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
plural noun: truths
"the emergence of scientific truths"
synonyms: fact, verity, certainty, cer ude; More
Wow... such a humdinger huh?
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